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#101 YoungGun

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 11:22

You're not thinking it through.

 

Creating a livery is so much more than some talented people submitted very appealing designs in thread on this forum.

 

Entrants would have to be aware of sponsorship deals new/existing deals and placements. They'd need to be aware of the car design so their entries could flow along the cars lines and shape.

 

It just couldn't happen, not now or with more time. It isn't feasible. 

 

Helmet designs yes, car design no.

 

Edit: Also isn't the Ferrari livery still owned by Philip Morris? Or something along those lines.

 

 

That's what guidelines and rules are for. :)



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#102 RedBaron

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 11:39

That's what guidelines and rules are for. :)

 

 

Ok so you think Ferrari would release the shape/design of their car early so fans can create a livery for it and they'd also announce any sponsorship deals that may also come with the car launch early too, so the internet can incorporate them into the design.

 

Got it  :p

 

Edit: And they can't just release a side on view like the one used in the livery thread it would have to be rear/front/side/birds eye. As the livery has to work from all angles not just a side on view (which is arguably easy to achieve compared to a real 3D car)


Edited by RedBaron, 18 January 2016 - 11:41.


#103 YoungGun

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 13:36

Ok so you think Ferrari would release the shape/design of their car early so fans can create a livery for it and they'd also announce any sponsorship deals that may also come with the car launch early too, so the internet can incorporate them into the design.

 

Got it  :p

 

Edit: And they can't just release a side on view like the one used in the livery thread it would have to be rear/front/side/birds eye. As the livery has to work from all angles not just a side on view (which is arguably easy to achieve compared to a real 3D car)

 

No, what I am saying is with standardized guidelines and rules up front a design/concept, mock-up can be created. The simplest way to explain this is that we are quite regularly challenged with coming up with a concept/design that works well across a broad range of vehicles (car, van, cube truck). Of course final tweaks are always needed. :)


Edited by YoungGun, 18 January 2016 - 13:36.


#104 AlexS

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 16:46

Yeah, this is a very stupid mistake PR wise. 

 

If you build up momentum and suspense you have to offer something in return when it ends not a matrioska.



#105 Seanspeed

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 18:42

Yeah, this is a very stupid mistake PR wise. 

 

If you build up momentum and suspense you have to offer something in return when it ends not a matrioska.

No one will remember this in 3 days. 



#106 turssi

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 23:36

No one will remember this in 3 days.


Remember what?

#107 Exb

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 23:48

Yeah, this is a very stupid mistake PR wise. 
 
If you build up momentum and suspense you have to offer something in return when it ends not a matrioska.


It reminds me of that failed social media launch Mercedes tried a few years ago when so many tweets/likes was supposed to reveal the car - only nothing really happened :p

However I am a bit surprised at how much stick Ferrari are getting over this - it was never going to be the car launch, with 5 weeks to go until testing it is way too early (although maybe Ferrari could have made that clearer when they put out their teasers, maybe then people would have been less disappointed?), and at least they are attempting some kind of fan engagement, something F1 and the teams get a lot of grief for not doing enough of. (As well as being one of the few teams that will actually hold a launch fans can watch - its better than nothing)

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#108 RedOne

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 01:55

So you're winning a chance to go on your computer and watch a video. If it's anything like those launches Ferrari did years ago you will be watching other people watching someone else struggling to talk about a car for an hour.

I'm not fussed myself about car launches because they haven't been any good since McLarens one in 07.

Edited by RedOne, 19 January 2016 - 06:48.


#109 YoungGun

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 08:58

I think it's a clever idea. They say everyone is connected to everyone through 6 people (connections). So the potential here for Ferrari to reach an enormous audience is huge and it costs them nothing.  As a Ferrari fan, I did share ReadySetRed with my connections who through these connections give me access to millions of other eyes,



#110 Marklar

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 15:36

Ferrari did a filming day in Fiorano - in the 2014 car

http://www.grandprix...ns/ns32911.html

#111 MikeV1987

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 15:48

^^ short vid

 

A bit jealous that it looks nice and warm there while its -20c and snowy here. Lame.


Edited by MikeV1987, 19 January 2016 - 15:50.


#112 Exb

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 16:22

Ferrari did a filming day in Fiorano - in the 2014 car

http://www.grandprix...ns/ns32911.html

I don't think it would be a filming day as they only need to do those with current cars - they are allowed to test previous cars (from 2012-2014) - like Red Bull did the show run last week so it won't count as 1 of their 2 2016 filming days (if that is still the regulation - can't say i have checked it this year).
According to GPupdate (which now keeps crashing when I'm trying to grab the link) a spokeperson said it was for correlation purposes.
 
Edit -Sky have the story I can manage to link http://www.skysports...1-gossip-column

Sebastian Vettel was back behind the wheel of a Ferrari F1 car on Tuesday as he took to the Scuderia’s Fiorano test track in the F14-T.
Sky Sports in Italy report that it was not one of the team's filming days, but “a test of correlation between the simulator and the track”.
Vettel’s run in the 2014 Ferrari was approved by the FIA and the German is scheduled to be in action again next week during Pirelli’s wet tyre test at Paul Ricard. (Full story - In Italian)


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#113 YoungGun

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 16:28

^^yes, it indicates it's to correlate simulator and track data. Temperature was 0 degrees C during the test. 



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Posted 19 January 2016 - 16:40

^^ short vid

 

A bit jealous that it looks nice and warm there while its -20c and snowy here. Lame.

It's not warm, it's freezing cold in europe this week.. -3c in Belgium today and according to weather reports it's just above 0 in Fiorano

seems weird to test in such cold temperatures



#115 Exb

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 16:47

It's not warm, it's freezing cold in europe this week.. -3c in Belgium today and according to weather reports it's just above 0 in Fiorano
seems weird to test in such cold temperatures

Getting ready for winter testing :p



#116 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 17:57

F1technical has put Bob Bell as tech adviser for Ferrari's 2015 car. When did that happen?

 

http://www.f1technic.../ferrari-sf15-t


Edited by RYARLE, 19 January 2016 - 18:19.


#117 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 18:14

F1technical has put Bob Bell as tech divisor for Ferrari's 2015 car. When did that happen?

http://www.f1technic.../ferrari-sf15-t


Also, has Jock Clear joined yet?

#118 Marklar

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 18:17

Also, has Jock Clear joined yet?

He left Mercedes on the 31st July. I reckon he joined Ferrari now.



#119 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 18:21

Also, has Jock Clear joined yet?

IMO No.



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#120 YoungGun

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 21:46

Since announcing he was leaving Mercedes, this past Christmas would have been one year that Jock could not work in F1. So I would say he has joined Ferrari.



#121 Marklar

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 21:58

He was working until the summer break in the simulator and race support (instead of the race team), though.

#122 YoungGun

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 22:05

He was working until the summer break in the simulator and race support (instead of the race team), though.

 

Yes, Jock handed in his resignation after the final race of the 2014 season and was moved away from his current responsibilities and put on a 12 month notice period.



#123 Seanspeed

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 23:48

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#124 Ferrari2183

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 04:23

F1technical has put Bob Bell as tech adviser for Ferrari's 2015 car. When did that happen?

http://www.f1technic.../ferrari-sf15-t

Think that's an error. Last I read he was a technical advisor for Marrussia.

#125 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 09:50

Big management change at @ScuderiaFerrari as sporting director Massimo Rivola confirms his move to @insideFDA (via @thebuxtonblog)

 

I wonder if that makes space for Jock Clear?

 

BTW  @insideFDA is the Ferrari Driver Academy



#126 Exb

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 10:00

Think that's an error. Last I read he was a technical advisor for Marrussia.

I thought he also left when Booth and Lowden did?



#127 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 10:16

I thought he also left when Booth and Lowden did?

Correct, he is rumoured to be joining Renault.



#128 plumtree

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 10:58

 

Big management change at @ScuderiaFerrari as sporting director Massimo Rivola confirms his move to @insideFDA (via @thebuxtonblog)

 

I wonder if that makes space for Jock Clear?

 

BTW  @insideFDA is the Ferrari Driver Academy

 

It was reported by Italian media during the Brazil weekend. According to them Diego Loverno will be promoted to replace him.

From what I understand, last year Allison had to cover the supposed Jock Clear's job temporarily. This year with Jock taking his track side work, Allison will be able to spend more time in the factory. 

Here are the links I posted in the previous thread. 
http://www.omnicorse...esciuto-in-casa
http://www.omnicorse...osso-togninalli



#129 YoungGun

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 11:19

 

Big management change at @ScuderiaFerrari as sporting director Massimo Rivola confirms his move to @insideFDA (via @thebuxtonblog)

 

I wonder if that makes space for Jock Clear?

 

BTW  @insideFDA is the Ferrari Driver Academy

 

 

Luca Baldisserri left the Ferrari Driver Academy to manage Lance Stroll's career. Rivola is his replacement.



#130 Marklar

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 13:06

Some Analysis on the engine

#131 cokata

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 14:56

The fuel has to be pretty special to avoid knock. I doubt they will be able to push CR so much that the fuel will auto-ignite at or around TDC. 



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Posted 21 January 2016 - 07:36

 

These are the main points of the said article

 

300 bar pressure

It is suggested that chief designer Lorenzo Sassi has pushed for an innovative direction, both in terms of packaging but also in terms of performance.

One target that has been set has been to reach a 300 bar pressure in the combustion chamber, much higher than last year's figures that were understood to be around 220-240 bar.

 

Operating like a diesel

Ferrari's aim is to reduce the ignition time, and make the engine operate in a similar way to a diesel with auto-combustion.

If you can get the fuel to burn before the ignition spark, through high pressure within the chamber, then that will deliver a substantial increase in power. It's easy to say but very complicated to carry out.

 

Variable intake trumpets

Achieving that target can be improved by bringing fresh air inside the combustion chamber, and Ferrari has decided to optimise this area with variable geometry.

Although variable intake trumpets were banned in 2014, they were allowed from last year, although Ferrari did not pursue that route initially.

Last year, Ferrari has its compressor and intercooler between the cylinder banks but these are now set to be moved to make way for the variable intake trumpets. There will also be bigger air and water intercoolers than last year.

 

Temperature issues

Higher pressure inside the combustion chamber to create auto combustion will obviously result in higher operating temperatures – perhaps up to 1100 degrees Centigrade.

This is why cooling has become a big focus too – especially with there being a limit of five engines for the 21 grands prix scheduled to take place this year.

 

 

These all sounds encouraging and all, but I would like to know first if all of these are true. Or there is a bit of chance that these really are what Ferrari's doing.  :yawnface: 



#133 YoungGun

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Posted 21 January 2016 - 21:04

Mercedes is on the same development path according to this article

 

http://www.f1analisi...6-parola-d.html



#134 AlexS

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Posted 22 January 2016 - 00:05

Motorsport now owns Omnicorse so they are just more or less copying pasting the Omnicorse article.



#135 Abranet

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 10:34

http://www.gptoday.c..._test_in_Italy/

 

Car passes the crash test, we'll deffo be making testing at least then  :clap:



#136 Exb

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 10:49

From the tyre test coverage:http://directo.laf1.es/

We have found a new face at Ferrari. Jock Clear debuts as director of engineering for the first time wears the colors of the Scuderia.


Edited by Exb, 25 January 2016 - 10:50.


#137 Seanspeed

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 10:56

Good stuff on both accounts. :)



#138 Ferrari2183

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 11:42

Also, the Sauber people are apparently happy with the progress on the new engine.



#139 Marklar

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 14:54

Yeah, apparentely they said that the engine is completely different now.

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#140 shonguiz

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 15:31

A link about the Sauber happiness please ?



#141 Marklar

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 15:58

A link about the Sauber happiness please ?

http://www.gptoday.c...ry/view/552012/

http://www.thisisf1....ngine-ericsson/

Edited by Marklar, 25 January 2016 - 16:00.


#142 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 16:35

From the tyre test coverage:http://directo.laf1.es/
 

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#143 Massa

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 17:42

So weird.. Jock Clear with Ferrari is like Messi at Madrid.



#144 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 17:43

So weird.. Jock Clear with Ferrari is like Messi at Madrid.


It is quite the signing Ferrari has made.

#145 Marklar

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 17:54

I'm a bit amazed how suddenly Jock Clear has become such a big thing

#146 Niceman

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 18:52

He's pretty highly regarded, the length of his garden leave is testament to that.  He will come with the full suite of knowledge on this generation of Mercedes tricks.



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Posted 25 January 2016 - 19:00

He's pretty highly regarded, the length of his garden leave is testament to that. He will come with the full suite of knowledge on this generation of Mercedes tricks.


But none of the vital ones inside the engine..

#148 Niceman

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 19:29

But none of the vital ones inside the engine..

 

I think they have already covered that area off with some hires.  Personally I still think the Merc has some clever suspension tricks that aren't fully known yet.



#149 Vettelari

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 19:36

The more I read, the more I feel comfortable with my prediction for Melbourne. Vettel will be sitting in the pole position as the lights go out for the start of the 2016 season.



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Posted 25 January 2016 - 19:56

The more I read, the more I feel comfortable with my prediction for Melbourne. Vettel will be sitting in the pole position as the lights go out for the start of the 2016 season.

Struggle to see that myself. Over the final 4 races after Ferrari introduced the 2016 ICE, they were on average 0.95% per lap off the Mercs.

If neither side made any further gains over the winter, that equates to a defect of 0.8 in Australia going by last years pole lap...

Ferrari gaining essentially a second per lap over Merc, plus whatever gains they achieve is just not going to happen in an off season with stable regulations.

Edited by Jonnycraig37, 25 January 2016 - 19:57.