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#1851 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 06:21

I don't know why you're discussing the red markings etc...

 

I said when I posted the pic that this was the Roberts/Watson car, no questions asked.



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#1852 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 06:21

I don't know why you're discussing the red markings etc...

 

I said when I posted the pic that this was the Roberts/Watson car, no questions asked.



#1853 GeoffR

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 07:06

The Monaro with the green stripes was 25D. Found a pic of it but can't post it, or link that shows it here. Links is https://encrypted-tb...heRgNItw-6dKqlr



#1854 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 12:16

Originally posted by cooper997
Another Bathurst is run and won. But yesterday it was 50 years since Holden won their first 'Bathurst' title. Privateer Bruce McPhee having his name etched into Bathurst folklore driving his Warwick Yellow Monaro 327 to victory.
 
Not sure if it's Bruce in the middle,of this group of 3 Monaros (keener eyes than mine can sort that out). However, that's Muir/Reynolds 25D Monaro - the third McKay/Holden Dealer Racing Team car at the rear of this group.
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As you can see by the post which started all this discussion, that was understood from the beginning.

The only cars in question are the two in the distance.




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#1855 bradbury west

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 14:04

Anyone with an interest in the early U.K. activities of Tom Sulman should look at the new Salome thread in the Historical Research section.
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#1856 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 October 2018 - 12:01

Here's a picture of the last sports car to contest the Australian Grand Prix...

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Jeff Dunkerton, Lotus 7 Series 2. It's said that this pic is from the Grand Prix.

Can anyone tell me where this pic was taken? I've never seen this angle at Caversham before.




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#1857 Repco22

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Posted 24 October 2018 - 13:40

Jeff Dunkerton, Lotus 7 Series 2. It's said that this pic is from the Grand Prix.

Can anyone tell me where this pic was taken? I've never seen this angle at Caversham before.




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Ray, Craven A Corner was previously Bugatti Corner. The viewpoint is a little earlier than usual.Yes, looks like the '62 AGP.


Edited by Repco22, 24 October 2018 - 13:42.


#1858 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 October 2018 - 21:32

Thanks, Rod...

Like I said, I've never seen that angle before, though I suspect that there are plenty from the other side of the track at that point.

And, of course, Terry's book only lists the corners from an earlier time. After all, who would want to give credence to Craven A?

#1859 Repco22

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Posted 24 October 2018 - 23:54

Thanks, Rod...

Like I said, I've never seen that angle before, though I suspect that there are plenty from the other side of the track at that point.

And, of course, Terry's book only lists the corners from an earlier time. After all, who would want to give credence to Craven A?

Actually, not that many from the inside of the corner Ray. There was always a bigger crowd on the outside and most shots were taken from there towards
the apex which Jeff is still approaching in the above pic.



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#1860 ken devine

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 00:37

That's one of a number of shots given to me after the AGP taken on Bugatti corner the car would have been entering the corner.  



#1861 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 05:45

How far back would the photo of Bob Holden in Terry's book be, gentlemen?

I always figured that pic was pretty close to the entry to Bugatti...

#1862 ken devine

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 05:50

Ray i am not sure what photo you are referring to but Bob Holden raced in WA at the 1957 AGP and is in the shot with Lukey and Anderson.



#1863 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 06:55

Hmmm...

I'm not at home at the moment. Maybe the Lou Kingsley shot?

#1864 ken devine

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 08:53

The Peugeot following Lou Kingsley is Bob Annear also 1957.



#1865 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 11:24

But where on the circuit?

#1866 ken devine

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 23:46

Ray it looks to me that it is entering Bugatti corner taken from inside the track. 



#1867 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 October 2018 - 02:41

That's what I thought, Ken...

So from just opposite where the Dunkerton shot was taken, or not far away.





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#1868 ken devine

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Posted 26 October 2018 - 09:44

That's about right Ray.



#1869 MarkBisset

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Posted 26 October 2018 - 21:38

Some more photos- 'butt shots', from Bob Kings archive. Many are by Spencer Wills- can anybody tell us a bit about him please?
https://primotipo.co...le-by-bob-king/
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Posted 27 October 2018 - 00:39

Pic of Saywell pit stop is not Bathurst Easter 1939 but Lobethal January 1939. Bathurst pits lhs of road, Lobethal's rhs of road



#1871 MarkBisset

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Posted 28 October 2018 - 09:47

Thanks John,
have changed the caption accordingly
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#1872 MarkBisset

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 09:45


1938 South Australian GP weekend, Lobethal and related.

Some top shots in this one I think from several archives

https://primotipo.co...an-gp-lobethal/

Mark

#1873 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 10:37

'Top shots' is right!

I'm rather interested in this one, Mark:

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If it were Mill Corner, which is the turn into the main street, I'm sure there would be houses etc in the background. I think it might be Kayannie.

#1874 MarkBisset

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Posted 10 November 2018 - 02:20

Ray,
Really dunno- I used the caption as was- not saying it's right tho. If you do know in some cases exactly where some of the cars are I'd love to drop the details into the captions, when you have the time. Phone will be the easiest way to do it, there are so many shots. I'd actually finished the article and then Bob King got back from a trip to the US and carpet-bombed my inbox- there is more to go, I've got a '39 AGP story done but will not put it up for a while- this Lobethal one is probably a bit soon after the 'First ATCC' one!
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#1875 cooper997

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Posted 10 November 2018 - 06:00

In Tony Parkinson's Legends of Lobethal booklet there's an almost identical placed photo of Murphy's #20 MG P Type. Signpost and windmill can be picked out in both. Just to throw another into the ring, caption for it is quoted as Mt Torrens corner.

 

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#1876 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 16:31

Yes, it's Mt Torrens...

 

The sandbags around the signpost are unique to that corner.



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Posted 19 November 2018 - 03:07

For lovers of 1950s Italian GP machinery feast your eyes on this.

 

A brilliant array of Fred Pearse photos posted by Peter Reynell on Facebook. All appear to relate to the Monday, Januar 31, 1955 Gnoo Blas meeting - with comments from M Bisset, J Medley, B King, G Smith, etc to fill in the blanks..

others here...https://www.facebook...3&theater&ifg=1

 

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#1878 ellrosso

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 06:43

Wow, what a classic shot! Fantastic......



#1879 cooper997

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 08:20

Indeed some ripper(s), Lindsay.

 

And then there's more direct from Fred's album today. Magic stuff

https://www.facebook...3&theater&ifg=1

 

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#1880 MarkBisset

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 08:52

Stephen,
Have another look- there is an even more stunning array today posted by the same fellow- they all deserve the TNF in depth treatment mind you.
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#1881 Ray Bell

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 09:56

Yes, some very interesting pics...

 

Someone should explain to Peter Reynell that he will get better size out of the pics if he uses a digital camera rather than a scanner, though someone with a scanner with good options could get them up to size as well.



#1882 Paul Parker

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 14:27

1938 South Australian GP weekend, Lobethal and related.

Some top shots in this one I think from several archives

https://primotipo.co...an-gp-lobethal/

Mark

 

Fabulous pictures from long ago, thank you.

 

What stood out for me was that the Lobethal circuit map looked very similar to the post WW2 Spa Francorchamps, it even had a similar lap distance, Spa being 8.76 miles in period.



#1883 Ray Bell

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 15:04

And a similar lap time for similar cars...



#1884 MarkBisset

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Posted 20 November 2018 - 10:55

Guys,
Penrith 1928. Intrigued to know about the cars/drivers especially Bridget Wynne
Love the photos.
https://primotipo.co...nrith-speedway/
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Edited by MarkBisset, 20 November 2018 - 11:30.


#1885 MarkBisset

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Posted 23 November 2018 - 23:23

Mallala early days.

I've packaged up quite a few shots from Clem Smith's Collection popped up on Bobs FB page in recent weeks by his son Brenton, and a few 'ring ins'. Worth a look perhaps.

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https://primotipo.co.../11/23/mallala/

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 06:46

Yes, its the same car but earlier in Keith's ownership before it acquired the wider wheels and flared mudguards.

I am working on (yet another) history of this D type (many written already). I would love to know more about Keith Russell. I did speak to him decades ago about an XK120 he had owned and which by that time I owned. Is Keith still around? The D was advertised for sale by Keith in the SMH in January 1967 - is this photo definitely from 1967? There was a Keith Maurice Russell of 22 Coral Avenue. Padstow who was a spray painter by trade - would that have been him?



#1887 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 12:41

Mallala early days.

I've packaged up quite a few shots from Clem Smith's Collection popped up on Bobs FB page in recent weeks by his son Brenton, and a few 'ring ins'. Worth a look perhaps.

M

https://primotipo.co.../11/23/mallala/

I find all of this interesting. I have known Clem since around 1962 as a friend/ aquaintance of my father when we had SCCSA mud sprints in our bottom paddock/swamp where the Happy Valley reservoir leaked.

And have been sometime longtime competitor against Clem, Brenton and Clems son in law John Cook over a couple of decades. Brenton and I [and Cooky] have been in competition in the car trade  for a long period. Brenton has retired on his inheritance a year or two earlier than usual. We are both of similar age with John a year or two older with his son Scott quite succesfull in Improved Production cars.

I have seen most of those pics, I have been around the edges of speedway also where Clem was succesfull most of my life. And I have played Classic Speedway for over 25 years.


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Posted 02 December 2018 - 05:56

I've just been prepping some new shots for the website and came across the shot of Max Stewart in the Mildren Waggott (Brabham) slipping under Clive Millis at W Farm in November 1971 and again noticed the difference in rear wing angles (as per the Lotus 39 thread - I've done some shots of Leo in the '39 to put on there later). Dick Simpson took a few from the same angle - interesting to see the different wing angles etc from back then (plus some front on angles for another perspective)10742-F-MStew-71-lo.jpg10741-F-Surt-71-lo.jpg10744-F-JMac-71-lo.jpg10745-F-Hami-71-lo.jpg10746-F-Bart-71-lo.jpg10740-F-Harv-71-lo.jpg10738-F-Surt-71-lo.jpg



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Posted 02 December 2018 - 06:24

A couple of minor corrections: the car Surtees was driving in the two photos was a Surtees TS8, not TS5. Also, the date on the captions has to be wrong as 31st November cannot exist. ORC gives the date as 21st November:

https://www.oldracin...php?RaceID=AU71

#1890 ellrosso

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 06:30

Thanks Tim, will adjust the captions.



#1891 MarkBisset

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 06:59

Thanks Lindsay- some marvellous shots from Dick.
All those wing shots are interesting- even in 12 months you can see the trend to mount the wings further back- it became extreme in 1973 didn't it and then overhang rules came into play. Love the shot of Max and Clive and Harves in the BT36- there seem so few photos of that car.
The MR5 is neat in the way the engine cover (and the little tank which forms the rear section of of the cover you can just see) 'flows' the air onto the quite low wing.
Intrigued to hear from the 'aerodynamicists' from amongst us.
Mark

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#1892 ellrosso

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 07:58

Thanks Mark, Dick has such a great collection - all shot from spectator areas on a long lens, not always easy..... The MR5 wing is an interesting one with its channels top and bottom - would be interesting to know whether

they compared it to a traditional wing and discovered any advantage or not.



#1893 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 09:08

I suspect that most of those wings dragged a lot of air and did not do a great deal. They were learning as they went. And with rules that hsd the wings  mounted miles too low. The Millas/Stewart pic has the wings a bit higher than the early 5000 pics with a bit of clear air below them.

And that Surtees looks all wrong!



#1894 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 09:14

That pic of John Harvey in the Jane Brabham, have a look at the tyre deflection, first look has it simply toeing in  a good deal. But it is the tyre twisting on the rim. I am sure the car was wheel aligned correctly! The Max Stewart car with treaded front tyres seems ok. So I guess John was working very hard!

I like all these old pics of car that were  so hi tech then an so lo tech now. But seriously quick cars however.



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Posted 05 December 2018 - 04:24

'Top shots' is right!

I'm rather interested in this one, Mark:

image53.jpg?w=614&h=513

If it were Mill Corner, which is the turn into the main street, I'm sure there would be houses etc in the background. I think it might be Kayannie.

A. C. Lace driving Alta 21 S



#1896 ellrosso

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Posted 08 December 2018 - 05:03

40 years ago at Surfers Paradise Rothmans Series round.10813-F-Allis-78-lo.jpg



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Posted 10 December 2018 - 08:44

Thought these might be of interest to those who haven't seen them before - great nostalgia.....tinged with sadness though. Courtesy 1968 Aust Motor Racing AnnualTasman-Pics-lo.jpgralt-lo.jpg