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[RobMk2a]

As part of my research into TVR Racing I'm looking for programmes / entry lists for Goodwood in the period 59-62.

In particular in looking for the 41st Members Meeting 1960? and Fordwater 1961. Does anyone know if there is a 'Goodwood Archive' or does anyone have entry lists or copies of the programmes. I know Keith Aitchison's Grantura Mk2a ran in the TT in 1961.James Boothby and Mary Wheeler probably ran at the Members Meeting in 1960 but there were two other cars I'd like to indentify.

Thank you for your help.

Rob

[Roger Clark]

Boothby, Wheeler, Avril Scott-moncrieff and J C Thurner are all listed in the programme for 41st Members Meeting.  Boothby is listed in the 1961 Fordwater Trophy.  John Woolfe is a reserve but started.

 

I have a fairly comprehensive Goodwood archive and will see if I can find anything else of interest.

[RobMk2a]

Thank you very much for your help. - I have seen a photo of the start of the Members meeting. Do you have entry numbers / engine capacities it would help to identify the individual cars. I think they are 94 Boothby, 95 Wheeler, 86 and ?. I'm particularly trying to trace John Thurner's car which I think may be a factory entrant (Layton Sports cars) often running with electron wheels and in 1961 a 1,588 cc MG engine. Autosport reported this race as being the first with a good representation of TVR's.

On the Racebears.com website there is good photo of Boothy (with handlebar moustache- number 87 a I'm trying to find out if this is the 1961 Fordwater. The identification of John Woolfe's car may be more difficult as he may have run one of 2 cars AUD100 or 1226 RO, both started with Climax engines but later in 61/62 converted to MGA. I think it was entered as 116. Do you know if it ran.

Thank you

Rob Pennington

[Peter Morley]

James Boothby is presumably Fred Boothby's father and Fred currently races an MG with the VSCC.

You should be able to get in touch with him via the VSCC.

[275 GTB-4]

As part of my research into TVR Racing I'm looking for programmes / entry lists for Goodwood in the period 59-62.

In particular in looking for the 41st Members Meeting 1960? and Fordwater 1961. Does anyone know if there is a 'Goodwood Archive' or does anyone have entry lists or copies of the programmes. I know Keith Aitchison's Grantura Mk2a ran in the TT in 1961.James Boothby and Mary Wheeler probably ran at the Members Meeting in 1960 but there were two other cars I'd like to indentify.

Thank you for your help.

Rob

eBay often has period Goodwood Programs (lots of GG ones as well)

[RobMk2a]

Peter - Yes I understand Fred is James Boothby's son. I'll try and catch up with him at VSCC meeting.

275 - GTB - thank you for the suggestion - I've run through Pooks' collection on eBay but not found the programmes I require. I wondered that as the revival and the member meeting invites are based on this period if there is a good record / database of all the cars that competed.

Rob

Edited by RobMk2a, 12 June 2015 - 10:48.

[dgs]

A comprehensive race record of all races at Goodwood has been produced by the Formula One Register it is entitled 'A Record of Motor Racing at Goodwood' Volume 1. 1948-59, Volume 2. 1959-1966. Supplied as two volume set, slipcased. Comprehensive covers all races, including Members Meetings, gives events, entrants, race no, car type (often with chassis number or registralion, capacity, grid position, results. 

 

Try website 'Formula One Register' quite expensive.but will have results.

 

41st Members Meeting.

Confirm No 86 JC Thurner, No 94 James Boothby, No 95 Mary Wheeler all in TVR Grantura.

[RobMk2a]

Thanks - I'll give it a look.

Rob

[Roger Clark]

41st Members meeting:

Boothby number 94,car blue, 1216cc 

Wheeler, number 95, car green, 1216cc

Thurner, number 86, car green 1,489cc

Scott-Moncrieff number 89, car beige, 1,098cc

 

Fordwater Trophy 3/4/61

Boothby, number 111, car black, 1,216cc, entrant St James Autos (B'ton) Ltd

Woolf, number 116, car blue, 1,216cc

 

In the 44th Members' Meting (11/3/61) 

C Saunders drove TVR-Climax, number 128, green, 1,216cc

Boothby drove TVR-Climax, black, 1,216cc

Wheeler drove TVR-Climax, green, 1,216cc

 

All information from race programmes.  Entrant is driver unless otherwise stated.

Presumably 1,216 and 1,098 are Climaxes, 1,489 is MG.

 

I have a good photograph of Wheeler's car at the 44th Member's Meeting.  It is registration number 1223CD, also one of her in in the Whit Monday Meeting (22/5/61), same registration number.

[Roger Clark]

I have Robert Barker's "Record of Motor Racing at Goodwood"  I can endorse its quality but will help where I can.

[RobMk2a]

Roger,

Thank you very much for your help -

There are a few photos in Filby's TVR Early Years book - 41st MM Mary Wheeler Mk1 95, Boothby Blue car 94.

Also a photo of 2485 CD Boothby's Black car? in a race with a Jaguar Mk1 and Ford Prefect. I don't think I've seen the Whit Monday meeting photo of Mary Wheeler.

Racebears also have a number of photos of Tommy Entwistle and others one no. 53 registered TOO 2, Boothby in the black MK 2 but with race number 87 and a Mk3 ? With steel wheels no 14 and a light coloured car no43. So quite a few to identify.

I've looked at the website for Robert Barker's book - but at £200 - I may have to ask for favours!

There is a photo of the 41st members meeting grid in Filby's book. Thurner Mk2 86 appears to be on the front row with a white TR2 (pole?) and Austin Healey, second row TR2 56, 95 Wheeler, 92 Riley Brooklands, 88 Elva Courier, 3rd row Moncrieff Mk1 Healey 100 43, 67 AH Sprite, 42 Healey 100, Healey 100 49. 4th Row 94 Boothby light coloured blue next to Elite or Elva.

There is also a paddock scene with Moncreiff's Coffee Bean, an Elite and possibly Boothby's light blue Mk1.

Do you have the date for the 41st MM - March 1960?

Rob

Edited by RobMk2a, 13 June 2015 - 07:54.

[Roger Clark]

MM41 was 25th June 1960.  If you PM an email address I'll send you the pictures I have.  They're not the ones you describe.

 

The MM41 race was a 5 lap handicap so the cars are lined up according to handicap, not practice times.  The handicaps differ between the programme and Robert's book (but the programme says that the Club reserves the right to re-handicap any car).  Mike Salmon's D-Type was on scratch but he non-started, so effective scratch was Peter Sargent's D-Type at 5 seconds.  Salmon's non-starting may be the cause of some of the handicap differences.

 

Turner was on 1min 15 (relative to Salmon, I think), the TR2 you mention is probably McGuane (described as grey in the programme).  The Austin-Healey is probably Wylie who won the race (a red 3000, number 45, reg 5LPB).  

 

The second row in your picture would be the starters on 1min 10:  Gay's TR2, red, Wheeler, number 92 is an Aston-Martin, not Riley (J6/707/U  EML129), 88 Elva is Tomei (he finished second).  

 

Third row would be the 1min 05 starters.  Number 43 is Snow's Austin-Healey.  67 Sprite is George Naylor, 42 Healey is Jed Noble, 49 Healey is Derek Mackay, 

 

Fourth row is 55secs according to the programme, 1min in Robert's book.  Boothby probably next to Maurice Baring's Elite (943KPP, coloured red)

[terry mcgrath]

certainly this book will have all the details
"A comprehensive race record of all races at Goodwood has been produced by the Formula One Register it is entitled 'A Record of Motor Racing at Goodwood' Volume 1. 1948-59, Volume 2. 1959-1966. Supplied as two volume set, slipcased. Comprehensive covers all races, including Members Meetings, gives events, entrants, race no, car type (often with chassis number or registralion, capacity, grid position, results."
Also at http://forums.autosp...mmes-1930-1965/ I posted a list of my race programmes covering this period

1959

Mar-30 Goodwood
Mar-30 Mallory Park
Mar-30 Brands Hatch
Apr-04 Mallory Park
Apr-11 Silverstone
Apr-18 Aintree
Apr-19 Snetterton
Apr-20 Biggin Hill
May-02 Silverstone
May-09 Silverstone
May-16 Silverstone
May-18 Whit mon Sprint Meeting Staverton Airport Gloucestershire
May-18 Crystal Palace
May-23 Silverstone
May-31 Snetterton Allard OC sprint mtg
Jun-06 Goodwood
Jun-06 Silverstone
Jun-26 Silverstone JDC BDC
Jun-27 Silverstone
Jun-27 Goodwood
Jun-27 Oulton Park
Jul-05 5th Ann. Long Marston Aerodrome Sprint
Jul-11 Silverstone
Jul-18 Aintree
Aug-01 Silverstone JDC BDC
Aug-02 Mallory Park
Aug-03 Brands Hatch
Aug-08 Silverstone
Aug-22 Crystal Palace
Aug-23 Prescott VSCC
Aug-29 Brands Hatch
Aug-30 Shelsley Walsh
Sep-05 Brighton Speed Trials
Sep-05 Goodwood 24th RAC Trophy
Sep-06 Snetterton
Sep-06 22nd Brunton Hill Climb
Sep-19 Silverstone
Sep-26 Oulton Park
Sep-26 Silverstone JDC BDC
Sep-26 Goodwood 38th
Oct-03 Silverstone
Oct-04 Brands Hatch

1960

Mar-19 Goodwood 39th
Mar-27 Snetterton
Apr-02 Oulton Park
Apr-03 North Weald Aerodrome 11th
Apr-18 Mallory Park
Apr-18 Goodwood
Apr-30 Aintree
Apr-30 Brands Hatch
May-07 Goodwood
May-16 Silverstone
May-28 Oulton Park
Jun-06 Goodwood
Jun-11 Silverstone 11th Annual 8's Club
Jun-12 Shelsley Walsh
Jun-19 24th Brunton Hill Climb
Jun-20 Oulton Park
Jul-10 Snetterton
Jul-16 Silverstone British GP
Jul-30 Silverstone JDC BDC
Aug-01 Brands Hatch
Aug-06 Silverstone
Aug-13 Silverstone
August bank holiday Brands Hatch POS
Aug-20 Goodwood 25th RAC Trophy
Aug-27 Silverstone AMOC
Sep-03 Brighton
Sep-10 Silverstone JDC BDC
Oct-01 Silverstone
Oct-16 Brands Hatch
Dec-26 Brands Hatch

1961

Apr-03 Goodwood
Apr-22 Silverstone
May-06 Silverstone
Apr-09 Brunton Hill Climb 26th
May-13 Silverstone
May-22 Goodwood
Jun-24 Oulton Park
Jul-01 Goodwood 47th
Jul-08 Silverstone
Jul-22 Silverstone VSCC
Jul-23 Mallory Park
Jul-29 Silverstone
Aug-05 Silverstone JDC BDC
Aug-12 Great Auclum
Aug-19 Goodwood 26th RAC Trophy
Aug-27 Prescott VSCC
Sep-02 Crystal Palace
Sep-09 Silverstone JDC BDC
Sep-24 Brands Hatch
Sep Oulton Park
Oct-01 Brands Hatch
Dec-26 Brands Hatch


1962


Jan-01 to 06 Racing Car Show
Apr-07 Oulton Park
Apr-14 Si Weston VSCC
Apr-23 Mallory Park
Apr-23 Brands Hatch
Apr-23 Goodwood
May-05 Silverstone
May-12 Silverstone
May-26 Goodwood
Jun-11 Crystal Palace
Jun-11 Goodwood
Jun-23 Goodwood
Jun-23 Oulton Park
Jun-30 Oulton Park
Jul-14 Goodwood
Aug-04 Silverstone JDC BDC
Aug-06 Brands Hatch
May-11

[RobMk2a]

Terry,

Thank you I've sent a separate email.

It's not on your list but do you have a copy of programme for the 1960 Rest and be thankful Hillclimb.

Kind regards

Rob Pennington

Edited by RobMk2a, 13 June 2015 - 14:37.

[terry mcgrath]

unfortunately not the list is up to date,
love to get photocopies of any that aren't listed here.
terry

Terry,

Thank you I've sent a separate email.

It's not on your list but do you have a copy of programme for the 1960 Rest and be thankful Hillclimb.

Kind regards

Rob Pennington

[Rupertlt1]

Goodwood 3rd April 1961
FORDWATER TROPHY
(10-LAP CLASS SCRATCH RACE FOR GRAND TOURING CARS)
Weather: Wet
 
Over 2000 c.c.
91 R. Wilkins and R.R.C. Walker,   Aston Martin Zagato, 6, 3670, Blue
   (Driver: Stirling Moss),
92 J.L.E. Ogier (Innes Ireland),   Aston Martin DB4, 6, 3670, Green
93 A.G. Whitehead,                 Ferrari 250,      12, 2953, Silver,
94 Equipe Endeavour & Maranello,   Ferrari Berlinetta, 12, 2953, Blue,
   Cons. Ltd (Mike Parkes),
95 Equipe Endeavour (Graham Hill), Jaguar E, 6, 3781, Blue, DNS,
96 J. Coombs Racing Organisation,  Jaguar E, 6, 3781, Grey, DNS,

    (Roy Salvadori)
97 B. Kemp,                        Jaguar XK150S, 6, 3781, Black, DNS,
 
Over 1300 c.c.-2000 c.c.
98 Scuderia Light Blue (W. McCowen),  A.C. Bristol, 6, 1971, Blue,
99 Westerham Motors (R.A.V. Staples), A.C. Bristol, 6, 1971, Blue,
100 R.S. Benson,                      Porsche Carrera, 4, 1498, Silver,
101 Jack Brabham Motors Ltd,          Sunbeam Alpine 4, 1592, Blue, DNS,     
    (R. Bryant),
102 Morgan Motor Company Ltd,         Morgan +4, 4, 1991, Red,
    (R.M. Shepherd-Barron),
112 John Sprinzel Ltd.,               Austin Healey Sprite s/c, 4, 995, Grey,
    (Driver I. Walker),
 
Up to 1300 c.c.
103 J.H. Gaston,                      Austin Healey Sprite,  4, 995, Green,
104 K. Foitek,                        Alfa Romeo, 4, 1290, Red, DNS,
105 U.D.T.-Laystall Racing Team,      Lotus Elite, 4, 1216, Green,
    (Mike McKee)
106 Gilby Engineering Co. Ltd        Lotus Elite 4 1216 Red/Green

     (Keith Greene)
107 Chequered Flag Co. Ltd           Lotus Elite 4 1216 Black/White
    (Graham Warner)
108 T. Marsh                         Lotus Elite 4 1216 White
109 C. Vogele                        Lotus Elite 4 1216 Red DNS
110 Les Leston                       Lotus Elite 4 1216 Red
111 St. James Autos (B'ton) Ltd      T.V.R. Grantura  4 1216 Black
    (J.R.M. Boothby)
113 Mrs G.A. Naylor                  Austin Healey Sprite  4 994 Green
    (G.A. Naylor)
114 D.A.N. Byrne                     Marcos D.K.W. 3 980 Blue
------------------
115 M.B. Baring (1st Reserve)        Fiat Abarth 4 982 Red
116 J. Woolfe   (2nd Reserve)        T.V.R. Grantura  4 1216 Blue
117 B. Ferrari  (3rd Reserve)        A.C. Bristol 6 1971 Red/White
142 J. Campbell-Jones, (4th Reserve)  Lotus Elite 4 1216 Blue
 
Results
General Classification: #94, #92, #91
Over 2000 c.c. #94, #92
Over 1300 c.c.-2000 c.c. #98, #100
Up to 1300 c.c. #107, #105

Edited by Rupertlt1, 18 November 2016 - 04:05.

[RobMk2a]

Does anyone have photos of this race I'm interested in the TVR Granturas 111 & 116.

Thanks Rob