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[kosmos]

 

 In a survey conducted by 'AutoBild Motorsport'.

 

Lewis Hamilton 35 points

Sebastian Vettel  22 points

Fernando Alonso  12 points

Nico Rosberg.  1 point

 

Team principals had to pick the best 3 drivers (1st- 5 points, 2nd- 3 points and 3rd- 1 point), dirvers from their own team can't be voted.

 

Five of the ten team bosses put Hamilton on rank 1, including Maurizio Arrivabene of Ferrari. Claire Williams voted Hamilton too.

 

 

http://www.rtl.de/cms/sport/formel-1/news/umfrage-hamilton-top-rosberg-hinter-vettel-und-alonso-499b1-3604-78-2326877.html

 

 

 

I don't know German, maybe I missed something but I don't think they have the full list on the site.

Edited by kosmos, 29 May 2015 - 08:12.

[Fisico54]

Not sure how it is surprising that only 1 voter rated NR over LH

[f1supreme]

why are you suprised about nico only getting 1 point.he's been dominated in most of the last 14 races.and in monaco,he was alot slower than lewis,and didnt deserve to win.and fernando keeps making bad decisions chasing glory,and i would pick lewis to beat him again.

[bub]

Surprised the Ferrari boss didn't pick a Ferrari driver.

[learningtobelost]

Surprised the Ferrari boss didn't pick a Ferrari driver.

 

The rules stated that he couldn't. From the OP:

 

 

 

In the survey each team boss awarded five points to his top riders, three for the number 2 and one for the 3rd choice. Driver available from the team were not allowed to be called.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

It is obvious that the votes mostly reflect 2014 and 2015 seasons with less attention to V8 era.

[CountDooku]

I'm VERY surprised Alonso isn't 2nd and a lot closer to Lewis.

 

Also, wasn't there a poll done like this with TPs recently that put Vettel on top?

[bub]

The rules stated that he couldn't. From the OP:

 

Oh, thanks. Should have read it properly 

[Jimisgod]

I notice a serious lack of the guy who beat Vettel comprehensively.

 

Alonso is way too low, too.

[JAW97]

It is obvious that the votes mostly reflect 2014 and 2015 seasons with less attention to V8 era.

If that were the case, I don't think Vettel would have 22 points to Ricciardo's 0. I'd doubt if he would be ahead of Alonso tbh.

[bub]

I'm VERY surprised Alonso isn't 2nd and a lot closer to Lewis.

 

Also, wasn't there a poll done like this with TPs recently that put Vettel on top?

 

Vettel being ahead of Alonso is very surprising after what happened last year

Edited by bub, 29 May 2015 - 08:44.

[ZuTiMa]

This "survey" is a joke!

 

How can Vettel be 2nd? based on what? 

 

Definitely not his performance last year in the RBR ... can it be based on just the last 6 races? (cant be?)

 

This is not the annual TP voting for best driver is it? Dont they do that at year end?

 

 

 

Edit:

See now its the  'AutoBild Motorsport' survey not Autosport?  

Edited by ZuTiMa, 29 May 2015 - 08:32.

[CountDooku]

Vettel being ahead of Alonso is very surprising after what happened last year?

 

I'm confused as to what you mean.

[redraven9]

It's team principals voting for the car. If Alonso was in the Mercedes, we would be the first. In fact, I'm surprised that Alonso is third. Has Hamilton ever been in a bad car?

Edited by redraven9, 29 May 2015 - 08:29.

[ZuTiMa]

I'm confused as to what you mean.

 

 

Just think back to Ricciardo vs Vettel at RBR .... the rest speaks for it self lol

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

If that were the case, I don't think Vettel would have 22 points to Ricciardo's 0. I'd doubt if he would be ahead of Alonso tbh.

Votes always get effected by competitive cars. That was what I meant. In 2015, Sebastian Vettel had the chance to be competitive again with a competitive car and that is the reason IMO.

[ZuTiMa]

Ahhh ... its a rubbish list here is correct one!

 

AUTOSPORT TEAM PRINCIPALS' TOP 10 2014

1. LEWIS HAMILTON (194 points)
2. FERNANDO ALONSO (155 points)
3. DANIEL RICCIARDO (135 points)
4. VALTTERI BOTTAS (119 points)
5. NICO ROSBERG (115 points)
6. FELIPE MASSA (55 points)
7. SEBASTIAN VETTEL (53 points)
8. JULES BIANCHI (44 points)
9. JENSON BUTTON (40 points)
10. DANIIL KVYAT (28 points)

 

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/117125

Edited by ZuTiMa, 29 May 2015 - 08:34.

[redraven9]

Votes always get effected by competitive cars. That was what I meant. In 2015, Sebastian Vettel had the chance to be competitive again with a competitive car and that is the reason IMO.

This. Although McLaren is far from competitive, haha

[CountDooku]

Just think back to Ricciardo vs Vettel at RBR .... the rest speaks for it self lol

 

Yeah that's my point. I'm surprised Vettel is in 2nd instead of Alonso. Here's what Bub said:

 

Vettel being ahead of Alonso is very surprising after what happened last year?

 

[Kimble]

Perhaps Team Principals are seeing the bigger picture rather than writing off a 4x WDC based on one season after a rules change?

[InvertedLift]

Votes always get effected by competitive cars. That was what I meant. In 2015, Sebastian Vettel had the chance to be competitive again with a competitive car and that is the reason IMO.

A multiple race winning car isn't competitive? Now I've heard everything.

[JAW97]

Votes always get effected by competitive cars. That was what I meant. In 2015, Sebastian Vettel had the chance to be competitive again with a competitive car and that is the reason IMO.

Fair enough, agree with the 1st part.

Edited by JAW97, 29 May 2015 - 08:45.

[bub]

I'm confused as to what you mean.

 

It wasn't meant to be a question. I seem to be half asleep today.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

A multiple race winning car isn't competitive? Now I've heard everything.

It is not the fastest but the second fastest car with no threat from behind.

[bub]

Perhaps Team Principals are seeing the bigger picture rather than writing off a 4x WDC based on one season after a rules change?

 

Still kind of interesting that they have him ahead of Alonso even if you look at the big picture.

[CountDooku]

It wasn't meant to be a question. I seem to be half asleep today.

 

Dude, a question mark makes all the difference!!!

[ZuTiMa]

Lewis Hamilton 35 points

Sebastian Vettel  22 points

Fernando Alonso  12 points

Nico Rosberg.  1 point

 

(Team principals had to pick the best 3 drivers (1st- 5 points, 2nd- 3 points and 3rd- 1 point),

 

That is 10 Principals X (5+3+1) = 90 total points

Above adds up to 70 points.... wonder who got the other 20 points???

Edited by ZuTiMa, 29 May 2015 - 08:56.

[Zava]

I notice a serious lack of the guy who beat Vettel comprehensively.

 

Alonso is way too low, too.

also where is Button? he beat Hamilton in 2011.

[Kimble]

Still kind of interesting that they have him ahead of Alonso even if you look at the big picture.

 

Not really.  The big picture would surely be SV has twice the WDC that FA has?

[SammyWilson]

I'm VERY surprised Alonso isn't 2nd and a lot closer to Lewis.

 

Also, wasn't there a poll done like this with TPs recently that put Vettel on top?

 

Maybe the team principles aren't over hyping him like most on here do? 

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

Not really.  The big picture would surely be SV has twice the WDC that FA has?

Bigger picture is Lewis Hamilton has two world championships like Fernando Alonso. More bigger picture is Daniel Ricciardo beat four time world champion Sebastian Vettel. Even more bigger picture is Gilles villeneuve or Robert Kubica have no titles at all.

[kosmos]

also where is Button? he beat Hamilton in 2011.

 

As far as I know they didn't publish the complete list , only top 3 and Rosberg.

[oetzi]

How can Vettel be 2nd? based on what?

4 WDCs?

[1c3M4n]

Vettel so far back when he has stolen a win from the mighty Mercs?

 

And Alsono at abt a third of Lewis ... Good car Bad Car syndrome ?

 

Ideal Ranking would be Lewis / Vettel tied up with Dan / Alonso close behind

[Kimble]

Bigger picture is Lewis Hamilton has two world championships like Fernando Alonso. More bigger picture is Daniel Ricciardo beat four time world champion Sebastian Vettel. Even more bigger picture is Gilles villeneuve or Robert Kubica have no titles at all.

 

Even bigger big picture is that I don't have a WDC.

 

Newsflash;  Only Alonso fans think he is the best!

[1c3M4n]

A multiple race winning car isn't competitive? Now I've heard everything.

 

Oh really? It wasnt race winning when eth Mercs were running fine. 

 

They won races due to lucky circumstances where Mercs shot themselves in th foot 

[CARLO55AINZ]

Perhaps Team Principals are seeing the bigger picture rather than writing off a 4x WDC based on one season after a rules change?

 

Vettel will always be remembered for that 2014 season now, it was too bad to forget.

[YoungGun]

Vettel will always be remembered for that 2014 season now, it was too bad to forget.

 

Quickly forgotten. This years performances have a way of doing that. Funny the Team Principals think so too.

[Radion]

All these years team principle votings were used to prove that Alonso is a better driver than Vettel but once team principles dare to vote Vettel ahead of Alonso everyone wonders why.

I'm sure they voted so just to annoy some of the posters in here. 

 

[krumpli12]

Still kind of interesting that they have him ahead of Alonso even if you look at the big picture.

 

The survey was done by a German newspaper, the TPs knew this. There is your answer. /It is the same like when interviewed by Marca, everyone connected to F1 praises Fernando if there is no tomorrow./ Actually Fernando should be happy he is still 3rd 

 

Anyway, the only "official", worth to take a look at TP voting is the one they do at every end of the year. For 2014 Vettel was nowhere (rigthly so), Alonso was second. However, I am sure if the current situation with McLaren stays, at the end of the year Fernando won't be in top 3, also rightly so, because, let's be frank here, neither McL driver's performance can be judged in a meaningful way. 

Edited by krumpli12, 29 May 2015 - 10:22.

[ANF]

 

Lewis Hamilton 35 points

Sebastian Vettel  22 points

Fernando Alonso  12 points

Nico Rosberg.  1 point

 

(Team principals had to pick the best 3 drivers (1st- 5 points, 2nd- 3 points and 3rd- 1 point),

 

That is 10 Principals X (5+3+1) = 90 total points

Above adds up to 70 points.... wonder who got the other 20 points???

 

Räikkönen, Bottas, Button, and Ricciardo.
 

Er [Rosberg] bekam nur einen einzigen Punkt (zum Vergleich: Hamilton holte 35, Vettel 22, Alonso 12) und liegt damit noch hinter Kimi Räikkönen, Valtteri Bottas, Jenson Button und Daniel Ricciardo auf Rang acht der Wertung.
http://sportbild.bil...2356.sport.html

[NoSanityClause]

If there's something surprising about that list that is the inclusion of NR (whoever voted him must have surely made a mistake) and Alonso. As far as I understand, these TP "Best driver" lists usually measure the 'current' best drivers (otherwise, AutoBild and Autosport should compares ome notes because something doesn't add up). Considering that Alonso this year had done little more than driving 100 meters before endinig up in a cloud of smoke, there's some lingering love there for the guy. For the first two I have no objections. I think that, if by the ened of the year things don't change much, the third one will probably be one of the STR drivers, or Button. And if NR shows up again that team principal should be kicked out of the survey, for trolling,

[bub]

Not really.  The big picture would surely be SV has twice the WDC that FA has?

 

I wouldn't consider basing it solely on number of WDC's as 'looking at the big picture'. To me looking at the big picture means taking everything into account.

 

 

The survey was done by a German newspaper, the TPs knew this. There is your answer. /It is the same like when interviewed by Marca, everyone connected to F1 praises Fernando if there is no tomorrow./ Actually Fernando should be happy he is still 3rd 

 

Anyway, the only "official", worth to take a look at TP voting is the one they do at every end of the year. For 2014 Vettel was nowhere (rigthly so), Alonso was second. However, I am sure if the current situation with McLaren stays, at the end of the year Fernando won't be in top 3, also rightly so, because, let's be frank here, neither McL driver's performance can be judged in a meaningful way. 

 

That's a fair point. I didn't consider that at first, I just sort of assumed the TP's would give their honest opinion or maybe be a bit biased towards their own drivers.

[Fatgadget]

It is obvious that the votes mostly reflect 2014 and 2015 seasons with less attention to V8 era.

Eh!...The V8 era is history.It's in the archives.This one is about today.

[Jimisgod]

also where is Button? he beat Hamilton in 2011.

 

But Hamilton didn't run away the next year...

[sennafan24]

A few observations

 

- Alonso's ranking is informed by his current situation.

 

- D.R still needs another year or so to establish himself as a top driver (which he should do)

 

- Lewis is a credible number 1.

 

- Seb's recent efforts have helped restore his reputation

[oetzi]

. As far as I understand, these TP "Best driver" lists usually measure the 'current' best drivers ,

I always read them as a wish list - who would you have in your car if you could have a free choice.

[realracer200]

Lewis Hamilton 35 points

Sebastian Vettel  22 points

Fernando Alonso  12 points

Nico Rosberg.  1 point

 

so basically Hamilton has as many points as Vettel, Alonso and Rosberg put together.  makes sense. NOT.  

[1Devil1]

Lewis Hamilton 35 points

Sebastian Vettel  22 points

Fernando Alonso  12 points

Nico Rosberg.  1 point

 

so basically Hamilton has as many points as Vettel, Alonso and Rosberg put together.  makes sense. NOT.

 

Did you unterstand the voting system? If all team principles would have given Lewis the number one spot he would have had 50 points. 35 points isn't that much and not illogical by any means. You have a big gap between five points and 1 point for the third place. This is just a reflection of the point system and not Lewis is combined better than those other drivers

[FrontWing]

Vettel will always be remembered for that 2014 season now, it was too bad to forget.

He's 27 years old, 4xWDC and had one bad season. I think its a bit ridiculous to write him off after one season given that today's top drivers have such lengthy careers, they are bound to have at least a couple below par seasons.