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[HistoryFan]

Beside Formula One World Championship of cours.

 

Where do we have young F1 cars racing?

In Boss-GP there is a Williams from 2011.

 

Any other?

[AustinF1]

never mind...

Edited by AustinF1, 17 February 2016 - 16:03.

[Stephane]

you didn't really read the OP, hum

[AustinF1]

Skimmed it. Missed that bit at the top tho. Oh well.

[Volcano70]

I thought the HRT's were to be Run in BOSS GP

[V8 Fireworks]

Beside Formula One World Championship of cours.

 

Where do we have young F1 cars racing?

In Boss-GP there is a Williams from 2011.

 

Any other?

 

No where.  It's such a waste. 

 

The running costs are high, maybe not many can afford it anyway.

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 17 February 2016 - 23:45.

[Dan333SP]

I guess you could say Ferrari's Corsa Clienti program. What's the most recent car running in that group, 2012? Sure, they're not "races", but they're being run on track with other F1 cars driven by private owners. Some take it more seriously than others.

[HistoryFan]

I thought the HRT's were to be Run in BOSS GP

 

Teo Martin is the owner of these HRT, but he never ran the cars in Boss GP. He is now owner of a racing team in International GT Open and Formula 3.5 V8.

 

In Boss GP there are four or five F1 cars expected:

Ligier from 1996 driven by Hans Laub

Toro Rosso from 2006 driven by Ingo Gerstl

Jaguar from 2004 driven by Klaas Zwart

Two Benetton from 1997.

 

At least the Benettons are a little bit developped: Judd engines instead of Supertec and so on.

 

[HistoryFan]

No where.  It's such a waste. 

 

The running costs are high, maybe not many can afford it anyway.

 

Hmm so we have just Boss GP and FIA Historic Formula One and a Historic F1 series in the states? Right?

No races with very old GP cars (before 1950)?

 

[HistoryFan]

News from Boss GP: Vettel's brother Fabian Vettel is racing a GP2 car in Boss GP this weekend

He drives for Ingo Gerstl's Topspeed team which also runs a Toro Rosso F1 car for Gerstl himself.

[RedRabbit]

Without access to moulds or manufacturing facilities to create spare parts, I can't imagine too many old F1 cars see any serious track time in a proper series.

Does seem wasteful, but these are prototype cars after all.

Virtually every race series is customer car oriented, with spares readily available, run by race teams who specialise in tuning and set up, instead of manufacturing.

[HistoryFan]

there're 6 Formula 1 cars entered in Maxx Formula

- Phil Stratford Benetton B197 with a Judd sportscar engine

- Wolfgang Jaksch Toro Rosso STR8

- Wolfgang Jordan Arrows A22

- Klaas Zwart Jaguar R5

- Peter Göllner Sauber C29 with a Cosworth engine

- Patrick Harmuth Toro Rosso STR8

 

Boss GP has up to 6 F1 cars entered

- Ingo Gerstl in a Toro Rosso STR1

- Florian Schnitzenbaum Toro Rosso STR1

- Didier Sirgue Jaguar R2

- Ulf Ehninger Benetton B197 with a Judd sportscar engine

- Thonas Jackermeier Toro Rosso STR1

- Thomas Jakoubek Lotus T127

 

So bring them together and you have a good grid.

[PlatenGlass]

there're 6 Formula 1 cars entered in Maxx Formula
- Phil Stratford Benetton B197 with a Judd sportscar engine
- Wolfgang Jaksch Toro Rosso STR8
- Wolfgang Jordan Arrows A22
- Klaas Zwart Jaguar R5
- Peter Göllner Sauber C29 with a Cosworth engine
- Patrick Harmuth Toro Rosso STR8

Boss GP has up to 6 F1 cars entered
- Ingo Gerstl in a Toro Rosso STR1
- Florian Schnitzenbaum Toro Rosso STR1
- Didier Sirgue Jaguar R2
- Ulf Ehninger Benetton B197 with a Judd sportscar engine
- Thonas Jackermeier Toro Rosso STR1
- Thomas Jakoubek Lotus T127

So bring them together and you have a good grid.

This could be a good post but you've done that thing of not putting the years and assuming people will know from the model numbers. They won't.

[Myrvold]

This could be a good post but you've done that thing of not putting the years and assuming people will know from the model numbers. They won't.

Indeed. Jaguar can be deduced from the number. R2 is 2001, R5 is 2004.
Toro Rosso the same with STR1 being 2006.
Benetton 197 is 1997.

Lotus, Sauber and Arrows is only if you know the numbering and if numbers have been skipped, same chassis used for more than 1 year etc.

Edited by Myrvold, 10 June 2023 - 14:37.

[HistoryFan]

This could be a good post but you've done that thing of not putting the years and assuming people will know from the model numbers. They won't.

 

- Phil Stratford Benetton B197 with a Judd sportscar engine (1997)
- Wolfgang Jaksch Toro Rosso STR8 (2013)
- Wolfgang Jordan Arrows A22 (2001)
- Klaas Zwart Jaguar R5 (2004)
- Peter Göllner Sauber C29 with a Cosworth engine (2010)
- Patrick Harmuth Toro Rosso STR8 (2013)

Boss GP has up to 6 F1 cars entered
- Ingo Gerstl in a Toro Rosso STR1 (2006)
- Florian Schnitzenbaum Toro Rosso STR1 (2006)
- Didier Sirgue Jaguar R2 (2001)
- Ulf Ehninger Benetton B197 with a Judd sportscar engine (1997)
- Thonas Jackermeier Toro Rosso STR1 (2006)
- Thomas Jakoubek Lotus T127 (2010)

[Primo]

 

No races with very old GP cars (before 1950)?

 

Only at Goodwood, I believe.

[Bleu]

Only at Goodwood, I believe.

 

Monaco Historic Grand Prix has a pre-war category. I think the race usually is held only in even years - 1997 and 2021 are the exceptions. 1997 was the first edition and 2021 presumably because of the cancellation of 2020.

[Sterzo]

Vintage Sports Car Club in the UK features all manner of Grand Prix cars. The earliest I can remember off the cuff are 1907 and 1908 Italas, and a 1908 Panhard-Levassor. Twenties GP Bugattis are ten a penny (though not to buy!), thirties Alfa Monzas and P3s appear and every decade until the sixties is represented.

[Beri]

i am quite certain that Ive seen a Mercedes pre war car taken place in a Historic Grand Prix-ish race at Zandvoort. Might (I'd say likely) have been a replica, tho.

[Sterzo]

i am quite certain that Ive seen a Mercedes pre war car taken place in a Historic Grand Prix-ish race at Zandvoort. Might (I'd say likely) have been a replica, tho.

How recently would that be? Colin Crabbe raced a 1937 Mercedes Benz W125 in the seventies. Philip Mann raced the 1914 Grand Prix-winning Mercedes in the eighties. (I saw him spin it... aaaargh!) There are also some Auto Unions around, though memory of their origins escapes me.