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[DutchQuicksilver]

Customer cars are attractive in the respect that they reduce the costs for the customer and amortize the cost for the constructor. It does mean that, in all likelihood, the customer will get a 1 year old car. Mind you, Force Inida would love to have a 1 year old Mercedes right about now.

Allowing customers to use the same spec cars as the constructor would be asking for trouble among the smller teams that choose to remain a constructor. A 2015 Williams shoudl be close enough to a 2014 Mercedes, but if two teams have the 2015 Mercedes expect a lot of complaining from Williams.

Another option is to allow customer teams only one car, rather than forcing two car teams. Their operations can be smaller and more focussed.

The problem with 1 year old cars is, of course, rules stability. Of which there has been precious little of late.

This could be solved by the price of a customer car of course. A 2014 Mercedes car should be more expensive than let's say a 2014 Williams car. And of course, customer car is a big word with many variables available. Many things can be adapted to a customer car. A team who wants to buy a customer car only get a chassis for example and has to develop the rest by themselves.

[scumbarma]

No fans over the age of 50.

Why?

[MP422]

Refueling and no more DRS.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

1. Increasing 100 liter fuel to 115 liter to make drivers able to push much harder.

2. Increasing current tires durability up to 30%, so drivers to be able to push much more.

3. Deleting titanium skid block.

4. Helping smaller teams by increasing their prize money.

5. Convincing Sebastian Vettel that his Italian is not good, and won't be good because he is not designed to speak Italian and driver can do his driving in an Italian team without speaking Italian and speaking Italian is an art and requires some essential essence that simply you can't study or learn or buy in the shop or even online like ebay 

Edited by RYARLE, 17 May 2015 - 18:11.

[anneomoly]

1. Increasing 100 liter fuel to 115 liter to make drivers able to push much harder.

2. Increasing current tires durability up to 30%, so drivers to be able to push much more.

3. Deleting titanium skid block.

4. Helping smaller teams by increasing their prize money.

5. Convincing Sebastian Vettel that his Italian is not good, and won't be good because he is not designed to speak Italian and driver can do his driving in an Italian team without speaking Italian and speaking Italian is an art and requires some essential essence that simply you can't study or learn or buy in the shop or even online like ebay 

 

I'll have to take your word on that one but...

 

The poor kid. He's trying his best.

[MatsNorway]

Would not bring a god damn thing. Id remove:

 

1. DRS

2. multi element wings/endplates

3. Pistons max/min limit

4. Carbonfiber allowed in suspension arms etc.

5. two or three gears.

6. Some weight, down to 500kg or something like that.

7. Remove the must have KERS rule

8. Removing the Turbo must be at X position etc.

Edited by MatsNorway, 17 May 2015 - 21:23.

[ClubmanGT]

CHIP'S ROAD CAR RELEVANT "Race on Sunday, buy on monday" FORMULA 1

 

 

1) production line engine 4 cylinder blocks, up to 3 liters, homologated to production cars that get at least 95% the MPG as the lowest competitor.

2) front wheel drive discretely separate ERS/electric system.  No limitations.

3) race on 87 octane pump fuel - literally.

4) 1982 wheelbase/track/tire size: tire compound must be of tire manufacturer's biggest selling formulation

5) no wings, only ground effects

 

I'm really on board with the 4 cylinder idea. Could be a chance to leverage out the infamous 'world engine' idea to run in both single seaters and the WRC, which need a shot in the arm anyway. 

 

I'd keep wings but I'd revert to the 1990 Ferrari level of elements, which from memory was one fixed plane as at nose level and then a second plane that was adjustable. Front wings that look like the laser towers on the Death Star are ridiculous and rendering all the previous aero revisions null and void. 

[genespleen]

Ferrous brake discs-- lengthen the braking zone.

[Wuzak]

Ferrous brake discs-- lengthen the braking zone.

 

The braking zone is dictated by the tyre grip, not the brake material.

[ronsingapore]

1)      Allow teams to use whatever engines and chassis they like; doesn’t matter if it is V6/V8/V10/V12 or hybrid engines; so long as all teams manufacture the engines and chassis completely on their own. This would result in only large car manufacturers and financially strong sports car manufacturers to participate; they tend to have stronger and more liquid cash flow and would have longer staying power, rather than the small start-up style teams of the 1980s and 1990s that eventually went bankrupt

 

2)      Allow teams to source their tyres from whatever suppliers they prefer; lift all restrictions on tyre rules and technology

 

3)      Completely ban the practice of ‘Pay Drivers’; make it absolutely illegal for teams to accept cash/funding/sponsorship deals from drivers; instead teams would have to source for funding and sponsorships on their own.  Also, restrict teams to recruit their drivers only from lower-formula series where car parity and driver performance is specifically emphasized, like GP2. This would result in drivers being recruited on merit rather than on cash

 

4)      Return the sale of television rights to Free-To-Air (FTA) channels in a big way. Make it world-wide. This would allow f1 to reach a wider scoop of people.

 

5)      Go embark on online media in a big way; Facebook, Twitter, Instagram; upload old races on youtube so that the younger generation can get hooked onto F1

[Knot]

1. Pit stop randomizer. Every ten laps, a computer rolls a number corresponding to a car on the grid. The lucky car must then pit within 1 lap.

2. Diesel engines of ten liter displacment now mandatory.

3. Three speed automatic transmissions.

4. Drum rear brakes, iron only.

5. Front wheel drive only.

[Orrelto]

1. STOP changing the technical regulations. Stable rules => tight field => exciting championships.

2. IF the regulations must be changed, increase mechanical grip and reduce downforce to help overtaking.

Edited by Orrelto, 18 May 2015 - 05:58.

[Paco]

What's all this nonsense of preventing evolutionary things into f1. Retro is only cool for a one off.. We'll never see h gated shifters again. Pretty soon we will never see them in road cars either. Why, simply because in the modern world, makes no sense in horrendous traffic enveloping most of the industrialized world where easily 90% of cars are sold that marketers are after. Ignoring green revolution. Again madness. F1 is about pushing bounders and tech to its limit, and rightfully so ass insane as some of it gets. Today's engines are the future, just costs need to be brought down and pu concept tweaked, not scraped. I'd love to see v8 or v10 done this way. He'll, even a diesel variant. Hybrid is the future..even better would be a hybrid - hydrogen f1 car. I say f1 isn't doing enough, trailors, facilities should all be using renewable way more with wind mills, solar at all tracks etc. What f1 needs is less restrictions so innovation can happy vs all new. Rid of fuel flow capacity n say here's x liters for the weekend for each car: have at it. Tires, here's x numbers of tires, whatever compound used in quali must be used in race too. Go at it. Ban aids like Drs. Non moveable wings period. No adjusting during a race. Ban brake bias changing during the race. Ban fuel flow changes during the race. Telemetry only from car to team, no reversing. Team can't change anything once car starts up. Increase number of engines, teams should be handed number of engines as their are gps for the season allotment once the 1st gp weekend starts. Get rid of tilke, now. Returned of gravel traps but better safer beaching for going off. Or huge penalty for going off line. Basically, 2 lines, the current system and 1 4ft further out and stop and go penalty plus 30sec stopage time if you even touch it after lap 1. No exception irregardless of reasoning even safety.

[ClubmanGT]

What's all this nonsense of preventing evolutionary things into f1. Retro is only cool for a one off.. We'll never see h gated shifters again. Pretty soon we will never see them in road cars either. Why, simply because in the modern world, makes no sense in horrendous traffic enveloping most of the industrialized world where easily 90% of cars are sold that marketers are after. Ignoring green revolution. Again madness. F1 is about pushing bounders and tech to its limit, and rightfully so ass insane as some of it gets. Today's engines are the future, just costs need to be brought down and pu concept tweaked, not scraped. I'd love to see v8 or v10 done this way. He'll, even a diesel variant. Hybrid is the future..even better would be a hybrid - hydrogen f1 car. I say f1 isn't doing enough, trailors, facilities should all be using renewable way more with wind mills, solar at all tracks etc. What f1 needs is less restrictions so innovation can happy vs all new. Rid of fuel flow capacity n say here's x liters for the weekend for each car: have at it. Tires, here's x numbers of tires, whatever compound used in quali must be used in race too. Go at it. Ban aids like Drs. Non moveable wings period. No adjusting during a race. Ban brake bias changing during the race. Ban fuel flow changes during the race. Telemetry only from car to team, no reversing. Team can't change anything once car starts up. Increase number of engines, teams should be handed number of engines as their are gps for the season allotment once the 1st gp weekend starts. Get rid of tilke, now. Returned of gravel traps but better safer beaching for going off. Or huge penalty for going off line. Basically, 2 lines, the current system and 1 4ft further out and stop and go penalty plus 30sec stopage time if you even touch it after lap 1. No exception irregardless of reasoning even safety.

 

1. Why shouldn't we see H gated shifters again? I don't buy cars without them, and if I can manage one in traffic then someone fresh out of karts can too. They're supposed to be professional drivers.

2. You want to reduce engine costs but then load a bunch of non-racing costs on teams like team trucks? There is already an incentive for teams to implement that if it's cost-effective - they're the one who pay for them as it it stands. If it was cheaper, they'd do it, otherwise this is just an extra cost. 

3. Fuel & Tyres - Would end up with very little practice running and cars just running at Mad Max speeds during a race. Will improve the race but hurt the gate takings if nothing is happening Fri/Sat. 

4. Some of your in-race stuff makes a lot of sense - fixed biases and getting rid of DRS etc.

5. Huge penalty for going off-line? Say goodbye to ambitious overtakes. Or possibly any kind of overtaking at all. 

6. Hydrogen hasn't hit mass-production yet because people still haven't figured out how to store it in a commercially viable way, yet you still want teams to use it. But you still insist on manuals having no fuure because they aren't relevant to road cars. You're trying to have this logic both ways. 

 

You proposed a set of have-at it rules and then went on to specify some intense restrictions on the racing and what teams can do 

[JRodrigues]

1 - Qualifying tires / 3 sets per qualifying session (only 2 qualifying stages of 15+15)

2 - Free tire choice for race

3 - Fuel consumptionlimit  (free choice of engine architecture)

4 - Refuelling back

5 - End penalty for helmets change 

[The Kanisteri]

1. Snow GPs

2. Diesel engines

3. Weight penalties along with success

4. Headlights

5. Ban stupid fans suggesting wings should be removed and burn fans who cry "in 60's it was all better" in bonfire.

[GTRacer]

This is why I feel that F1 asking fans what they want has always been a stupid idea, Everyone wants something different & some of the ideas are woudl taking F1 backwards rather than forwards which isn't the right way to go.

 

But for the fun of it i'll take part.

 

No refueling, No DRS.

Larger, More durable tyres on 18" rims with no mandatory pit stops, All 4 dry compounds at every race for teams to use as they want.

I'd keep current engine formula but allow more freedom on both engine & ERS development.

Smaller wings with less complex front wing's (No flaps, flick ups or winglets) with a move towards Ground effects.

Fairer distribution of money.

 

And 1 extra since I worked there for 10yrs.

Let the FOM TV Crew cover races how they want, Free of meddling from Bernie & commercial agreements. That would bring back F1 Digital+ style quality coverage.

Oh & i'd do something about teams blocking certain in-car angles. The rotating camera they have isn't used much now because nobody wants to run it as they perceive it to be an aero/weight disadvantage. Same reason the helmet-cam vanished, Can't get anyone to agree to run it. Teams also put stuff in the mirrors now so the camera they used to put in the mirrors can't be used as its hard to fit it in with the teams tyre temp sensors.

Edited by GTRacer, 20 May 2015 - 14:33.

[rodlamas]

1) No limitations on engine development except for costs. Bring whatever you have. One engine per weekend, with some regulation regarding a qualifying mode to increase power and speeds for one lap.

2) Two tyre manufacturers, 5 tyres per season per manufacturer. Choose a minimum of 2, a maximum of 3 per weekend. If you choose 3, one is a qualifying tyre, cannot be used at the race. Wider rear tires.

3) No limits on Gearbox gearing or gear ratios. Bring a 6 speeder, 7, 8, 9 or 15 gears. Whatever is best, go for it. Limits on costs.

4) Bring back traction control. It will stop people from using engine torque mimics in order to control traction and will lower costs.

5) Lower, lighter and wider chassis in order to improve speeds.

[GTRacer]

4) Bring back traction control. It will stop people from using engine torque mimics in order to control traction and will lower costs.

 

It would also have a negative affect on racing because everyone would be similar in terms of corner exits which then hinders the prospect of a car behind getting a better run out of the corner & having a go at overtaking.

 

I think good proof of that is CART in 2002, It had TC for that 1 season & the racing was significantly worse compared to both before & after & many of the drivers at the time were quite vocal in TC been a part of that as it removed the tiny mistakes that creates some good bits of racing & overtaking opportunities.

 

It would also wouldn't help with costs as teams woudl spend a fortune on improving there TC software just as they did the last time. And before someone comes back with a 'standard software' comment, Just with the current engine maps no 1 map will work on every car which is why there allowed to develop there own.

[Frank Tuesday]

1.  With a few exceptions (eg. engine timing), drivers must directly control any variable system on cars, without any input/override/feedback from computer.

2.  Eliminate safety car and replace with GPS/delta time system when on-track action needs to be neutralized.  Red flags for more serious incidents with restarts retaining earlier gaps.

3.  Lets see which team can make the best car, so as the other two largest performance differentiators, engine and tyres are single supplier. 

4.  Simplify/reduce aerodynamics, especially front wing. 

5.  More equitable distribution of team money. 

[milestone 11]

No fans over the age of 50.

Room 101

[Rasputin]

I'm content with the following three;

 

Screaming engines

 

 

Fat tires

 

 

and barn door rear wings

 

[Dick Dastardly]

Track Limits....I would also enforce a ruling that the white lines denote the edge of the track and that if crossed then the driver(s) will be penalised.

At Monaco, if you go over the white lines, you're brushing against the barriers.....at other circuits, they should imagine there is a "virtual" barrier just beyond the white lines, so should be penalised if exceeded..... 

[Atreiu]

Track Limits....I would also enforce a ruling that the white lines denote the edge of the track and that if crossed then the driver(s) will be penalised.

At Monaco, if you go over the white lines, you're brushing against the barriers.....at other circuits, they should imagine there is a "virtual" barrier just beyond the white lines, so should be penalised if exceeded..... 

 

Easy. Dismount the kerbs from corner exits and add strips of grass all aorund the circuits. Going off track would mean spins and/or lost time. As instant and fair penalty for failing to remain on track.

[quaint]

I'm content with the following three;

 

Screaming engines

 

They could use bicycle tyres (for all I'd care) with those engines. Oh boy

[Szoelloe]

1. MS

2. MH

3. AP

4. FA

5. Wheelbarrows

[chipmcdonald]

Easy. Dismount the kerbs from corner exits and add strips of grass all aorund the circuits. Going off track would mean spins and/or lost time. As instant and fair penalty for failing to remain on track.

 

 

They don't need to do that, they could easily bury a wire and stick a simple proximity sensor in the car and know where the car is and when it goes outside the line.  It would cost a pittance relative to F1 expenditures.

[Rasputin]

Oh I almost forgot, drivers without a corporate speak remote-control.

 

 

 

[mclarensmps]

Ban computers and calculators in the car design phase. 

[F1EC]

1) Free to Air TV

2) No ads

3) Free live timing 

4) Better/free official F1 website & app

5) Better facilities for fans at tracks - wifi, decent toilets, good transport, comfortable seating, audible & professional commentary, decent food and drink. If not, lower the prices. Either way, make it better value. 

 

I'm not bothered about the technical choices - I find it all fascinating, especially the racing strategy, whatever the regulations. But I do want access to lots of information during the race so I can appreciate the technical and strategic side of F1 as well as the skill of the drivers. At the moment it's really hard to get that at the track, and it's becoming increasingly hard/expensive to get it at home.