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#101 GMACKIE

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 02:18

Purely a 'memory flash', but I think that Consul had a supercharged 4 cyl. engine.



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#102 Wirra

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 02:47

...- we used a 'runner' to deliver the ignition key, from the other side of the track. The drivers were belted up, ready to start, when handed their key.

 

But, of course you had the real key, or a spare, already in the ignition and simply hit the starter with your left hand as soon as you grabbed the runner's dummy key with your right hand.



#103 seldo

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 04:17

Purely a 'memory flash', but I think that Consul had a supercharged 4 cyl. engine.

...and a spare packet of con-rods in the glove-box...  ;)

#104 cooper997

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 06:28

Sundays pic from Catalina. Date unknown

 

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At the moment dating this is a little difficult, but obviously early in Catalina's history. If Bob is sitting on other photos taken at the same corner/same unknown meeting then the gap might narrow.

 

I have found '19  L Longmore Zephyr spl 2424' listed in the first CP meeting of February 1961, same again in the June 61 programme. But that was cancelled due to fog and rescheduled for July 61 without reprinting a programme. So depends if Longmore could make an appearance on July 9. Moving into 1962 and the January meeting has '19 L J Longmore Langsford 2424' All found within Gran Turismo events. Lighting of the photo tends to suggest decent sunny weather when it was taken..

 

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#105 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 10:31

But it's a Consul...

I have no doubt it would have been entered as a Consul.

#106 Ian G

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 10:45

Not that it matters but weren't the Consuls renamed Zephyr 4  somewhere along the line?. 



#107 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 13:45

With the coming of the Mk 3s, as I recall...

About ten years after this one was created.

#108 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 20:27

But it's a Consul...

I have no doubt it would have been entered as a Consul.

The 2424cc is a bit odd too, about 200cc bigger than a Zephyr Mk1 engines, smaller than 1500x 1.7= 2550. Unless it was maybe a Mk2 engine though they are a little bigger than 2424 also.

Weird! And yes the car is defenitly a Consul



#109 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 21:00

And it was an era in which there were no 'equivalency' factors...

They came in some time during the sixties.

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 21:21

Monday 21st pic.     From Bathurst.

 

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#111 BUCKLECOUPE

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 21:28

And it was an era in which there were no 'equivalency' factors...

They came in some time during the sixties.

I have a photo somewhere. if I can find it. Longmore cut the roof down and made it into a 2 door and still was painted red and white.

He was in Sydney?   Zephyr/Consul workshop/speed shop in the 1950s >>



#112 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 21:50

Originally posted by BUCKLECOUPE
Monday 21st pic.     From Bathurst.
 
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Ian Geoghegan winning the last race of the day...

He beat Dick Newell's Buckle by seven seconds or so, Bill March was third. Bill March bought the Geoghegan car a year or so later and still owns it.

Bob, do you have a record of radio/TV personality and later Cinema owner Keith Walshe racing a Buckle in '61 or '62?

#113 GMACKIE

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 22:17

But, of course you had the real key, or a spare, already in the ignition and simply hit the starter with your left hand as soon as you grabbed the runner's dummy key with your right hand.

That's what you may have tried, Wirra...but it would not have worked. There were 'officials' checking each car for such tricks.  ;)



#114 BUCKLECOUPE

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 22:33

Ian Geoghegan winning the last race of the day...

He beat Dick Newell's Buckle by seven seconds or so, Bill March was third. Bill March bought the Geoghegan car a year or so later and still owns it.

Bob, do you have a record of radio/TV personality and later Cinema owner Keith Walshe racing a Buckle in '61 or '62?

Ray,  1958ish KEITH WALSHE was on radio and TVs Teen Time show etc.. Took me 4 years to find a photo of him.  He race at Silverdale hill climb & one down Wollongong way. 
Brian Lawler bought his white Buckle and it was Brians 1st Buckle he raced.    :clap:  Would like more info and photos of Keith and Buckle.  Been told they did an article with pic in TV Times? Weekly back in 1960ish.  This is the only pic of his car we have on the website.    Not sure if he had an "E" on the end of his name.

MIKE WALSHE TV star owned the Richmond Cinema in NSW.. Bob

 

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#115 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 23:33

Okay, I got my Walshes mixed up...

If I come across the reference again I'll let you know, I made a note about it one day when I was scouring AMS for something else.

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 01:59

Dick Willis, who can't post at the moment, has asked me to confirm about the Consul:

It's a Consul into which a Zephyr engine has been shoehorned. He's sure the engine was cut back into the firewall, "Probably a fair way, too."

Clearly a bored-out Mk 1 Zephyr engine, no superchargers.

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 03:16

... ultimately called the "Langsford"

#118 seldo

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 04:54

The 2424cc is a bit odd too, about 200cc bigger than a Zephyr Mk1 engines, smaller than 1500x 1.7= 2550. Unless it was maybe a Mk2 engine though they are a little bigger than 2424 also.
Weird! And yes the car is defenitly a Consul

Couldn't help myself - It works out at 0.123" or 3.13mm overbore... Quite do-able I'd have thought.

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 05:38

The 2 door Consul/Zephyr I mentioned earlier.   Catalina .

 

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 05:43

Wednesday pic is from Bathurst. Easter 1963

 

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Guys, any ID on this previous photo ?



#121 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 06:34

Couldn't help myself - It works out at 0.123" or 3.13mm overbore... Quite do-able I'd have thought.

From [very vague] memory the Mk 1 was 3 1/8 bore 138 or 2262 cc and Mk2s were 3 1/4 155ci or 2550 cc.



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Posted 21 March 2016 - 06:36

The 2 door Consul/Zephyr I mentioned earlier.   Catalina .

 

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Now there is a back seat driver!

Quite a few chopped and channeled cars were raced in the 60s and even 70s. Dont fit the rule books now.



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Posted 21 March 2016 - 06:37

Guys, any ID on this previous photo ?

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#124 BUCKLECOUPE

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 20:16

Tuesdays pic from Bathurst.  "Sideway Sid."

 

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 23:50

Looking at a reference book here, the mk1 Consul and Zephyr had the same bore and stroke, one a 4 pot the other 6. Capacities given as 1508cc and 2262, probably with common bore centres, like later engines. Remember too that there was a convertible version of each. Still with three on a tree, although ISTR a floor change as an option
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Posted 22 March 2016 - 04:20

Dick Willis, who can't post at the moment, has asked me to confirm about the Consul:

It's a Consul into which a Zephyr engine has been shoehorned. He's sure the engine was cut back into the firewall, "Probably a fair way, too."

Clearly a bored-out Mk 1 Zephyr engine, no superchargers.

I cannot get the 'picture' out of my head, of a supercharged Consul engine in a car. If it wasn't in the Consul shown in post #91 [before it became a 2 door, with Zephyr engine], maybe it's another car I'm thinking of ? At the time it seemed a bit scary...it still does. :well:



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 04:39

Wonder where the Langsford is now or what became of it?

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 05:17

I thought I had another pic of the Langsford from Catalina.

 

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#129 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 10:02

Looking at a reference book here, the mk1 Consul and Zephyr had the same bore and stroke, one a 4 pot the other 6. Capacities given as 1508cc and 2262, probably with common bore centres, like later engines. Remember too that there was a convertible version of each. Still with three on a tree, although ISTR a floor change as an option
Roger Lund

Mk1 Consul convert?  Only Zephyrs I feel sure.

There was a few sold here, a friend had the renmants of one not so long ago.



#130 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 10:03

I thought I had another pic of the Langsford from Catalina.

 

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Dont like the front but side on it does have some appeal.



#131 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 11:12

What really surprises me about this 'Langsford' is that I've never heard of it!

Just before my time, and this last pic into eclipsing my time, but still before I ever went to Catalina. Such an outlandish looking car, one would think it would have rated a mention somewhere that I'd have seen.

I notice, too, that the Langsford has just the same as the Consul (I'll refer to them separately this way) the cool air intake on the left side of the bonnet and in roughly the same spot. I think we can take it from that the builder wasn't looking for anything other than cool air for the intake rather than an intake for a supercharger.

But I wouldn't be surprised. Greg's 'memory flash' might well be right and maybe the pic of the Consul is from a meeting other than those mentioned by Stephen. But there's not many meetings he hasn't mentioned there leading up to the October '62 one.

And there's also Dick's recollection, but now I'm not actually sure whether he meant the Consul or the Langsford, of which we didn't have a picture until after I'd spoken to him.

Whichever way it was, however, this Longmore chap certainly had an interesting way of going about his racing and there's no wondering why Bob is fascinated by his cars...

#132 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 11:19

What really surprises me about this 'Langsford' is that I've never heard of it!

Just before my time, and this last pic into eclipsing my time, but still before I ever went to Catalina. Such an outlandish looking car, one would think it would have rated a mention somewhere that I'd have seen.

I notice, too, that the Langsford has just the same as the Consul (I'll refer to them separately this way) the cool air intake on the left side of the bonnet and in roughly the same spot. I think we can take it from that the builder wasn't looking for anything other than cool air for the intake rather than an intake for a supercharger.

But I wouldn't be surprised. Greg's 'memory flash' might well be right and maybe the pic of the Consul is from a meeting other than those mentioned by Stephen. But there's not many meetings he hasn't mentioned there leading up to the October '62 one.

And there's also Dick's recollection, but now I'm not actually sure whether he meant the Consul or the Langsford, of which we didn't have a picture until after I'd spoken to him.

Whichever way it was, however, this Longmore chap certainly had an interesting way of going about his racing and there's no wondering why Bob is fascinated by his cars...

Also about the place to feed a 6 cyl carbs, as someone said a Zephyr engine set well back.



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 13:14

What really surprises me about this 'Langsford' is that I've never heard of it!
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Don't feel bad Ray - you're not Robinson Cruso...

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 19:40

I can remember the Langford racing at the Farm on the GP Circuit as well as at Catalina.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 20:39

Wednesdays pic from Catalina 3/1963

 

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 20:52

Mk1 Consul convert?  Only Zephyrs I feel sure.

There was a few sold here, a friend had the renmants of one not so long ago.

Lee.I think you are correct, only Zephyrs Mk1 had sedans and convertibles.  One convertible raced here, have a photo of it somewhere.  A guy I know has 2 red convertibles, both registered in NSW. Ron Hodgson had one back in the late 50s.  Bill Buckle bought a convertible back in 1958ish which had the Mays head and overdrive gearbox, he put all the good gear in his grey & white Buckle and went hill climbing. Bob



#137 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 21:10

Today's photo: Possibly Brian Lawler in the Vincent-powered Cooper?

Yesterday's photo was apparently taken on practice day, the Clyde Hodgins Daimler in the background never raced against the Howard Nota.

#138 BUCKLECOUPE

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 21:19

Found it... Do not know where this was shot.  I have the original old photo, faded as you can see.  Car #16 and has NSW license plates ATG083

This one should get you thinking. Hoddo had a pinky salmon one.

 

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#139 GMACKIE

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 21:28

Mk1 Consul convert?  Only Zephyrs I feel sure.

There was a few sold here, a friend had the renmants of one not so long ago.

There was a Mk1 Consul convertible available, as well as the Zephyr.



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#140 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 21:54

Now you mention it, I feel sure I have a photo somewhere of a Consul convertible on the grid at Leyburn...

I'll see if I can find it.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 22:05

And while you're looking, see if it has a supercharger...  ;)



#142 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 23:35

Here you go, no potential for saying whether or not it was blown..

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Obviously it raced in a classy field... here's another one:

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This is from a batch of pics an old bloke gave me in Caboolture about 16 or 17 years ago. Maybe I should post some more, showing that a Box Brownie was relatively useful?

Or maybe I've already posted some on this thread?



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 23:53

...hehe...love the head-light protection...or is it stream-lining... Looks like corrugated-cardboard.
And what about all the brute power on that grid... But, at least they were there having a go, and I was still in school

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 00:10

Here you go, no potential for saying whether or not it was blown..








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"Maybe I should post some more, showing that a Box Brownie was relatively useful?"

Yes please.   :clap: 


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#145 Paul Newby

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 00:56

The Zephyr Convertible is being driven by John Passmore. The circuit is Gnoo Blas and the year is 1955.

 

There is a colour photo of the Coronation Blue Zephyr in the Graham Howard and Stewart Wilson; "Australian Touring Car Championship - 25 Fabulous Years" book.

 

Sorry I tried to quote the original post with the photo - but it didn't work? :well:
 


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#146 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 01:07

You call that leftover cardboard streamlining?

This is streamlining!

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By the way, I calculated that those prefects and Anglias would have been on maximum revs for 72% of the lap at Leyburn. Ask anyone who's been there.

And does anyone know what (and whose) this car might be?

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#147 Dick Willis

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 01:40

Lola 5000 would know this one, the Firth built MG/Holden special.



#148 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 01:47

...hehe...love the head-light protection...or is it stream-lining... Looks like corrugated-cardboard.
And what about all the brute power on that grid... But, at least they were there having a go, and I was still in school

Now in that field the Consul would be very fast, best power, best handling and best brakes. Read also most modern!



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 05:27

#146     That is the quickest looking #37 Fiat 1100 I have ever seen. Looks like it doing 100mph standing still.

Why don't our V8 Super cars have fronts like this.

 

#138     Thanks Paul for the ID of the Zephyr convertible



#150 Wirra

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 06:05

Note also the tape around the windscreen on the FIAT 1100.. Aerodynamics or an attempt to minimise breakage?

 

I remember, pre laminated screens, when passing a car on a gravel road the driver and passenger would place their hands on the windscreen following the theory that shocks from flying stones could be transmitted to the hand and reduce incicidences of windscreen shatter.