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#51 TREV

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 22:43

Thanks Ray



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#52 john medley

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 22:59

I last saw the "Lotus 23 replica" Nota in the garage roof at Geoff Dunlop's house at , perhaps, Ermington. We, both tall, decided that we could not fit in it-- because Guy's cars were invariably built for Guy-sized people

#53 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 10:37

Originally posted by John Medley
.....because Guy's cars were invariably built for Guy-sized people.


I recall that Malcolm Smith, who is by no means a big bloke, had problems fitting into the Nota Fiat...

It was always harder working around a front engine with the footwell.

#54 Joe Bosworth

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Posted 07 June 2016 - 09:10

I last saw the "Lotus 23 replica" Nota in the garage roof at Geoff Dunlop's house at , perhaps, Ermington. We, both tall, decided that we could not fit in it-- because Guy's cars were invariably built for Guy-sized people

 

I am just catching up with this now as I have chosen to practically ignore posting on TNF for a variety of reasons.  But I jump in now to correct something that I believe to be a historical furfy; that being that Nota were built for Guy-sized people.

 

I fully recognise that John is one to be meticuously accurate on TNF but I do need to comment on he restating this apparent inaccuracy.

 

I have probably driven more Notas during the Guy era than anyone else, raced between 10 and 15 chassis and test drove many more.  Back in those days I was on the longer side of 6ft 2inches aand weighed 180 pounds (188 cm & 81 kilos), I never had difficulty fitting into a car.

 

In fact there was one weekend at Katoomba in which a drove both front engine Juniors now owned by the Medley brothers as well as the Barrie Garner Nota Major in one practice session with comfort in all.  I know that John M is no small guy himself so am interested to hear of his problems in fitting into his Nota Junior, one that Guy and I both ran in that weekend.

 

I also note that Syd Howard has probably raced the second most number of Notas in the Guy years and note that Syd was certainly no under-sized weakling and I am sure that he would attest to the same facts that I have noted above.

 

I also note that 1965 chassis #61 was originally bought by Reon Bavington.  Reon was at least two inches taller than myself and about the same weight. There are many other examples that I can raise but enough for now.

 

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Posted 07 June 2016 - 09:21

From Goodwood in 2013:

 

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:58

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#57 Ray Bell

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:50

Perhaps a bit of a grandfathers' axe?

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I don't think those pickup points are all Nota:

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This could be helpful...

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Different cutaways on each side, and this on a car which required doors?

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It can't possibly have had these until the seventies...

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In fact, the log book photos had to be from later than 1976 and it's on steel wheels in that.




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#58 Dick Willis

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 20:55

Confessions, I owned this beauty for a while about 20 years ago, it had been run in hillclimbs etc in the form it is now in by Garry and Bob Cossor. The logbook notes it  had a Corolla in it as it was when bought by the Cossors but it seems, and this is confirmed by the logbook pic, that it originally had a Sprite motor.

 

However, as it had no Nota chassis plate nor a chassis number on the frame anywhere, I couldn't be convinced to carry out a resto on it without being able to establish its early history. And so, here it is still looking for a sympathetic person to bring it back to its former glory, there must be a category somewhere for it. 



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Posted 20 June 2017 - 01:43

Ray, I should have added, it was you who prompted me to buy it.



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Posted 04 July 2017 - 01:58

Gents, some more info on the Nota above: Dick, I spoke to you quickly at Morgan Park on Saturday.  Ray, the photos in the logbook are I believe from 1970 as the car has been logbooked since at least then.  If I have it right, it was Austin 1098 engined in 1970, then converted to Corolla in around 78/79, then that Ford 1500 in 82-83.  Body is certainly interesting, as you note it has no doors - but at least that may hold the key to identifying which one it is as it has been that way since the 70s.  And it was originally dark green not black; I don't know what colour the splash at the front was.  But a Newcastle car in the early 70's, no Nota badges or identification but logbooked as one.  History from 66 (if it is a 66 car as per the logbooks) to 70 unknown.  Lots of research to go to meet the high standards of this forum, let alone CAMS...    

 

 

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#61 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 13:09

Originally posted by Dick Willis
Ray, I should have added, it was you who prompted me to buy it.


I don't recall that at all, Dick...

As for the door cutouts, they were certainly legal with an 1100cc and a 1300cc engine, that's all a part of the Clubman formula.

It was with the fitment of the 1500cc Ford engine that they made the car illegal.

But the other point I raised was the strange way in which the driver's side cutout has been reduced without a similar modification to the passenger's side.

That passenger's side cutout is also alarmingly low, do we have pics of any other contemporary Notas showing how low they went in this area?

And there's no tubular structure in the tunnel area to give it strength either...

#62 Dick Willis

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 08:52

Nice to learn that the Nota has found someone to love it, please keep us informed of your progress in tracking it's early history.



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Posted 05 July 2017 - 10:00

Ray, the passenger side goes even lower than the drivers - it has been that way since at least 1970 which is the earliest pictures I have; the two sides have always been quite different.

 I have seen other Notas that go that low but not so differently each side.  Of course we haven't proven it is a Nota yet!  I have also seen other Notas that also have no higher level bracing down the transmission tunnel.

 

With respect to the rules - I thought they varied state to state in the 60's, but didn't all Clubmans have to have doors once they had National rules? The earliest CAMS manual I have is from 73 but doors are required in there to be considered a Clubman; I certainly wasn't racing then so I am only getting that from the manual, no knowledge.

 

There is an interesting entry in Racing Car News from Oct 67 in the Oran Park race meeting report, about Bob Page winning a heat of the Sports Car races, only to be disqualified because he was "racing a Clubman type car without a door."  No information on type though unfortunately.    

 

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 10:31

John, the rules were the same nationwide...

It's just that some people preferred to stick to the 1500cc engines they'd be running rather than fit in with the 1100cc capacity limit introduced when the Clubman formula was formalised.

Cutouts were always legal for Clubmans, never for other Sports Car categories.

I looked for the report of which you speak, it's not the October '67 RCN, could you please check that for me? I'm thinking it would be Brian Page, he had a Lotus 7.

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 10:38

Apologies, meeting was Oct, report is in Nov 67 RCN, pages 59/60.  



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Posted 05 July 2017 - 11:40

After posting about Brian Page I started thinking about just when he had his Lotus 7...

One of the outstanding events in his ownership was letting Kevin Bartlett drive it, but that was before KB's time at Mildren's, so there was little chance Brian Page had the Seven in 1967.

Checking Marc Schagen's book I got the information that from December 1965 that car was raced by Bob Page, believed by Marc to have been Brian's brother. He opted out of it not long after his Oran Park disqualification.

I wonder when the Clubman formula was introduced?

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 11:58

After posting about Brian Page I started thinking about just when he had his Lotus 7...

One of the outstanding events in his ownership was letting Kevin Bartlett drive it, but that was before KB's time at Mildren's, so there was little chance Brian Page had the Seven in 1967.

Checking Marc Schagen's book I got the information that from December 1965 that car was raced by Bob Page, believed by Marc to have been Brian's brother. He opted out of it not long after his Oran Park disqualification.

I wonder when the Clubman formula was introduced?

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 23:46

I was told it did not get a bid? So probably still For Sale



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Posted 13 July 2017 - 23:30

Lee, no the car isn't for sale now.

 

So to kick off some more research on the Clubman above - some photos of it from 1970.  And no, it didn't have a chassis plate in 1970 either.  So brief history was that it was advertised for sale in Newcastle in 1970, probably mid year.  I haven't located where it was advertised, but it will either be one of the motorsport mags/papers from then, or the Newcastle Herald, so I have lots of reading to do.  It was already a race car, no roll bar, Austin 1098 powered, and on a single axle trailer.  Dark green with silver on the nose cone.   It was purchased, roll bar added, and logbooked in August 1970.  Mainly a hillclimb car from that point forward, but it also raced at Catalina and elsewhere around Sydney.  

 

I have the history of the car from 1970 forward, but would like to try and chase the prior history to confirm that it is a 1966 Nota as both its 1970 and 1982 logbooks state, and if possible work out who owned it - or built it if it was supplied as a chassis.

 

Ray, you noted above that the front suspension pickups didn't look like a Nota - as you can see here they haven't changed since 1970, so they may be a way of identifying it.  I haven't found any other good images of later 60's Notas to compare yet, and I missed the opportunity of looking at Trevor's car at Warwick a few weeks ago due to a blonde moment.  

 

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 11:02

Have you looked at the Nota chassis records ? Looking though them in the 1960s period and seeking a clubman, BMC A Series powered, non swing axle front, the choice is quite limited. Numbers 48 and 63 are quite well known but 61 seems to be the only likely candidate, 1965 for R. Barrington, won the clubman championship in 1968, it had BMC engine, gearbox and rear axle, Herald steering and brakes, wishbone front end and 3 Trailing arms at the rear. I don't know of its current whereabouts but it might bear further investigation by you.



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Posted 14 July 2017 - 11:05

To continue with the above - the mechanical specification of the car in 1970 I believe was: Morris A Series engine and gearbox, Morris Minor rear axle, 3 link rear with coil springs, fabricated wishbone front suspension, Morris steering rack.  That 'assumption' is based on the 1970 logbook, the owners' recollections from 1970, and the axle and steering rack that is still in the car now.

 

So if we view the information in the Nota Files, and we assume that the basic mechanical makeup in the car hasn't changed between when it was built, and 1970 - it isn't a 1966 Nota as there isn't a match.  In fact there isn't a match anywhere really for that mechanical spec, as I am sure others have found.  The only car close to that spec is Chassis 35, which wasn't finished by Nota and is listed as originally owned by Geoff Shaw.  

 

So the work continues.

 

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#72 Dick Willis

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 11:57

Does your car have Herald or BMC steering ?



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Posted 14 July 2017 - 20:24

Are you including the uprights in that question, Dick?

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 21:03

Dick, it has Herald uprights and what I believe is a BMC steering rack; looks Morris Minor to me, but I did stop working on Morris/Austin/Triumph stuff in 1985. Will post some pics later.



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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:04

Front suspension.  On another note, while looking at the steering rack I saw that the radiator still has its original build tag on it from Newcell Radiators - and is dated July 1962.........

 

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:44

Here's another one to consider, from RCN classifieds, 11/68. 

 

"Nota Clubman, absolutely immaculate 1967 model, all aluminium body- only 7cwt. 9000 rpm 1098 BMC engine worth 95 bhp, brand new Dunlop 184s on 7in front, 9in rear rims, flawlessly painted in Cooper green, suitable for road or track use, has passed registration but comes complete with steel trailer (with brakes) and some spares. Has climbed Lakeview  in easy 34 secs, standing 1/4 15.8. Apply Dennis Hancock, 27-9331 (Sydney), Mr Gilbert, 9-3596 (Canberra)"

 

A few similarities ?



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Posted 15 July 2017 - 12:50

Certainly sounds close to the information we have.  Given there aren't any 67 Clubmans with a 1098, perhaps an car rebuilt in 66/67?  Certainly a report to chase down.  Thanks Dick.

 

John 



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Posted 15 July 2017 - 13:16

John, could you post a pic of the rack, please?

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 22:47

Not a great photo but the pinion housing should identify, and as I noted it is mounted with Morris rack mounts.

 

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 23:52

John, I've got Bob Abberfield looking this over...

He has some experience with old Notas. Could you please also post a pic of the Panhard rod?

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 08:21

Ray, the drivers side of the panhard rod which I guess is the important side, the other end is the same style arrangement into the diff bracket.  It isn't the 90 degree bent arrangement that No 5 has or anything like that.  The badly welded in metal at the bottom right of the picture is the harness mount, I don't know when that was put in (pre 1970 sometime) but its not a factory weld. 

 

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#82 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 08:56

So that mounts to the centre of the rear axle housing?

Or to the other end?

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 09:06

Sorry, don't have a photo scanned in on this computer, so you get a photo of a photo, but it would appear the spring bracket and the panhard rod bracket were welded to the diff at the same time.

 

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#84 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 12:48

Well, it is true, John, that I was born in the same street as Notas were built...

But I can't claim to be an expert on them to the degree necessary. Bob, however, had close ties with a couple of them and I've passed on those photos to him and await his judgement.

Still, these could be modifications (particularly at the front), but that doesn't really seem all that likely as the first mod you'd have done in that era was fit disc brakes, I'd think.

The points I question mostly at the moment as being unlike Nota (in my view) are:

1. The uneven cutaways right and left.

2. The front suspension pickup points.

3. The chassis mount for the Panhard rod.

4. That the Panhard rod is full length.

Bob should let me know what he thinks by midday tomorrow.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 20:37

Hi Ray.  At the end of the day the research will point wherever it does.   I am not concerned at all if it isn't a Nota - it is an Australian built 60's Clubman which has been logbooked (as a Nota) for 47 years and raced prior to that, so deserves to be identified and restored which I will do regardless of what it turns out to be.  So my main focus is tracing it back through the for sale ads to find a photo or something of it in the 60's.  I like the asymmetric cockpit on it, because if nothing else it is making it easy to rule cars out and will hopefully identify it when I do find those elusive photos.

 

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 20:58

Ray, the chassis mount on my Nota for the panhard rod is the same as in the above pic and it is full length too.



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Posted 18 July 2017 - 22:45

I understand what you're saying, John...

No, it doesn't matter if it's not a Nota. It's just a matter of knowing the provenance of the car. So pursuing its history begins with knowing what it is, and in this case particularly it would seem important to know both what it is and what it isn't.

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 08:41

What is the history of ownership in the log book, surly this will assist along whith race history?

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 09:59

Dan, logbooks didn't exist when this car was built.  And if you can find some race history from 1963 to 1969, I would be most appreciative.  But without an owners name till 1970, and no photos that I have ever found in the 60's of the car even though we know what it looked like, its harder than it may appear.  

 

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 12:52

Bob Abberfield's opinion...

First let's look at his qualifications. He's been fairly closely connected with three Nota Clubmans over the years and owned a car which was based on principles of Nota.

Like me, he feels that the front suspension mounts aren't of Nota style. The Panhard rod, being full length, is longer than any he's ever seen on a Nota Sportsman and it's not mounted in the same manner on the chassis.

He does say it's possible that someone has taken an unfinished Nota chassis and completed the car a little differently to how Guy would have built it.

And he asks if you've been in touch with Chris Buckingham.

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 01:45

Is there a custodian of results & programs of OranPark?

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 02:59

Hi Ray, thanks for the above.  As I noted, I will trace the car and see where that leads.       

 

Dan, program results don't help unless you have a one-off, or know the driver.  There is a 4-7 year period in the 60's that we don't know who owned/drove the car, hence seeing a program with 'Nota Clubman' or 'Nota Sportsman' even with a driver listed does nothing to help prove the history.  

 

My current approach is (on the assumption it is as I still believe it is, a Nota chassis):

 

1.  Make a list of every 60's Nota Clubman - which I have done, thanks to the great research already done by others, and some snippets from Guy's ledgers.

 

2.  Eliminate every car which either still exists, had a documented history which does not match, was a one-off for whatever reason, or is mechanically too different (IRS for example).

 

That quickly gets me down to about 4 Notas.   Frankly the closest is Chassis 35 which is the same basic spec, and timeframe to match the component dates like the radiator,  

 

3.  Find the original owners of those Notas.  That is proving hard.  Geoff Shaw who is listed as the owner of 35 (which was not finished by Nota, hence potential link to this car which appears not to have had a Nota chassis plate or bonnet badge) I have yet to find, and am contacting drivers I know from Sydney/Newcastle in that period to check, but nothing so far.  Other cars are just listed to Nota or similar, or unfinished.

 

4.  Find the ad - the owner who bought the car around 1970 and logbooked it in Aug 70 as a 1966 Nota bought it in Newcastle (Broadmeadow), and he has noted that it was advertised in the print media and he and a friend responded to that.  He couldn't remember where it was advertised though, whether it was the Newcastle Herald, SMH or a motorsport pub.  He bought the car, on its single axle trailer, and I have a photo of the trailer that if I get really stuck I can try and trace the rego on that. Hence the link in above which Dick found, from 1968, for a Nota the same colour being sold with a trailer.  What doesn't match is the location - car would appear to be advertised from Sydney in 68, but John was living in Newcastle and remembers the car being in Broadmeadows on its trailer on a vacant piece of land next to a shop which is where he bought it from.  So that bit is inconsistent.  But I am trying to find the two people listed in the ad - if nothing else they owned/raced a Nota the right colour at about the right time, and would possibly eliminate another car if it isn't correct.  Who knows - perhaps they sold it to a Newcastle owner who sold it on a year later.  But somewhere it was advertised, so I have a friend going through every Newcastle Herald of the time, and if that turns up nothing I guess I am going for a trip to the National Library to yet again spend many hours going through their collection.

 

5.  Find a photo.  Car is fairly distinctive when bought in 1969/1970 - Dark green Clubman with no doors, different driver/passenger side, 3 link rear, double wishbone front, silver nose embellishment just like the works FJs, Austin 1098 single weber, single spun alloy mirror, fixed single aeroshield in an aluminium frame bolted direct to the body, and it didn't have a roll bar of any sort as that was put on to logbook it in 1970.  So it can't have raced in any event prior to 70 that required a roll hoop or bar.  It is certainly not any of the Notas or any other Clubmans I have a found a photo of in a publication, a collection or on the net.  So I suspect if a photo is found of a similar looking car, it would be a great step forward.

 

I don't know any other way to trace it unless someone has a great idea.  So much more simpler with the other two cars I currently own, one was the only one in Australia (3 in the world), one was one of two in Australia (18 in the world) so tracking programs and photos of them was much easier!  But I like a challenge.

 

John



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Posted 20 July 2017 - 04:25

Have you tried Brian Rawlings?

Brian did work at Nota early on.

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 04:47

Hi Ray, no haven't tried Brian, I am sure by the end of this I will have annoyed every driver/constructor of the period!  What I might do is send a heap of chassis photos (I have an album of shots when the car got a new floor at one stage) to Chris Buckingham, he can then (if it is a Nota) hopefully provide a view on the approx age of the car and therefore who would be best to approach.  Or tell me its definitely nothing like they ever produced and to look elsewhere. 

 

This whole imageshack/photobucket thing is annoying, 90% of all photos of the period of the net are gone.  



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Posted 20 July 2017 - 06:50

Just spoke to Curley Cowan who ran a very early Nota Clubman in hill climbs, to his recolection there were two Nota Clubmans in the Illawarra area his which came from Sydney later to have a Ford 1500 motor & the Doug Brown Singer powered car, he has no recolection of the Cossor,s ever owening a Nota but informed me that Gary lives near Mt Cotton, Qld. Hope this helps in someway. Daniel

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 07:28

This one didn't get its Ford engine until it migrated to Brisbane, isn't that right John?

Bob Winley assures me that it was not unusual for people building their own car would call them Notas - some with Guy's permission and some without - in order to enable them to be registered.

Just for the record, the write-up from the eBay listing is copied here because it will otherwise disappear:

Original listing detail on eBay
1966 Nota built Clubman. Small ford running gear. Engine runs, car needs to be restored. It has been in storage for the last 15 years. Engine has been rebuilt several years ago. Ford 1498 pushrod Pre-Cross flow engine, starts and runs car is 95% compete. It does need a seat, tunnel to cover the gearbox and driveshaft, mud guards. It does come with the original set of 4 Mawer mags which have had slicks on them. We have fitted MX5 wheels on it for storage. Original Cams Logbook and folders of documents and photos included. It has competition history for hill climbs and sprints in QLD.
Located in Wallacia NSW 2745 (Near Penrith)
Inspections by arrangement - Call or text 0421 355 657


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 14:28

Talking to Brian Rawlings about this, he told me a fascinating story...

Geoff Shaw is (or was) a red-headed Irishman from Bowral who was a friend of a car salesman who had a black Nota Streamliner. Brian thinks his name might have been Trevor, but his memory was letting him down here.

Trevor introduced Geoff to Guy who agreed to a deal where Geoff would work on his car at the Ice Works. And so that's how it came about.

But one day (or night?) Geoff did his block over something and pounded the scuttle with a hammer to the extent that it had to be replaced. "He gave it a real hiding," Brian remembers.

If there are signs of damage to the tubing in that area it might prove something.



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Posted 20 July 2017 - 21:46

I spent part days at the ice works, both front and back locations, six days a week from October 1960 through October 1966 except for a few months at the end of 1961 and some of 1962.  Thus I saw almost every Nota being constructed and had a major hand in the design evolutions.  Most days I would lend a hand in the construction of parts for whatever was needed at the time.  As an example, I built, in shop, the later of the two front engine Juniors now owned by the Medley brothers.

 

I seriously doubt that the Clubman shown in this recent discussion is a "true" Nota.  There are a lot of features that appear to be copies of Nota details which leads me to believe that the chassis was constructed by someone who had a regular access to a true Nota.

 

The major tips to its lack of authenticity are:

1: Different height driver access openings.  I believe it is safe to state that no Nota Clubman ever left the shop with anything other than symetricaly matching sides.

2: The front suspension pick up points are far more agricultural than any but the first pre-1960 versions.  I don't remember anything built in my tenure that had pick ups located mid point to frame nodes.

3. Likewise, the frame configuration that can be seen in the published photos is far more similar to very early sixties than anything later.

4. I never knew of a car or frame leaving the shop in finished state without a pucca Nota ID plate attached with a chassis number.  Guy was quite fastidious in this detail with numbers matching his hand written records for which I have a copy.

 

I am currently in the US and away from my records but I suspect that the design details and construction started in Nota's pre-wishbone chassis days and completed much later when wish bone came into vogue.  I am not back near my records until late August and might be able to comment further at that time.

 

I remember Geoff Shaw and his frame but believe that the vast majority of his replica was home built.  Brian R will attest that Guy was pretty generous to some outside builders of Notables and Bulit Under License types. 

 

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 08:34

Joe, thanks for that.  With regard to the cockpit sides - the frames are identical left and right other than the drivers side has, above that, the additional member that makes that side higher.  Whether that is a later addition I have no idea, clearly it was there in 1970.  The front suspension - they are I suspect a late 60's addition, certainly the welding on them is different to the remainder of the car; it is pretty clear there are at least 3 different welding styles on the car.  And yes not a great engineering design as far as the suspension mounts to the frame goes, although they are triangulated from below - not that that is the load path in this instance!  But I think from a design perspective (as in suspension movement) not too bad.   

 

I guess I will keep tracing it back as I was, through the ads and the owners.  Someone built it in the 60s, so someone knows.  The main frame is quite well built, if it is a homemade job, I want to hire whoever built it to work on my other cars!

 

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John



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 10:41

Well I have had a number of other discussions and I would really like to find some photos of Geoff Shaw's car - I have discounted some other leads, but both Geoff Shaw's chassis no 35 and the ad which has Dennis Hancock and Roy Gilbert as the two contacts are my main interests at the moment.  I know Roy used to run a Cooper Jap and was mainly into the air cooled hillclimbers, but have little more.  Either way I need to either confirm or discount these leads.  Does anyone have any knowledge of these gentlemen?

 

John