51 replies to this topic

[Quickshifter]

Barcelona has a very significant standing in the formula 1 season. It is the start of the European season and is the race where majority of the teams teams bring big upgrades. Barcelona sets the tone for the rest of the season. It is basically the benchmark regarding the competitiveness of the field and acts as a template for the rest of the season.

The nature of the circuit is such especially the technical aspect and the aerodynamic demand that you need to have a well balanced car with good downforce to br competitive.

I want to know from all of you guys as to how the pecking order will be in Barcelona after the addition of upgrades to various teams.

[Quickshifter]

My pecking order.

Mercedes
Ferrari
Williams
Red Bull
Lotus
Mclaren
Torro Rosso
Sauber
Force India
Manor

[GrumpyYoungMan]

My pecking order. (controversial)

Mercedes
Ferrari
Williams
Lotus

Mclaren

Sauber

Torro Rosso

Red Bull *
Force India
Manor

 

Sorry to all the Red Bull fans - But with the Renault PU...

[kimster89]

Barcelona setting the tone for the entire season is now a myth. Ferraris last double podium came in Barca 2013 and theres a certain Maldonado who got his only victory in Barcelona and nowhere else.

Edited by SophieB, 25 April 2015 - 18:59.

[Mart280]

Mercedes

Ferrari

Williams

Red Bull

Enstone

Torro Rosso

Sauber

Force India

Mclaren

Manor

[ConsiderAndGo]

Mercedes
Ferrari
Williams
Red Bull
Lotus
Torro Rosso
Sauber
Mclaren
Force India
Manor

Edited by ConsiderAndGo, 25 April 2015 - 08:17.

[Otaku]

Mercedes

Ferrari

Lotus 

Williams 

Red Bull

Sauber

McLaren

Toro Rosso

Force India

Manor

[HoldenRT]

It'll be interesting to see the order.. there's always some changes, it's almost like the season hits a reset button and it's like Melbourne all over again.  Some teams leave happy and some leave demoralised.

 

For example Ferrari could edge closer, or Merc could surge ahead out front.  Williams could close up to the front, or they could fall behind Redbull.. etc etc.  I don't like to make predictions but half the fun is not knowing and then finding out.

[YoungGun]

Mercedes/Ferrari
Mercedes/Ferrari
Williams
Red Bull
Lotus
Torro Rosso
Sauber
Mclaren
Force India
Manor

[GrumpyYoungMan]

Mercedes/Ferrari
Mercedes/Ferrari
Williams
Red Bull
Lotus
Torro Rosso
Sauber
Mclaren
Force India
Manor

Your first two is cheating... lol!

[LORDBYRON]

Thread is pointless as there is sill two weeks of dev to be done.

 

Honda could shock us by passing the midfield by going straight to 5/6 in the next race

[LORDBYRON]

Mercedes/Ferrari
Mercedes/Ferrari
Williams
Red Bull
Lotus
Torro Rosso
Sauber
Mclaren
Force India
Manor

Yes cheating is not allowed on here you know lol

[YoungGun]

Yes cheating is not allowed on here you know lol

 

How do I show a split? 1. Mercedes, 2. Ferrari, 3. Mercedes, 4. Ferrari

[Seanspeed]

Barcelona is just another track with its own unique demands and characteristics.

You can go well in Barcelona and then not go as well in Monaco or Canada, or vice versa or any combination. The 3 week break does typically give certain teams a chance to recover some if they've had a rushed time of things pre-season and into the early flyaway races, so we can see changes here that do represent true changes in the pecking order, but again, Barcelona is not necessarily 'typical' of the average F1 track nowadays. I would say it, like other tracks we've already come to, will provide more *indications* of the strengths and weaknesses of the cars, but can hardly be considered as a reliable guide as to the proper pecking order.

Thread is pointless as there is sill two weeks of dev to be done.

Honda could shock us by passing the midfield by going straight to 5/6 in the next race

This thread is about speculation. Obviously none of us *know* what the pecking order will be, whether there's 2 weeks of development still to be done or just 2 hours.

Edited by Seanspeed, 25 April 2015 - 10:08.

[chrisPB15]

Barcelona is just another track with its own unique demands and characteristics.

You can go well in Barcelona and then not go as well in Monaco or Canada, or vice versa or any combination. The 3 week break does typically give certain teams a chance to recover some if they've had a rushed time of things pre-season and into the early flyaway races, so we can see changes here that do represent true changes in the pecking order, but again, Barcelona is not necessarily 'typical' of the average F1 track nowadays. I would say it, like other tracks we've already come to, will provide more *indications* of the strengths and weaknesses of the cars, but can hardly be considered as a reliable guide as to the proper pecking order.

This thread is about speculation. Obviously none of us *know* what the pecking order will be, whether there's 2 weeks of development still to be done or just 2 hours.

 

How many shocks such as McLaren (with their two great drivers) jumping well up the field in Barcelona due to unleashing potential,  have we actually seen the likes of in the last decade or so?

 

Alonso himself has tended to be the provider of that extra something in challenging for the top places. I think it will be business as usual for the majority. Most of the hope for McLaren is based on them suddenly coming good when their test program has finally finished, it's not like they're a Brawn GP with a significant trick up their sleeve.

Edited by chrisPB15, 25 April 2015 - 11:00.

[realracer200]

Mercedes and Ferrari will battle for the win. other than that it is not possible to predict too much. (it depends on who brings better upgrades, solves the reability problems etc.)

[TheCaptain]

I don't think there will be a huge change - I expect McHonda to make a leap forward in terms of performance bringing them closer to Williams in qualifying, but probably will still be struggling with reliability.    Red Bull, with their budget you'd assume might be able to eek more out of their package than TR.    An updated Ferrari engine could benefit Sauber.      Therefore I will guess at a qualifying result of 

 

Merc

Ferrari

Williams

McHonda

Lotus

Sauber

Red Bull

Torro Rosso

Force India

Manor

[Button4life]

Mercedes

Ferrari

Williams

Red Bull

McLaren

Lotus

Sauber

Toro Rosso

Force India

Manor

[superdelphinus]

I think merc will stretch out a bit at the front, Williams may get slightly closer to Ferrari. Red bull will drop back further and mclaren will start battleing for the last q3 places

[NoSanityClause]

Clearly, there are only two scenarios possible, either:

 

McLaren

Mercedes
Ferrari
Williams
Red Bull
Lotus
Torro Rosso
Sauber
Force India
Manor 

 

...or not.

[Abranet]

Mercedes
Ferrari
Williams
Red Bull
Lotus
Torro Rosso
Sauber
Mclaren
Force India
Manor

Quoted to save typing  

[DutchQuicksilver]

I doubt much will change in the pecking order. Perhaps Sauber and Toro Rosso falling back a bit into the clutches of McLaren and Force India, as we saw flashes of that in Bahrain.

[KingTiger]

Mercedes

Ferrari

 

Williams

 

Red Bull-McLaren-Lotus-Toro Rosso-Sauber

 

Force India

Manor

[Quickshifter]

According to the quotes so far this is what i found out about the updates teams will be bringing for Barcelona.

 

Mercedes: Aerodynamic updates

 

Ferrari: Aerodynamic updates

 

Williams: Aerodynamic updates

 

Red Bull: Power Unit upgrade (under reliability criteria)+ Aerodynamic upgrades

 

Lotus: New nose

 

Mclaren: Power Unit upgrade (under reliability criteria)+ Aerodynamic upgrades

 

Torro Rosso: Power Unit upgrade (under reliability criteria)

 

Sauber: Nothing Confirmed

 

Force India: Nothing confirmed

 

Manor:Nothing confirmed.

Edited by Quickshifter, 25 April 2015 - 16:53.

[f1RacingForever]

Ferrari will win again. Merc will have to do an extra stop. Kimi will get his first win

[Jimisgod]

1. Mercedes
2. Ferrari
3. Red Bull (Ric)
4. Williams
5. Lotus (Gro)
6. Sauber
7. Torro Rosso
8. Red Bull (Kvy)
9. Lotus (Mal)
10. Mclaren
11. Force India
12. Manor

Edited by Jimisgod, 25 April 2015 - 18:18.

[DrF]

It depends very much on the weather and what Pirelli bring

[scheivlak]

It depends very much on the weather and what Pirelli bring

 

There might even be quite a difference between the pecking order in Q and the pecking order in the race.

[Redback]

Waay out on a limb here:

1. Mercedes
2. Ferrari
3. Red Bull
4. Williams
5. McLaren
6. Torro Rosso
7. Lotus
8. Sauber
9. Force India
10. Manor

The three teams with the most potential to improve are Red Bull, McLaren and TR.

 

If Renault can get off its lazy, incompetent derrière and deliver the promised reliability upgrades (so the motor doesn't need to be turned-down to Clio outputs the whole weekend) then both RB and TR will take a significant step forward.

 

Of course, almost equally likely is that Renault goes backward, all their motors explode (along with Horner, Marko & Mateschitz) and a new Franco-Prussian war ensues.

 

McLaren will probably benefit the most from the 3 week break and if the progress made so far is any indication, they could jump into the mid-pack.

[RedBaron]

Mercedes
Ferrari

Williams
McLaren

RedBull

Sauber
Lotus

 

Toro Rosso
Force India

 

Manor

[nuripoko]

Mercedes
Ferrari
 

Williams

RedBull

 

Lotus

McLaren

Sauber
Toro Rosso

 

Force India

 

 

 

Manor

[aditya-now]

Mercedes

Ferrari

Williams

Enstone

Mclaren

Torro Rosso

Red Bull

Sauber

Force India

Manor

[SCUDmissile]

Mercedes

Ferrari

Williams

Lotus

RedBull 

Toro Rosso

McLaren

Force India

Sauber

Manor

[HoldenRT]

It's not about the track though, it's about the fact that it's the first time they return to Europe and the first time they have 'major' upgrades on the car, that they've been preparing for since winter/Melbourne.

[surbjits]

Mercedes
Ferrari

Williams
McLaren

RedBull

Sauber
Lotus

 

Toro Rosso
Force India

 

Manor

 

i like your optimism

[aramos]

Ill be very surprised if Williams is still ahead of Red Bull at an aero dominated track with their major updates.

 

For me:

 

Mercedes

Ferrari

Red Bull

Williams

McLaren

Lotus

Toro Rosso

Sauber

Force India

Manor

[kpastri]

I think that the changes in the pecking order can come only from teams that will introduce advanced PUs, that means (maybe) FER, RB/STR and MCL

[krobinson]

It will depend on the upgrades - Ferrari might very well be faster with their new updates to the car and engine.

[TomNokoe]

Track layout will make a big difference

Merc
-
Ferrari
-
Red Bull
-
Williams
Toro Rosso
-
Lotus
Sauber
McHonda
-
Force India
-
Manor

[ollebompa]

I think RB will jump Williams, but realisticly we'll have to wait until Ferrari's 3:rd engine before their might be a change at the very top. So..

 

Merc

-

Ferrari

-

-

Red Bull

Williams

 

Then unchanged.

[RedBaron]

i like your optimism

 

I initially put McLaren at #2 behind Mercedes, but I felt I had to be at least slightly fanboy realistic. Instead of just fanboy cuckcoo. I'm yet to be completely realistic.

[Cesc]

Realistic one

 

1. Mercedes

2. Ferrari

3. Williams

4. Red Bull

5. Lotus

6. McLaren

7. Toro Rosso

8. Sauber

9. Force India

10. Manor

 

Optimistic

 

1. Mercedes

2. Williams

3. Ferrari

4. Red Bull & McLaren

6. Lotus

7. Toro Rosso

8. Sauber

9. Force India

10. Manor

Edited by Cesc, 26 April 2015 - 09:42.

[Baddoer]

Sauber was in Q3 multiple times with both cars. McLaren was none, i'm amazed so many people put them ahead.

Edited by Baddoer, 26 April 2015 - 13:16.

[Mc_Silver]

1. Mercedes

2. Ferrari

3. Williams

4. Red Bull

5. Lotus

6. McLaren

7. Sauber

8. Toro Rosso

9. Force India

10. Manor

[bub]

Mercedes

Ferrari

Williams

Lotus

Red Bull

Sauber

McLaren

Toro Rosso

Force India

Manor

 

This is my guess for the competitive order of the cars. The drivers could make a difference such as Force India's more experienced drivers beating Toro Rosso's rookies or McLaren's WDC's beating the Saubers etc.

Edited by bub, 26 April 2015 - 15:13.

[alframsey]

Honestly don't have a clue outside the top four who I believe will be Merc, Ferrari, Williams/Lotus.

Putting my neck in the line there I know

[HoldenRT]

Only two more weeks..

 

Feels like preseason all over again.

[Jon83]

I suspect it will be as it is now. Maybe some jostling between McLaren and FI but I doubt the pecking order will really change much. 

[Laura23]

All depends on how hard Mercedes are on the tyres. If they have worked on it then they'll dominate like last year. If they still haven't worked it out then they could have a race like 2013 where they just tumbled down the order after eating the rears alive. 

 

I think they'll dominate Spain though. The track suits good aero and they are still stronger than Ferrari in that area.

 

Monaco and Canada with the SuperSoft tyres though? Well that's when the season could start turning on it's head.

[charly0418]

Barelona is one of the most aero heavy races of the year

 

Then you get:

 

Monaco: free for all

Canada: Engine Power and braking is the key

Austria: Engine Power and traction

 

So what you see in Barcelona will be very different in the following 3 races