90 replies to this topic

[Kristian]

When did Coke say this? Because they sponsored cars in the Camel GT Series and races in the Winston Cup Series.

 

If a product is legal, it ought to be legal to advertise it.

 

I remember reading it in the early 2000s I think. I'm not even going to try and find the source, this is just my memory. Maybe it was Pepsi or McDonalds or something then - I know it was one of the big corporations. But I am 100% sure on the sentiment if not which company. 

Edited by Kristian, 28 May 2015 - 13:45.

[SealTheDiffuser]

I want more coffee related sponsors in F1.

 

100% Robusta on the McLaren maybe?

[FullThrottleF1]

Starbucks Sauber F1 team?

[Talisman]

I want more coffee related sponsors in F1.

100% Robusta on the McLaren maybe?

Segafredo?

[SealTheDiffuser]

LAVAZZA

[CARLO55AINZ]

Drinking PETRONAS is bad. Ban Mercedes-Benz.

[kevinracefan]

Maybe Todt can also start a campaign to help women who get beaten the **** out of or to death by their acohol happy husbands/boyfriends or are harassed by drunk public, the kids who are poorly fed because their drunk parents use all the money for their drinks or the kids who are born with anomalies thanks to their addicted mum.
It's not really his job is it? But I can see the EU pushing for alcohol advertisement bans just like they did with tobacco. I give it 10 years and it will happen. Personally I don't care much what they do, but I do not drink anymore because alcohol ****ed up my health - well, I did, with alcohol.

not everybody screws up their life with alcohol... MOST DON'T!!!

so.. why is it OK to legislate against alcohol when MOST have zero problem coping with life while still enjoying it??

It's not fair to the majority of people to regulate something because THE MINORITY CAN'T HANDLE IT..

use Darwinism to settle it..

[Dan333SP]

They should force grid girls to drink a large bottle of whatever alcohol is being advertised while the cameras watch. Grid girls gone wild. That'd please a lot of people on this forum.

 

Serious comment- This is absurd. If there's no local or international ban on it, let them advertise whatever they want.

[quaint]

And, as for the sponsorship, leave it alone. Ban things or don't, don't ban the promotion of things that you don't ban.

 

I don't really like the idea of banning substances that people choose to use, but if we must take that road, we should go further. Driving an F1 car is, still, statistically speaking, pretty dangerous. Should we improve “our” health and just ban that nonsense outright? It's not like it's something necessary for living.

[Atreiu]

The poll options are stupid.

There is no compelling reason to ban its advertising.

[FerrariV12]

If a product is legal, it ought to be legal to advertise it.

 

Completely sums up my belief on this as well.

[Sash1]

not everybody screws up their life with alcohol... MOST DON'T!!!

so.. why is it OK to legislate against alcohol when MOST have zero problem coping with life while still enjoying it??

It's not fair to the majority of people to regulate something because THE MINORITY CAN'T HANDLE IT..

use Darwinism to settle it..

 

I personally do not think that a ban on advertisement will change much, as you'd need largescale cultural changes to really make an effort. There may be a minority with problems, but the impact of alcohol related problems are still quite big. You don't have to been an alcoholic to be a victim in some way of alcohol. That can range from an alcohol related traffic accident (1/3th of all deaths are alcohol related) to living in a family as a kid and suffering from alcohol related abuse. In some countries a bigger problem than elsewhere.

 

 

http://www.niaaa.nih...-and-statistics

 

Alcohol-Related Deaths:

• Nearly 88,0009 people (approximately 62,000 men and 26,000 women10) die from alcohol-related causes annually, making it the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States.9
   
• In 2013, alcohol-impaired driving fatalities accounted for 10,076 deaths (30.8 percent of overall driving fatalities).11
   

Economic Burden:

• In 2006, alcohol misuse problems cost the United States $223.5 billion.12
   
• Almost three-quarters of the total cost of alcohol misuse is related to binge drinking.12
   

Global Burden:

• In 2012, 3.3 million deaths, or 5.9 percent of all global deaths (7.6 percent for men and 4.0 percent for women), were attributable to alcohol consumption.13
   
• Alcohol contributes to over 200 diseases and injury-related health conditions, most notably alcohol dependence, liver cirrhosis, cancers, and injuries.14 In 2012, 5.1 percent of the burden of disease and injury worldwide (139 million disability-adjusted life years) was attributable to alcohol consumption.13
   
• Globally, alcohol misuse is the fifth leading risk factor for premature death and disability; among people between the ages of 15 and 49, it is the first.15
   

Family Consequences:

• More than 10 percent of U.S. children live with a parent with alcohol problems, according to a 2012 study.16

 

 

What I call my 2nd home country is one of the worst on the planet. Men, on average, die before they are 60. Mostly related to alcohol related health issues and traffic accidents. Domestic abuse, mostly under influence, is huge. Most of my friends have lost their fathers or can tell stories about how their mum was beaten by a drunk father. I was in a Korsakov clinic for my job and the amount of young ****ed up people there was shocking.

 

It is not a small problem.

 

But again. It is something deeply rooted in culture. No alcohol advertisement ban will stop French from drinking wine or Russians from drinking vodka. Even when you ban alcohol, people will start to make it themselves (it is not so difficult). Or they will move to natural and chemical drugs. The problem is the average human being, who, for whatever reason, is always searching for a substance to blow their mind into another reality. Nobody advertises cocaine, heroine, xtc and stuff, yet still people use it on surprisingly large scale.

 

The above does not apply to the moderate home drinker who enjoys the taste of wine, good beer or spirits.

 

Genetic manipulation could help. And indeed, nature does that as well, we call it Darwinism.

[oetzi]

I don't really like the idea of banning substances that people choose to use, but if we must take that road, we should go further. Driving an F1 car is, still, statistically speaking, pretty dangerous. Should we improve “our” health and just ban that nonsense outright? It's not like it's something necessary for living.

I already suggested banning roads.

[Fatgadget]

When did Coke say this? Because they sponsored cars in the Camel GT Series and races in the Winston Cup Series.
 
If a product is legal, it ought to be legal to advertise it.

That is simplistic thinking.A whole lot of factors are interwoven into what,how etc anything is advertised especially on mainstream media...These days junk food like sweets and crips and fizzy drinks are effectively banned on child related tv shows and rightly so if you ask me. As for booze related adverts on racing cars..Im on the fence on this one...If its all about the money then yeah.However if its about beer is good for you and your image, Im not so sure!

[Paco]

Islam influence, I saw it coming the day they started rack in Muslim countries.

[SealTheDiffuser]

Islam influence, I saw it coming the day they started rack in Muslim countries.

 

?

 

they won't stop marketing in F1 Todt said

[KWSN - DSM]

I personally do not think that a ban on advertisement will change much, as you'd need largescale cultural changes to really make an effort. There may be a minority with problems, but the impact of alcohol related problems are still quite big. You don't have to been an alcoholic to be a victim in some way of alcohol. That can range from an alcohol related traffic accident (1/3th of all deaths are alcohol related) to living in a family as a kid and suffering from alcohol related abuse. In some countries a bigger problem than elsewhere.

 

 

http://www.niaaa.nih...-and-statistics

 

 

I am of the already stated opinion, that legal products should not be blocked form advertisement. If the various Governments find them bad, then ban them all together.

 

The statistics from the link are obviously interesting, eyeopening, sad, what ever we chose to label them with. In no way shape or form do I want to belittle them, death and cause of death is obviously a matter which should be addressed somehow by society. However most times when I read this type of statistics I am questioning them to a degree.

 

Alcohol kills 'x'%

Smoking kills 'x'%

Second hand smoke kills 'x'%

Over-medication kills 'x'%

Hard drugs abuse kills 'x'%

Prescription drug abuse kills 'x'%

Dietary (obesity epidemic) reasons kills 'x'%

Accidents (all types not caused by above) kills 'x'%

Hereditary disease kills 'x'%

'what ever I can not come up with now' kills 'x'%

 

I expect when all of 'x'% is added, more than 100% die from bad choices, and no one just die.

 

[Ross Stonefeld]

There's already an internal 'ban' in place. A lot of alcohol companies, including some of the big ones, stay away from 'action sports' and motorsport is number 1 on their Do Not Sponsor list. Furthermore, some simply have internal policies of sponsoring events rather than teams(like Heineken) so the opportunities are even further restricted.

[FerrariV12]

Islam influence, I saw it coming the day they started rack in Muslim countries.

 

To be fair at least they're consistent - illegal to sell*, illegal to consume*, illegal to advertise, illegal to spray on the podium....

 

...speaking of which, any ban would surely have to mean unbranded champagne on the podium? Or just get rid of the tradition altogether? Can't have those impressionable watchers feel the urge to neck a bottle of the stuff and go for a drive after watching the drivers spray it all over themselves.

 

*Unless you have some foreigners permit or something, don't know the full details.

[Jon83]

I think F1 teams need all the sponsorship they can get at the moment.

[Atreiu]

I think F1 teams need all the sponsorship they can get at the moment.

 

Definitely.

[SPBHM]

I voted good simply because I don't see baning the alcohol sponsorship on F1 helping anything, and in my country we also have alcohol ads on TV anyway

 

still, I always find it a "strange" choice when you consider how bad alcohol + driving is...

[tifosi]

I picked Good I drink it, but only because the correct answer was ignored.

 

Good!  It is a legal product and as such has every right to advertise.

[PayasYouRace]

Not a bad plan, but it would be much safer to just ban roads.

 

 

I already suggested banning roads.

 

 

It's OK. We're in 2015. Where we are, we don't need roads.

[oetzi]

It's OK. We're in 2015. Where we are, we don't need roads.

I'll ban information superhighways if you're not careful.

[Rasputin]

Why stop ast tobacco and alcohol, everybody knows that koffein is a serios killer and that cellular phones can make you stupid?

[BootLace]

If you ban alcohol advertising on the basis of drinking and driving, don't you have to ban racing on the basis of driving and speeding.

[turssi]

Does Kimi count as alcohol advertising?

He counts as an argument against drinking.

I say let's allow both (Kimi and alcohol advertising)!

[ninetyzero]

Alcohol should stay. I'm sick of people talking about booze like it's the same as tobacco when it really isn't; Tobacco is bad for you in any quantity, this is  proven fact, so banning the advertising of it is fair enough (I say that as a smoker). But alcohol is not inherently bad for you in the same way as tobacco is, it's only bad if you abuse it. Plus it's necessary for dealing with the pain of existence...

[Tapz63]

If you ban alcohol advertising on the basis of drinking and driving, don't you have to ban racing on the basis of driving and speeding.

First they came for the tobacco advertisements, and I did not speak out, because I was not a tobacco advertisement.

Then they came for the alcohol advertisements, and I did not speak out, because I was not a alcohol advertisement.

Then they came for the Je- where am I going with this?

[Paco]

I couldn't answer simply because the options of the pole aren't as relatable as to the smoking ban.

1st... Is this even coming up due to the number of races in Muslim countries that ban it's advertising.
2nd.. Is this coming up due to broadcasting in Muslim countries not happy with races that clearly showing alcohol advertising when races taking places in other countries.
3rd.. Is this honestly about safety of drinking and driving, what happened to the whole designated driver program. Just because you drink doesn't mean you can't be a responsible drinker. Hell, in the USA you can buy it at a gas station..
4th.. Unlike smoking which not only kills the direct smoker, but the practice of smoking also directly effect everyone nearby with 2nd hand smoke.. Thereby effecting non smokers health. One person drinking doesn't poison the whole bar, restaurant etc with 2nd hand alcohol.
5th.. Alcohol ads don't target/attract children like smoking ones often did ie Marlborough man, camel etc.

Yadda Yadda.

Edited by Paco, 31 May 2015 - 02:08.

[f1RacingForever]

i dont agree with alcohol advertising but if it keeps a steady flow of cash for teams then that needs to be considered.

[Tsarwash]

Yes they are.

 

Only sproting events are allowed to have alcohol ads.

Not at all. Alcohol advertising is legal in the EU. If alcohol advertising was banned than I wouldn't be able to advertise my beer festivals. Where did you get the idea that it was banned ? 

[Tsarwash]

I personally do not think that a ban on advertisement will change much, as you'd need largescale cultural changes to really make an effort. There may be a minority with problems, but the impact of alcohol related problems are still quite big. You don't have to been an alcoholic to be a victim in some way of alcohol. That can range from an alcohol related traffic accident (1/3th of all deaths are alcohol related) to living in a family as a kid and suffering from alcohol related abuse. In some countries a bigger problem than elsewhere.

 

 

http://www.niaaa.nih...-and-statistics

 

Alcohol-Related Deaths:

• Nearly 88,0009 people (approximately 62,000 men and 26,000 women10) die from alcohol-related causes annually, making it the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States.9
   
• In 2013, alcohol-impaired driving fatalities accounted for 10,076 deaths (30.8 percent of overall driving fatalities).11
   

Economic Burden:

• In 2006, alcohol misuse problems cost the United States $223.5 billion.12
   
• Almost three-quarters of the total cost of alcohol misuse is related to binge drinking.12
   

Global Burden:

• In 2012, 3.3 million deaths, or 5.9 percent of all global deaths (7.6 percent for men and 4.0 percent for women), were attributable to alcohol consumption.13
   
• Alcohol contributes to over 200 diseases and injury-related health conditions, most notably alcohol dependence, liver cirrhosis, cancers, and injuries.14 In 2012, 5.1 percent of the burden of disease and injury worldwide (139 million disability-adjusted life years) was attributable to alcohol consumption.13
   
• Globally, alcohol misuse is the fifth leading risk factor for premature death and disability; among people between the ages of 15 and 49, it is the first.15
   

Family Consequences:

• More than 10 percent of U.S. children live with a parent with alcohol problems, according to a 2012 study.16

 

 

What I call my 2nd home country is one of the worst on the planet. Men, on average, die before they are 60. Mostly related to alcohol related health issues and traffic accidents. Domestic abuse, mostly under influence, is huge. Most of my friends have lost their fathers or can tell stories about how their mum was beaten by a drunk father. I was in a Korsakov clinic for my job and the amount of young ****ed up people there was shocking.

 

It is not a small problem.

 

But again. It is something deeply rooted in culture. No alcohol advertisement ban will stop French from drinking wine or Russians from drinking vodka. Even when you ban alcohol, people will start to make it themselves (it is not so difficult). Or they will move to natural and chemical drugs. The problem is the average human being, who, for whatever reason, is always searching for a substance to blow their mind into another reality. Nobody advertises cocaine, heroine, xtc and stuff, yet still people use it on surprisingly large scale.

 

The above does not apply to the moderate home drinker who enjoys the taste of wine, good beer or spirits.

 

Genetic manipulation could help. And indeed, nature does that as well, we call it Darwinism.

You forgot to mention the enjoyment that billions of people take from alcohol. You have a personal problem with it, fine. But please don't try to take the enjoyment away from others because you have a problem. 

[chipmcdonald]

Smoking is one thing - although it seems a bit ludicrous that the man in charge of advertising a product that is addictive and kills you is now lauded as the savior of Ferrari.

 

First, Lewis got champagne on a grid girl and that was The Absolute Worst Thing Ever, then we had to get rid of grid girls because... I'm not sure, and now alcohol advertising on a race car is going to be so compelling we're all going to go out drunk and drive?

 

Who is coming up with this stuff?  Seems like an agenda is afoot...  is F1 sharia compliant?

Edited by chipmcdonald, 31 May 2015 - 01:46.

[chipmcdonald]

If you ban alcohol advertising on the basis of drinking and driving, don't you have to ban racing on the basis of driving and speeding.

 

 

Well, we don 't HAVE to go fast to have a car race now, do we....? 

 

No grid girls, no champagne on the podium, no alcohol advertisement on the cars - this is about something else.

[Paco]

Well, we don 't HAVE to go fast to have a car race now, do we....?

No grid girls, no champagne on the podium, no alcohol advertisement on the cars - this is about something else.

Not difficult to see what.. Appealing to the Middle East money...pretty soon drivers won't be allowed to cut their hair or beard etc. women will only be allowed to sit in designated stands, away from men Yadda Yadda, outside of appeasing to Muslim sensibilities, I don't see how this even a point if discussion or even brought up.

Edited by Paco, 31 May 2015 - 02:12.

[ViMaMo]

@ poll results. Not quite expected.

[Talisman]

Not difficult to see what.. Appealing to the Middle East money...pretty soon drivers won't be allowed to cut their hair or beard etc. women will only be allowed to sit in designated stands, away from men Yadda Yadda, outside of appeasing to Muslim sensibilities, I don't see how this even a point if discussion or even brought up.

The only person going on about Muslims is you.

The agenda is clear and someone already posted a link to it earlier in this thread. This is part of a campaign to discredit Todt in his new role with the UN.

[AlexS]

In this case the puritans are hand to hand with political correction(a Marxist tactic)

 

This has nothing to do with Todt.

This came from long ago.

[CoolBreeze]

Well, it's easier to get drunk, get behind the wheel and either be killed or kill somebody, versus smoking a box of ciggies everyday. For me, like it or not, alcohol exists, and i think what the FIA can do is educate people, on the dangers of alcohol, but at the same time promote a good day of consuming it. 

 

I stopped drinking about 5 years ago, yet i still hangout at pubs, bars, and clubs, surrounded by friends who drink moderately. I don't have anything against alcohol ads, and i don't have any issues hanging out in those areas as well. 

 

Just like i don't see the point of banning tobacco ads too. They allow Mcdonalds to sponsor the Olympics and sometimes the English FA Cup, but yet they ban tobacco ads, and now are thinking of banning alcohol too in F1?

 

Sounds stupid to me.