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[Maustinsj]

Just getting in before the thread lock. See you on the other side...

[Joseki]

Just getting in before the thread lock. See you on the other side...

 

I see the light.

[balmybaldwin]

 

I see the light.

Where?

[chhatra]

2017

[oetzi]

I see the light.

Shh. Or it really will be locked.

[ermo]

This thread is hilarious.

[chhatra]

Might sound lame but this thread helps keeps my spirit up during these dark times for Macca.

[mclarensmps]

So McLaren are bringing upgrades at every race. Mobil1 are already 50% through their 2016 dev programme, but Honda have yet to bring anything significant to the table.

Oh I do hope it's worth the wait.

 

It won't be

 

Oh damn that thing that makes the car move!

The bit that's so difficult we can't make it ourselves.

Damn then for not making that the fourth best one so it's on par with our chassis!

Oh

 

Aww, come on, let's talk time signatures: 4/4; 4*/11

Edited by mclarensmps, 08 June 2016 - 21:49.

[alpes]

Yeah, 20hp or so out of 750 was considered 'equality' so 30 out of 1000 should be roughly no difference.

On that basis, 60 out of 950 is twice nothing, which is nothing

But seriously, a tenth always equalled 10hp give or take (usually a bit less than a tenth was accepted currency). And that was before power inflation.

Anyone got any idea why 10hp now is said to be worth twice what it would have been previously?

1. The cars weight was 605 kg now is 705 kg, because of the bigger weight now the cars need more time to reach the point where drag will nullify the power, so the effect of power in laptime is increased.

2. They could use 160 kg fuel per race with refueling now it is 100 kg all at the beginning of the race.
The increased power means more fuel economy equal to less weight in the car from the beginning of te race.

So it used to be 10 hp = 0.1 sec now it is 10 hp = 0.14 sec
All in all I think it is correct

[shonguiz]

Oh waouw, the amount of technical knowledge is mind blowing.

[Alonsofan007]

Albert Fabrega ES

 

Honda estrenará en el #CanadaGP un nuevo turbo en el q gastará 2 tokens, destinado a mejorar eficiencia. Nuevos MGUH pero misma espec.

Translated from Spanish by Bing

 

Honda premiere at the #CanadaGP a new turbo q will spend 2 tokens, to improve efficiency. New MGUH but same specs.

 

 

no tokens on H, probably reliability fix i am guessing

[chhatra]

Every little helps but unless the upgrade is a big one, we will still be behind FI/Williams for the next few races.

Toro Rosso may be beatable as they will have no power upgrades this season.

[keshav]

Are these updates confirmed?

[MrRat]

 

 

no tokens on H, probably reliability fix i am guessing

 

If it's the same spec, I dont think there will be a reliability fix either.

[ppcghost]

Confirmed new turbo for Canada. No horsepower gains. 2 token spend.

 

http://www.motorspor...-canada-751931/

Edited by ppcghost, 09 June 2016 - 04:30.

[TakataDomeNSX]

Confirmed new turbo for Canada. No horsepower gains. 2 token spend.

 

http://www.motorspor...-canada-751931/

 

 

That's good news still I guess. Anything that increases the efficiency of the PU will be beneficial over the whole race.

 

Less fuel save, more time on gas pedal, more positive effect snowballing.

[keshav]

That's good news still I guess. Anything that increases the efficiency of the PU will be beneficial over the whole race.

Less fuel save, more time on gas pedal, more positive effect snowballing.

So, the engine will be less thirsty? Thats good. Specially with the new fuel.

[Pro4TLZZ]

Good news. They need it. Will provide more boost and less fuel saving

[blacky]

Would be interesting if they updated the turbine or the compressor.

Anyway, the big upgrade with the rumoured changes regarding combustion chamber will come after or just before sommer break.

 

Thing is:

Both drivers will need another engine before Spa. A lot of power tracks in the upcoming races.

 

1 PU penalty is realistic.

Edited by blacky, 09 June 2016 - 05:57.

[Pro4TLZZ]

they should put next revolution of upgrade at Great Britain circuit for testing 2 days after the gp.

Edited by Pro4TLZZ, 09 June 2016 - 06:02.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

WOW, New fuel and lubricant and now, a new turbo. It is going to be more than interesting.

 

Edited by RYARLE, 09 June 2016 - 06:04.

[Muzzyf1]

I'd rather efficiency over power that's where it's at

[Rudex]

 

Although a change to the turbo would be expected to deliver a boost to power, Motorsport.com understands that the revisions to the design are actually aimed at improving the harvesting efficiency of the powerunit.

So despite it not bringing an ultimate lift in power, such a change would allow Button and Alonso to have more energy deployment over a lap - which should deliver a decent improvement in lap time.

 

 I supposes with only 2 tokens it is for turbine. More harvesting for MGUH is more energy deployment in the lap. Like motorsport said in the article, they could get improvement in lap time. IF you harvest more energy you can put 160hp more time in lap extra. So you need less power from ICE or atleast gain some lap time. THe MGUH maybe is with some reliability reinforced. With more volume from turbine, the mguh  will work for more time, controlling the heat up, insulination, refrigeration ... it is important.

I hope they can fight with toro rosso, FI and Williams very dificult in this circuit.

 

Pressure charging - From compressor inlet to compressor outlet - 2 tokens

Pressure charging - From turbine inlet to turbine outlet - 2 tokens

Edited by Rudex, 09 June 2016 - 06:32.

[rabbitleader]

Good news. They need it. Will provide more boost and less fuel saving

But there is no boost if there is no extra horsepower, just less coast and lift from enabled from improved fuel efficiency.

Edited by rabbitleader, 09 June 2016 - 06:33.

[Pro4TLZZ]

But there is no boost if there is no extra horsepower, just less coast and lift from enabled from improved fuel efficiency.

. they have more electrical energy to use? no????

[blacky]

You can say more boost in long runs. 

Maybe also the combination of the systems (TC-ICE-ERS) work better together now and the ICE is losing less power.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

Just to mention how precious those gains (Hopefully) would be.

 

Assumption:

 

0.1 from Mobil1 and 0.1 from turbo upgrade could bring 11 seconds of an advantage over the whole race distance. It is good. Hopefully it won't be disappointing in terms of reliability because Canadian GP is tough on powerunits.

[Maustinsj]

LOCK, LOCK, LOCK!!!

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

LOCK, LOCK, LOCK!!!

No, Everybody should read my previous post to get optimistic 

Edited by RYARLE, 09 June 2016 - 08:48.

[Gareth]

Carry on here: http://forums.autosp...mp4-31-part-iv/

 

Enjoy Maustinsj