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[Ev0d3vil]

Thread discussion starts here. Totally peeved and disgusted.

[Diablobb81]

The amount of laughs I had made up for the rest of the race, weekend, season.

Edited by Diablobb81, 24 May 2015 - 13:59.

[Atreiu]

Inexcusable. Few laps to go, no problem with the tyres, no realistic overtaking.

 

There is not one mitigating factor. Lewis side of the garage fvcked up big time. Someone should be sacked.

[Ev0d3vil]

Was it Toto's decision? Dammit. Monaco is hard to overtake! If it was Monza then Lewis will have a chance to have a go.

[ATM]

Well, that was a royal f***-up, never saw that one coming...not that it was intentional, but really dumb call. 

Edited by ATM, 24 May 2015 - 14:02.

[RubalSher]

As furious as I am, Lewis had built over 20 seconds from Nico which bodes well for the races to come. So bring on Canada, this is gonna be nothing but a rant thread and there are no words that can describe the cockup from Merc.

[velgajski1]

Weird decision, one has to be extremely dumb especially when they knew Nico is not pitting. Or it was intentional to make it more interesting 

[ensign14]

I'm struggling to think of any logic for pitting someone with 12 laps to go and the safety car out.  This isn't NASCAR.  The gain is so minute.  Even if you could overtake, there is the risk of the pitstop going wrong, or even the race being red-flagged.

 

But when Hamilton, who is kinder on tyres than Rosberg, was on fresher tyres anyway, there is literally no reason whatsoever, short of a puncture, for pitting Hamilton.

 

It's one of those options for which there is no option.  Like deciding to do a u-turn on the motorway.  It's physically possible, but you would have to be literally insane to decide to do so.

 

Even as they did it it was impossible to understand.  But management.  Someone in management comes up with a cretinous decision, and the underdweebs just follow orders.  Nobody stands back and thinks "why?"

 

And it's cost a 1-2, let alone Hamilton a deserved, dominant win.

[peroa]

Well, yo never know what kind of deals Bernie and Toto are doing behind the scenes ...

[chrcol]

Inexcusable. Few laps to go, no problem with the tyres, no realistic overtaking.

 

There is not one mitigating factor. Lewis side of the garage fvcked up big time. Someone should be sacked.

thats the thing, there is one single strategist, so isnt a side of the garage.

 

merc have been saying for ages, they treat both the same.  so whats this?

[FormulaWin]

Lets be honest here - there isn''t really a strategy aspect to be discussed here is there?

 

Perhaps the 'Powers that be' decided that Hamilton disappearing off into the distance to win the Championship at a canter would be bad......

 

Whatever the reason, there is no doubt, in my mind, that this was done deliberately.

[Coral]

I'm so angry. I want to cry. Lewis drove a magnificent race, leading by 21 seconds, then Mercedes make an unbelievably stupid decision to pit him. I knew right away that that was the race lost. Why why why??? I just don't understand. Nico "won" a race he had no right to. I'm just shaking my head in absolute disbelief.

 

Poor Lewis. I just wish a could give him a big hug. Not that that would solve anything but...

 

I know it's only a sport but I just feel so upset right now.

[Massa_f1]

Mercedes have always been rubbish at strategy and things like that. It would show more if they did not have the fastest car.

[John Player]

dumbest decision ever

[pacificquay]

It was a mistake, these things happen. Team still won the race, no problem.

[chrcol]

Lets be honest here - there isn''t really a strategy aspect to be discussed here is there?

 

Perhaps the 'Powers that be' decided that Hamilton disappearing off into the distance to win the Championship at a canter would be bad......

 

Whatever the reason, there is no doubt, in my mind, that this was done deliberately.

 

probably right, f1 is artificial enough to make what you say believable.

[TheUltimateWorrier]

It's a fix.  Bernie's engineered this so that it further cements Lewis' status as 'the People's Champion'. Especially after those Nico and Seb comments....

[BigBadBless]

The thing is most times you can understand why the team made a wrong decision. But in this instance it is just totally inexplicable. There was absolutely no benefit to pitting him really, it's not like Nico and Vettel were on much fresher tyres and would be all over him after the safety car, and it's Monaco where passing is impossible. It's just totally weird. I really hope whoever is responsible for this decision loses their job and has it haunt them for the rest of their life. 

[Denaris]

Put James Vowles and a hungry Jeremy Clarkson in a room together, lock the door and come back 10 minutes later. Never speak about this incident again and move on to Canada.

[peroa]

Lets be honest here - there isn''t really a strategy aspect to be discussed here is there?

 

Perhaps the 'Powers that be' decided that Hamilton disappearing off into the distance to win the Championship at a canter would be bad......

 

Whatever the reason, there is no doubt, in my mind, that this was done deliberately.

Well, it keeps the WDC close with Vet in the mix, suits them pretty well...

[Jimisgod]

Did they do it for the SC or did the SC just come at the wrong time?

[keshav]

Enjoyed it quite a bit. Just after Lewis signed the deal.

[Nigol]

Beyond ****ing dumb. Can't stop swearing.

 

And by the way, 10 pts lead instead of 27.

Edited by Nigol, 24 May 2015 - 14:24.

[Atreiu]

It was a mistake, these things happen. Team still won the race, no problem.

 

These thins don't happen.

How often does the leader throw the win away with an extra stop and a few laps to go?

[HoldenRT]

In the long run it won't matter much.  It was a shame for Lewis (because it's been so long since he has won in Monaco and he deserved it).

 

But it's a shame that such a small thing can be the biggest talking point of the race.  In a few races it'll be forgotten.  Lewis has a strangehold on the championship.

 

The actual race itself was awful.

[wonk123]

Ricciardo was able to pass Kimmi, Lewis wasn't able to pass Seb

[Massa]

What this miskates show it's Mercedes is under pressure. A really dominant team don't do silly mistake like that while Ferrari was not pressuring them; nobody at Ferrari were in the pit lane waiting a car. i think they are flat out right now, Malaysia with the pit stop under the SC, Bahrein when they compromised the brake for speed, and now this silly mistake with Hamilton.

[James69]

This was not a mistake this was incompetence, the head strategy guy must get the sack for this. Unforgivable error when it was obvious it was so stupid.

[Lemans]

Lewis's pouty face after the race.

The martyr!

[jimmonson]

Utter utter rubbish result .  

Everyone could see Lewis deserved the win . Took Pole and then went on to dominate the race completely . Could only be beaten by his Team's very strange decision to pit from the lead , close to the end of the race and dumped him even behind Vettel .    Says a lot about Rosberg that he could celebrate such a"win" 

 Kudos to Lewis for showing some dignity despite the shambles 

[GoldenColt]

There was simply no need for a pitstop, simply no need at all. 

 

He was robbed and the haters are having a good time but we'll see who'll be celebrating at the end of the season. 

[f1fastestlap]

They knew what they were doing...20s gap is not enough to pit and ferrari wasn't even out so that wasn't the reason either...

[ATM]

I don't think anyone can calculate this at such a small level. Let's remember that Hamilton was slightly delayed into pits release due to a Sauber. How much was that, maybe half a sec? without that, he would probably had come out in front of Vettel and who knows where Rosberg would have been? I know, coulda, woulda, shoulda, but I really don't think it's a conspiracy theory, it's just a hugely idiotic call and that's it. 

[Brandz07]

The thing that annoys me the most is that the media are going to try and claim this is a close championship, or it's going to be a close one; Nico's been dominated so far (apart from Barcelona). Today he was 20 seconds back at arguably his best track. So frustrating. 

[LuckyStrike1]

Glad they provided some absolutely fantastic entertainment in an otherwise dull race. Laughs of the season. 

[pacificquay]

Mega lolz at people saying someone should be sacked! Mercedes still won the race!

[RedBaron]

Lewis made the call it seems, but he got no correct information from his crew. They should have clarified it, that's their job.

 

Poor show.

[Wheels23]

It was stupid that it was so funny. For me I can't help but laugh. If it happened to any of the other drivers that I like, I would still laugh. It is just so damn funny.

 

Poor Lewis though. 

[kosmos]

Honest mistake, it happens, looks like they didn't expect the speed difference between cars running behind the VSC and the SC, probably they didn't expect the SC to be out.

[Ev0d3vil]

There's still many races available. Lewis will be the one celebrating during November  Stay positive.

[velgajski1]

I don't think anyone can calculate this at such a small level. Let's remember that Hamilton was slightly delayed into pits release due to a Sauber. How much was that, maybe half a sec? without that, he would probably had come out in front of Vettel and who knows where Rosberg would have been? I know, coulda, woulda, shoulda, but I really don't think it's a conspiracy theory, it's just a hugely idiotic call and that's it. 

 

But even if gap was 30s instead of 20s it would still be a wrong decision to pit Lewis if Nico is not pitting.

[Raikkonen94]

I really feel bad for Lewis, this victory should have been his. I can't imagine what the guys at the pitwall were thinking when they brought him in.

[James69]

Mega lolz at people saying someone should be sacked! Mercedes still won the race!

and what about the next time when it happens and it costs them a win or a wc? this level of incompetence should not be tolerated.

[ensign14]

 I really hope whoever is responsible for this decision loses their job and has it haunt them for the rest of their life. 

 

So you are suggesting that Mercedes should loosen their Vowels?

[chrcol]

I don't think anyone can calculate this at such a small level. Let's remember that Hamilton was slightly delayed into pits release due to a Sauber. How much was that, maybe half a sec? without that, he would probably had come out in front of Vettel and who knows where Rosberg would have been? I know, coulda, woulda, shoulda, but I really don't think it's a conspiracy theory, it's just a hugely idiotic call and that's it. 

 

the delay for one second causing the loss of position shows how stupid it was, a one second margin is nothing in a pit stop, so many things can go wrong.

 

The most likely reason seems its to do with bernie, the delayed SC restart, the unneeded SC (virtual was enough), and the obviously deliberate pitstop.

 

Its possible the intention was to simply close the gap and to make the end fo the race artifically more exciting, but make no mistake this was so stupid it was clearly deliberate.

[smitten]

Ricciardo was able to pass Kimmi, Lewis wasn't able to pass Seb

 

Ricciardo could afford to play dodgems, Lewis couldn't.

[Massa]

Ok, so it was Lewis decision, but the pitwall didn't tell him the right information. But it was Lewis decision to pit under the SC

[FormulaWin]

To anyone that thinks it was 'just a mistake' - what possble reason can there be for the pit-stop?

 

There was no threat from the cars behind - Ferrari weren't even out in the pitlane.......yet the decision is taken to pit the leader but not the second place guy?

 

Come on guys....this is the biggest fix i've seen in a long while.....blatant as it was...

[PoliFanAthic]

It was the only thing that made this race entertaining - ideally, I would really enjoy the sort of tension we had in the last 10 laps every other race or so. Or even the excitement of Verstappen pressing Grosjean so closely, which shows what happens when drivers actually have to push and DRS doesn't help out.

I wouldn't worry for Hamilton, he's dominating Nico almost every race. Both of Rosberg's wins this season have been flukey, so just keeping focus should allow Ham the championship. It's perhaps time for him to show a more mature face, not sulk every time things don't go his way. He's 30 by now.

[Gary Davies]

Ecclestone will be happy. Lots of luverly headlines in prospect.