46 replies to this topic

[aguri]

The advent the carbon fibre as the construction material of choice coupled with complex aero development has led to a generation of F1 cars that are in my opinion too fragile. 

In an effort to encourage teams to build heavier and more robust cars - should the FIA look to start handing out mid race penalties when shards of the aero package break off cars?

 

Furthermore, should front wings be tested to ensure they can endure a high speed bump without shattering before they are homologated?

[Marklar]

More penaltys? Seriously?

[kraduk]

No the fact that you have lost a bit of your car is penalty enough, and I thought there were already rules in place for putting a dangerous car on the track eg Max's flying engine cover

[GrumpyYoungMan]

A big fat NO! also a big down!

[Jon83]

You cannot be serious? Tell me you aren't!?

[Diablobb81]

Lol, no.

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

So basically you're saying if someone clips your front wing and a bit falls off, not only are you going to be penalised by either having to make a long unscheduled stop/drive round without optimum downforce, you should be given extra penalties, just because somebody crashed into you and caused some debris to fall off the car?

 

I'm genuinely concerned if you're being anything more than 0% serious about this. It's one of the most stupid, ridiculous, idiotic suggestions ever made (and given we had double points last year, that's saying something).

 

The best thing you can do is ask the mods to delete the entire thread before you get ridiculed even more.

[RedBaron]

Surely if you wanted to employ that the better solution was in your last sentence. Crash/strength tests wings etc and passing/failing cars before they even arrive at a race weekend. That way weak splintering wings never even make it to the circuit. The same way chassis are crash tested.

 

Let's not add any more penalties.

 

Edited by RedBaron, 08 October 2015 - 09:49.

[Marklar]

Maldonado would be happy about this rule though

[Clatter]

If the driver gets caught throwing rubbish out the cockpit then sure a penalty should apply. Other than that the existing penalties if correctly applied cover the incidents described.

[superden]

No. Just, no.

[Marklar]

If a driver continues to drive on the track with an damaged car without a chance to bring it back to the pits, than they are already given penalties I think thats already enough.

[KOMORI]

They should penalize the drivers for leaving black marks at the start line too... Messing up that clean track!! Then they should stop half way through and sweep up the tyre marbles too!!

Pitchforks and flaming torches.... MARCH WITH ME!!!1!

[YoungGun]

If the driver gets caught throwing rubbish out the cockpit then sure a penalty should apply. Other than that the existing penalties if correctly applied cover the incidents described.

 

Does a tear off strip count?

[SenorSjon]

The advent the carbon fibre as the construction material of choice coupled with complex aero development has led to a generation of F1 cars that are in my opinion too fragile. 

In an effort to encourage teams to build heavier and more robust cars - should the FIA look to start handing out mid race penalties when shards of the aero package break off cars?

 

Furthermore, should front wings be tested to ensure they can endure a high speed bump without shattering before they are homologated?

 

Ask Justin Wilson what an extra reïnforced flyable piece of car could mean... oh wait.

[Clatter]

Does a tear off strip count?

Apparently not, but maybe it should.

[Man of the race]

No.

[Abranet]

Surprised you let this thought leave your mind and make it to a forum. 

 

No offence but it's a ridiculous idea. 

[OilFour]

Max did got a penalty for losing bodywork in Italy, but did he got that for creating a dangerous situation or for leaving debris on track?

[maximilian]

Absolutely not. 

 

And get rid of all those other stupid and unnecessary penalties, too.  They are one of many nails in the coffin.

[Jon83]

Max did got a penalty for losing bodywork in Italy, but did he got that for creating a dangerous situation or for leaving debris on track?

 

Yeah but was that not because it was considered an 'unsafe release? like how it would be if a tyre isn't fitted correctly?

[Cig35]

It was as you correctly state considered as an unsafe release.

 

http://www.fia.com/f...?token=1FlMh9Ou

[Dick Dastardly]

You'll be wanting the drivers to stop and use the marshals's brooms to sweep their own debris [not just from their cars, but gravel & bits of marker boards etc if they've gone off the circuit] next....

[Nonesuch]

The FIA Sporting Code (Appendix H) already gives the race director options to act when parts of the car are damaged.

 

For example, under no circumstance should Fernando Alonso have been allowed to start lap 2 of the Malaysian Grand Prix in 2013 with his wing bouncing off the track.

 

Unfortunately in F1, Murray Walker's old adage that 'in F1 anything can happen and it usually does' also applies to the enforcement of the regulations by the race director.
 

2.4.4.1  Clerk of the Course flag signals

e) Black flag with an orange disc 40 cm in diameter. This flag should be used to inform the driver concerned that his car has mechanical problems likely to endanger himself or others and means that he must stop at his pit on the next lap. When the mechanical problems have been rectified to the satisfaction of the chief scrutineer, the car may rejoin the race.

 

It might be a bit of a stretch to apply these existing rules to something like what happened with Button's wing in Singapore, though. After all, in such cases the debris is no longer part of the car.

[Dipster]

The advent the carbon fibre as the construction material of choice coupled with complex aero development has led to a generation of F1 cars that are in my opinion too fragile. 

In an effort to encourage teams to build heavier and more robust cars - should the FIA look to start handing out mid race penalties when shards of the aero package break off cars?

 

Furthermore, should front wings be tested to ensure they can endure a high speed bump without shattering before they are homologated?

What a strange idea to put forward........

 

Nah. Just make carrying brushes and dustpans on all cars compulsory and have the culprit stop and clean up his own mess.....

Edited by Dipster, 08 October 2015 - 12:48.

[Jazza]

Yes... When drivers start throwing their drink bottles out the car onto the track so as to bring out the safety car to stop going a lap down or to be able to pit under yellows. Until then, no.

[JHSingo]

 

No.

[Alexis*27]

No.

 

Next...

[DampMongoose]

I had an idea like this once...

 

Don't worry though, I'm much better now.

[PassWind]

NO!

Edited by PassWind, 08 October 2015 - 18:19.

[MikeV1987]

Nah, I understand where you are coming from but there would be too many grey areas with a rule like that.

[Tapz63]

Of course. Not only should we slap a ten second penalty on any car that has a piece fall of it, we should also DSQ any car that is totalled out on track.

Edited by Tapz63, 08 October 2015 - 19:48.

[DampMongoose]

How about a 3 race ban for not finishing in the points?

[Lee Nicolle]

Actually this does have a LOT of merit. All those stupid gargoyles that do really very little on the front wings in particular do fall off regularly, yet alone the so called end plates that shatter with contact with the ground [or other cars]

Carbon fibre is a MAJOR problem with current motorsport. Shards of it regularly puncture tyres and broken bits cut tyres. This effects all competitors at the racemeeting and on occasion others too. That is end of story!

Leave carbon fibre for main chassis alone, bodywork should be fibreglass or kevlar and wings should be aluminium. Without all those stupid ugly little planes everywhere. Simple 2 or 3 element wings. The same for everyone

Guess what if this were brought in it would save some money and the racing would be more about drivers that mad boffins nightmares. Which just may even up the competition a little too.

[Craven Morehead]

Enough freakin' penalties already!

[RealRacing]

Of course, penalties should be given for as many things as possible.

[Otaku]

Penalties for breathing should be given to everyone, just for the sake of it.

[Craven Morehead]

Maybe the FIA should impose a five race ban for farting.

[ExFlagMan]

Does debris include diesel  - 5 race ban for the organisers maybe....

[SenorSjon]

The FIA Sporting Code (Appendix H) already gives the race director options to act when parts of the car are damaged.

 

For example, under no circumstance should Fernando Alonso have been allowed to start lap 2 of the Malaysian Grand Prix in 2013 with his wing bouncing off the track.

 

Unfortunately in F1, Murray Walker's old adage that 'in F1 anything can happen and it usually does' also applies to the enforcement of the regulations by the race director.
 

 

It might be a bit of a stretch to apply these existing rules to something like what happened with Button's wing in Singapore, though. After all, in such cases the debris is no longer part of the car.

 

 

I remember the Williams cars continue a Canadian GP with the mirrors bouncing and dangling around. Was early '00 if I remember correctly. No meatballs were shown, while even a mirror with housing could inflict serious pain.

[Clatter]

I remember the Williams cars continue a Canadian GP with the mirrors bouncing and dangling around. Was early '00 if I remember correctly. No meatballs were shown, while even a mirror with housing could inflict serious pain.

How about KR's exhaust hanging off the Ferrari. The only ones who couldn't seem to see the danger were those involved.

[ardbeg]

How about KR's exhaust hanging off the Ferrari. The only ones who couldn't seem to see the danger were those involved.

Another team, another driver, it would be a penalty. FiA took a huge risk there.

[Jon83]

Maybe the FIA should impose a five race ban for farting.

 

So ban the McLaren Honda altogether then?
 

[maximilian]

There should be penalties for farting in the cockpit.

[Dipster]

Maybe the FIA should impose a five race ban for farting.

Slightly off topic but the first time I saw a Red Bull pit crew member working on a car I thought I read "Red Bull gives you wind" written across his uniform just above his backside............

[BillBald]

Slightly off topic but the first time I saw a Red Bull pit crew member working on a car I thought I read "Red Bull gives you wind" written across his uniform just above his backside............

 

SLIGHTLY off topic?

 

I don't see much merit in this idea, but I've sometimes thought that a driver should get a grid penalty for bringing out the yellow or red flag in quali.

 

After all, they get a penalty for blocking one driver, why not a penalty for blocking everyone?

 

And it might put a stop to some 'tactical errors'.

[Jon83]

Life ban for Grosjean then?