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#1901 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 21 December 2018 - 21:46

Was there any  rule regarding wing height in that period? All those 5000s seem to have the wing down at the top of the tyres so getting little air over them with drivers head as well as all the engine components disturbing the air.



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#1902 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 December 2018 - 22:23

I'm sure there were height requirements...

 

Further to the Chev installation, they mounted it on a dural plate at the back of the chassis. I think the Holden engine was mounted the same way, but somehow the Leffler/Knott installation didn't work so well and the car was bending in the middle under duress. At Phillip Island it kept tossing oil pump belts as things got out of alignment.

 

Peter Molloy, by the way, referred to the car in this form as 'The Dragster' because it was so quick off the line with its lightness, plentiful power and good traction.



#1903 MarkBisset

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Posted 22 December 2018 - 10:15

JJ was spot on with his conceptual thinking to build amongst other things a 'small F5000' - at the same time he was laying down the P8 Frank Gardner and Bob Marston were adapting the F2 Lola T240 into the T300.
If memory serves (dangerous) the local weight limit was 1250 lbs whereas the US L&M Series was 1350 lbs (?) , so the local cars had a weight advantage. Be interesting to know the in period weights of the class of '72 for example.

#1904 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 22 December 2018 - 11:39

Could they build a car that light? Even 1350 sounds light to me,, this is talking iron blocks and heads. Plus 200 + lbs of fuel for medium distance races. 1350 dry may be close to the mark I feel.

By the end of the 5000 period with alloy heads and more than a few magnesium parts a little easier,, and a LOT more expensive.



#1905 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 December 2018 - 12:37

The weight limit would have been without fuel...

But with oil and coolant.

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 04:57

Found a few pics which may be of interest while I was digging up shots of John Bowe for New Faces thread. The Brian Bowe Elfin 600 was sold to Ross Ambrose and then to Vic Butler (Tas) - it was advertised in RCN for $5000 (by Ambrose) 1533-H-BBowe-70-lojpg.jpg1513-H-Grid-70-lo.jpg1541-H-Start-70-lo.jpg250-H-ME5-73-lo.jpg253-H-Elf-73-lo.jpg253-H-Elf-73-lo.jpgwith spares and enclosed trailer which was very reasonable, especially when Larry Perkins' Stillwell Elfin 600 FF was in the same classifieds for $4500.....


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#1907 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 10:55

Ross was after a quick sale as he was heading for England...

 

Larry's car was being sold by a car dealer.



#1908 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 00:00

Found a few pics which may be of interest while I was digging up shots of John Bowe for New Faces thread. The Brian Bowe Elfin 600 was sold to Ross Ambrose and then to Vic Butler (Tas) - it was advertised in RCN for $5000 (by Ambrose) 1533-H-BBowe-70-lojpg.jpg1513-H-Grid-70-lo.jpg1541-H-Start-70-lo.jpg250-H-ME5-73-lo.jpg253-H-Elf-73-lo.jpg253-H-Elf-73-lo.jpgwith spares and enclosed trailer which was very reasonable, especially when Larry Perkins' Stillwell Elfin 600 FF was in the same classifieds for $4500.....

I like the Baskerville control tower in the Sports Car pic.



#1909 ellrosso

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 03:41

The trolley bus was originally at Longford and pensioned off to Baskerville when they upgraded.



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Posted 09 January 2019 - 05:24

Few shots of the P4 Ferrari - what a car! One of my all time favourites (except for the spare wheel on the back...)2657-K-P4-68-lo.jpg2660-K-P4-68-lo.jpg9059-F-P4-68-lo.jpg



#1911 MarkBisset

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 11:49

Great shots Lindsay but the last one of Dicks is an absolute pearler! love that photo, it's THE photograph that inspired my crack at an article on '0858' four years ago
https://primotipo.co...canam-350-0858/
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Posted 10 January 2019 - 00:25

The photo of Max Thompson's Elfin 400 at Baskerville shows Bob Wright's Tasma Repco further back on the grid. After lying dormant for decades it has been sold recently and will hopefully be restored.



#1913 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 04:06

Few shots of the P4 Ferrari - what a car! One of my all time favourites (except for the spare wheel on the back...)2657-K-P4-68-lo.jpg2660-K-P4-68-lo.jpg9059-F-P4-68-lo.jpg

I agree totally about the spare wheel. And I supect everyone on here will too. Though it was the rule for a long time.

And I suspect more than a few cheated as well!

What they needed is a space saver spare like way too many new cars have.

At Bathurst one year I do remember a Datsun 1200 having a tyre change I feel just above the cutting using the factory scissor jack. So I guess they had to carry spare wheels as well.



#1914 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 04:10

The trolley bus was originally at Longford and pensioned off to Baskerville when they upgraded.

I doubt the cost of moving it would be less than building a 'normal' building.

I do like the lovely  leggy young lady in front of the Elfin. I wonder what she looks like now? As old as me!



#1915 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 06:15

At Bathurst, or more specifically in the Armstrong 500, the rules were definite about that...

 

Only the tools from the standard toolkit were allowed to be used for the first 100 miles.

 

That's before Datsun 1200s, maybe it was a Datsun 1000?

 

 

 

 

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 06:23

Mark, the P4 W Farm shot is one of my favourites on the ORP website - just a cracking shot. Amazing to think Dick Simpson had all these amazing shots and to my knowledge, never had anything published back then as they were for his own enjoyment. 

Lee, the cost of moving the trolley bus would have been zip I'd imagine as Don Elliot would have looked after that with one of his trucks and one of his cranes. He did so much for Tassy motorsport over and above the racing bit.

Great to hear the Tasma is still alive - Bob's family will be very pleased to hear that.

Before he passed away some 6-7 years ago Bob and I corresponded on a regular basis after striking up a friendship at the HSCC re-union in 2004 (when we launched the ORP website). Really good bloke and a sports car man through and through. Self taught engineer and a prolific reader of anything to do with racing engineering and principles, all the Tasma sports car were very successful, especially the Tasma Climax which Ken Hastings re-named Atom Climax and used to good effect in Victorian racing.

John McCormack actually asked Bob to join him in Adelaide in the early 70's but Bob had his earthmoving hire business and four young kids so he couldn't commit to it. The North West coast racing community were very close and Bob was a well respected part of the scene up there. The Bowe's, Ambrose's, McCormack's, Sternberg's, Gowans', Turnbull's and many more, all knew each other, and socialised, did business etc,etc.254-H-Wri-73-lo.jpg6482-A-Wri-73-lo.jpg



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Posted 10 January 2019 - 19:15

Should also mention the Bob Wright Car Sales was only a short term venture - he went back to the Earthmoving equipment hire. John Bowe had a race (or two) in the Tasma Repco around this time too. The FBW special is interesting - originally Bevan Wylie's Ford 10 Special, Bob saw it lying in a paddock close to where they lived in Burnie, looking forlorn and decided to rescue it. He bought it cheaply and had access to an also cheap Borgward engine. Not a totally straight fit - the carby is visible above the bonnet line (later had a small scoop covering it). It was successful from the outset in Div 2 Sports & Racing (usually Vees and sports car specials, although I remember Graeme Scott ran a standard road E-Type at Symmons in 1968) and Bob had many wins. Sold it to Roger Bradley who did well with it too. Bob also spent a lot of time sorting out the Carter Corvette, which he said was a real pig to drive when he first bought it.1061-H-Borg-68-lo.jpg1438-H-Cart-69-lo.jpg


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#1918 SGM

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 08:06

Ellosso, the FBW special was being restored in Ulverstone Tasmania a few years ago but it hasn't been seen in public as yet. I believe it ended up in Western Australia before returning "home"



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Posted 11 January 2019 - 19:54

Thanks SGM I'll let his daughter know. Great news another car has survived.



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#1920 MarkBisset

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 21:47

Lindsay,
As to the Tasma Repco- trying to remember the story about the derivation of this car? Did it start out as Bill Reynolds shortlived Wren Climax FPF 2.5, or is my old brain playing its tricks again? Top shots of the car. Am sure I read the story on TNF somewhere.
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#1921 Ian G

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 23:08

At Bathurst one year I do remember a Datsun 1200 having a tyre change I feel just above the cutting using the factory scissor jack. So I guess they had to carry spare wheels as well.

 

That was the Bluebird 1200 or 1300,the road wheels(1965/66?) were cracking around the nuts and also where the centre was attached to the rim,extremely dangerous(obviously) as they descend the Mountain.


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#1922 ellrosso

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 23:34

Mark, yes the Wren Climax was commissioned by Brendan Tapp to go up against John McCormack, Brabham Climax BT4 2.5 and David Sternberg in the ex Clark Lotus 32B Climax 2.51400-H-Wren-69-lo.jpg. This story was on TNF somewhere but whether the story and photos have survived I don't know. He ran it in the '69 Gold Star at Syms in 1969 then it was supposedly written off in a towing accident on the way to Bask for private practice. Bob Wright bought the wreck, ran it at Syms once (see pic) and then used it as the basis for the Tasma (if my old memory is correct too!). The body was sold to the Scamp 600cc Honda powered F Libre car driven by Larry Von Bibra - all this stuff is on the ORP website if you want to have a squiz.



#1923 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 10:27

That was the Bluebird 1200 or 1300,the road wheels(1965/66?) were cracking around the nuts and also where the centre was attached to the rim,extremely dangerous(obviously) as they descend the Mountain.

It was a 1200, who I do not remember but not the safest thing to do,, from memory right rear with the car parked to the left.

As for wheels breaking that was far from unusual. Studebakers, Valiants, EH Holdens, Dattos of various models Falcon GTs all did it to some degree or another. And that was on road tyres, race tyres increased the problem quite a lot. That is why XU1s for instance had a heavy centre nibless rim. Otherwise they were quite suspect. Part of the reason for the ROH alloy wheels on the Charger. And then came GpC.



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Posted 15 January 2019 - 05:44

Few random Tassy shots...The Bessant car was Norm Millen's and badly damaged in a road accident. Rebuilt into a very quick machine and raced on the mainland (Vic) as well as Tas. David Sternberg won the F2 section of the Gold Star round at Syms in 1967 (which Cusack won in the Repco Brabham 2.5)239-H-Edm-73-lo.jpg256-H-Moff-74-lo.jpg2683-K-Lo-Alex-67.jpg2686-K-Bess-68-lo.jpg



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Posted 17 January 2019 - 22:43

Great shots as always Lindsay.
Did the BMW sports sedan survive- the Repco in me wonders where the 4.4 came from - and went to?
The Strenberg car is a new one on me, Allen Brown calls it an Alexis Mk6 in ORC- same car raced by Brian Bowe i guess- did it survive? I've certainly never seen such a car in Historics that I recall. Is Strenberg still with us?
I never liked Brut 33 in any way, the stench is memorable I grant you, top shot of Marvs in that livery.
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Posted 18 January 2019 - 03:26

Great shots as always Lindsay.
Did the BMW sports sedan survive- the Repco in me wonders where the 4.4 came from - and went to?
The Strenberg car is a new one on me, Allen Brown calls it an Alexis Mk6 in ORC- same car raced by Brian Bowe i guess- did it survive? I've certainly never seen such a car in Historics that I recall. Is Strenberg still with us?
I never liked Brut 33 in any way, the stench is memorable I grant you, top shot of Marvs in that livery.
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Repco 4.4 into the BT31  Formula one? :smoking:



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Posted 18 January 2019 - 05:02

Not sure what happened to the BMW Mark. I know the Repco 4.4 gave them so much grief with cracking blocks though. They didn't muck around getting a Chev into the ex McCormack Charger. I spoke to David Sternberg a few years back after his daughter ordered prints from his 1967 Gold Star win in the F2 class at Symmons. Not sure if he is still about. I also spoke to Don Elliot and Robin Pare that year too from memory. Don must be a good age now though - have to be pushing 90 odd I'd say. Tony Edmonson would be a good one for you to talk too actually Mark - he still works for Don in Hobart at Elliots Self Storage business. My sister in law is good friends with his wife. 

The Alexis was always referred to as a Lotus Alexis back in the day (not sure why though...). It was sold to Wayne Chintock after Brian Bowe (pics on ORP). He raced it for one season then no idea where it went to after that. JB could ask his Dad actually - might know.



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Posted 20 January 2019 - 03:11

A few shots from the Rothmans Series round at Oran Park in 1978-79. I was at the AIR and Sandown rounds in 1979 and it was a pretty good, especially with the inclusion of the Ensign MN09 and Wolf WR1 F1 cars of Geoff Lees and David Kennedy (Aurora spec of course but still great to hear the 3 litre Cosworth at full noise).

Added a bit of spice to the show and they went quite well against the local F5000's. Gossy did a few laps in the Ensign and clipped a wall bending the front spoiler...... Not sure if he was going to buy it or just buy a drive - didn't go ahead with it though.11231-F-Hami-78-lo.jpg11244-F-Mc-Rae-78-lo.jpg11233-F-Kenn-79-lo.jpg11235-F-Ensign-79-lo.jpg11240-F-Perk-79-lo.jpg11245-F-Goss-79-lo.jpg11248-F-Oran-P-79-lo.jpg


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Posted 20 January 2019 - 06:34

Great photos ,Derek Bell in the silver Lola T430.



#1930 ellrosso

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 09:45

Thanks Lola 5000 - I had no idea he raced in that series. How did he fare?



#1931 Tim Murray

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 09:56

Qualified 11th, finished 8th:

https://www.oldracin...php?RaceID=OR78

#1932 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 11:27

I think he won the award for the most tail-out driving that day...

 

He certainly did give it a footfull.



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Posted 20 January 2019 - 20:56

Photo #4 the Torana A9X,would that be the jane built car or the car Rogers built after the lwt car was destroyed?



#1934 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 21:42

Wasn't the 'Jane-built car' the most likely to be the lightweight?

It looks very much like the ex-Jane car, but you'd need to trace through on meeting dates.

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 02:06

Wasn't the 'Jane-built car' the most likely to be the lightweight?

It looks very much like the ex-Jane car, but you'd need to trace through on meeting dates.

Was a quick car for its class ,was it not rolled of the production line light as it was to a  sports sedan,2 shells were rolled of for Jane?



#1936 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 11:31

I would think that doubtful, but you never know...

All the original batch of hatchback A9Xs were light, I understand.

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 23:17

I knew I had a lot of old photos, and I recently found a folder with some.

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As it used to be ... Warwick Brown trundles through the paddock (Oran Park 1974 Tasman)
 
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Remember crowds?

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Moffat does some gardening during the 1972 HF500.

#1938 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 January 2019 - 06:04

Three great shots!

Keep them coming...

#1939 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 22 January 2019 - 06:21

I would think that doubtful, but you never know...

All the original batch of hatchback A9Xs were light, I understand.

I think you will find that the second batch of A9X hatches [4 doors too?] were a run of shells built less seam sealers, deadeners, less superfluous brackets etc underneath with extra spot welding. I feel the car built for Bob Forbes LeMans effort was the instigator of these shells. Standard shells but missing all the unrequired bits such as parkbrake cable brackets etc. Probably 40 kilos or so. 

Jane was rumoured to have had light pressings but was it ever true? I know there was some light bumpers around for a while. Where the came from I have no idea. Those bumpers are heavy,, a light pressing sans chrome would be very handy.



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#1940 GreenMachine

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Posted 22 January 2019 - 11:07

Thanks Ray, but I have to say that the quality leaves a lot to be desired. I am not sure if it is the shooter, or the scanner having trouble focussing on the film strips. Nevertheless I think they are at least atmospheric ...

A few from the wet 1973 Tasman at Headquarters:

I don't think the firies had much prospect of action
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The track is wet, but it looks like the rain has stopped
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A few close-ups ... and the rain returns
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#1941 GreenMachine

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Posted 22 January 2019 - 11:24

Back to the Oran Park 1974 Tasman meeting. I think all these are from practice.

F5000s ...

Teddy Pilette, Chevron
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Peter Gethin, Chevron
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#1942 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 January 2019 - 11:59

Originally posted by GreenMachine
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I believe this is Matich lining up for the big demolition of McRae...

Round the outside going into Paddock Bend. Not unduly late in the race, IIRC.

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 09:58

... and a few tintops to round out this lot. The first three are Oran Park practice, the last is 1972 HF500.

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Now I had better get back to the shed and see if I can find any more - if the heat permits

 



#1944 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 22:17

... and a few tintops to round out this lot. The first three are Oran Park practice, the last is 1972 HF500.

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Now I had better get back to the shed and see if I can find any more - if the heat permits

 

The HDT beast ended up on speedway. Chris Taylor from Geelong raced it for a year or two. Obviously with a 6 back in it. And started as a buggered rally car! Poor car had a very hard life.

In those days a Torana shell was hard to get and from memory Taylor was a Holden Dealer.


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#1945 MarkBisset

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 08:05

An article and photos in and around the 1973 Oz F2 Championship.
Interested in your recollections especially about Bob Skelton and the Bowin P6. Why didn't Brocky buy a Hart twin-cam, it's not as though he couldn't afford to ?
Mark
https://primotipo.co...s-is-hard-work/

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#1946 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 10:01

I wouldn't be so sure he could have afforded it...

The 'anti-Ford' attitude of his employers was there right from the beginning. He carried Isuzu stickers on the car on at least one occasion because of this.

Bearing that in mind, would it have been smart to spend a bundle more money on getting a Hart engine?

#1947 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 00:18

My thoughts as well. He was not a big name driver then, just an up and comer. Bathurst 73 started the climb. 

And yes hamstrung by a main employer by what he could use as well.

As for engine after reading the story it was a rented car from Ramsay so all Peter and his dad would have done is drive it and do the usual maintenance and set up.



#1948 MarkBisset

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Posted 16 February 2019 - 20:08

Checkout this article on Gerringong Beach
Some great photos in it I think

https://primotipo.co...rringong-beach/

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#1949 MarkBisset

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 23:40

Guys,
I've had a crack at a 'complete list' of the Repco Brabham Engines V8's- in reality it's a work in progress as more information comes from the woodwork.
In that regard interested in your comments, observations or abuse.
Some good shots too.
https://primotipo.co...by-the-numbers/
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#1950 MarkBisset

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 01:34

Guys,
Melbourne enthusiast Chester McKaige has put a swag of his father, George McKaige work up on Bob's FB page this week, well worth trawling thru.
I have popped into an existing article the photographs from the little known June 1950, Balcombe, Mornington Peninsula meeting here;
https://primotipo.co...on-little-alfa/
Do have a look on FB tho- there was also hundreds of interesting hillclimb photos this week.
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