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[cooper997]

The latest issue of Auto Action has come out in newsagents with part 2 of the Fogarty, John Sheppard feature and Bisset Sinclair Alta feature

 

Couple of sample pages.

 

 

https://autoaction.c...uto-action-1809

 

Stephen

[cooper997]

If you're quick you might still get hold of issue 1810 in hardcopy with Mark Bisset's Bowin design feature based on the career of John Joyce including a brief part on his Lotus stint. Otherwise it's an online issue.

https://autoaction.c...uto-action-1810

 

However, there's a bit of an Indy theme going on in the new Auto Action #1811 spanning 60 years with Scott McLaughlin and Jack Brabham Indy 500 related features by Heath McAlpine and Mark Bisset respectively. 

 

There's also a quick plug for Stephen Mott's Penguin Hillclimb book within. Recently promoted here on TNF.

 

 

https://autoaction.c...uto-action-1811

 

 

Stephen

[Lola5000]

The latest issue of Auto Action has come out in newsagents with part 2 of the Fogarty, John Sheppard feature and Bisset Sinclair Alta feature

 

Couple of sample pages.

 

 

https://autoaction.c...uto-action-1809

 

Stephen

Like so many I wish John would put pen to paper and do more articles or a book on his motor racing , the cars, the drivers ..so much to write .

[Ray Bell]

I feel that he's forgotten more than he can remember...

 

Which is a shame, for as you say, there were so many cars, so many drivers, so many races.

[MarkBisset]

Having had a couple of hours with John last week I didn’t find that at all Ray.

 

He is surrounded by lotsa loving relatives and friends after his loss, I found him great on the nuances of something we are concocting.

 

Give him a yell, then you might consider again what you have written. A whack behind play, especially when the bloke isn’t on the field seems a bit non Marquess of Queensberry olde bean...

 

m

[cooper997]

Slowly the historic movement is wearing down Auto Action's Bruce Williams. Issue 1812 is out today - hardcopy or your device https://autoaction.c...uto-action-1812

 

Tribute to Max Mosley

Whitehead Cooper Jaguar feature - 6 pages

Rob Roy Hillclimb report with Graeme Raper's George Reed Monoskate taking Historic FTD and great photo

Historic Winton report

Chronometric - tribute to Owen Bailey with great Lago Talbot photo

 

And all the news on current racing.

 

 

Stephen

[cooper997]

It was somewhat tongue in cheek when I made my comment of "Slowly the historic movement is wearing down Auto Action's Bruce Williams" in my previous post. Issue 1813's cover seems to have sealed things.

 

It's quite possible Dick Simpson (rasimmo) didn't expect to see his magic BJRT McLaren M6B gracing the cover of a magazine 50 years after snapping John Harvey's commitment at Warwick Farm. But today's issue has it gracing the cover and the Mark Bisset 4 page feature on the car.

 

There's also a Spencer Martin feature from 'the other' Mark... Fogarty.

 

Plus a page on last weekend's Ron Tauranac Tribute meeting in Sydney.

 

https://autoaction.c...uto-action-1813

 

 

 

 

And you can find more from Dick's lens at http://www.oldraceph...m/content/home/

 

 

Stephen

 

[rasimmo]

As a matter of fact Stephen, when I took that photo 50 years and 6 weeks ago I never thought that anyone would ever see them again. I thought they would remain in old shoe boxes on a shelf in my garage for ever. Who would have thought???? I only took them for my own amusement and that became an obsession to take better shots. ( The first ones I took in 1965 were really crap.)

[MarkBisset]

Many thanks for your post Stephen.

 

It was a pleasure catching up with John Sheppard a couple of times to put it together, there was only ever one image in my mind which was going to be ‘the plum’...many thanks to Dick and Lindsay for allowing Bruce to use it.

 

The icing on the cake was no maxi-taxi story this fortnight was big enough to trump it on the cover. Ripper!
 

Love THAT car and THAT shot!
 

m

[cooper997]

As a matter of fact Stephen, when I took that photo 50 years and 6 weeks ago I never thought that anyone would ever see them again. I thought they would remain in old shoe boxes on a shelf in my garage for ever. Who would have thought???? I only took them for my own amusement and that became an obsession to take better shots. ( The first ones I took in 1965 were really crap.)

 

Dick, it has been a longtime in the making, but very worthy and you can be proud with this outcome. All the better that the shoebox was raided in the first place.

 

We on TNF have seen our fair share of your lenmanship, however this Auto Action cover will hopefully see a new group of enthusiasts seek out your efforts. 

 

 

Stephen

[Ray Bell]

A spectator area shot, I feel sure...

 

Congratulations, Dick.

[lyntonh]

Great article Mark,

 

And the best photo ever taken of my all-time favourite race car is the main picture on the cover

of a fortnightly contemporary motorsport news publication.....fifty years later.

 

There's something about that car......

 

Well done Bruce, Mark and Dick.
 

[Ray Bell]

It was just such a photogenic car!

 

The first we ever saw of it was a (relatively tiny) pic of it at Lakeside in a Racing Car News report. It was a shot looking down on the car from up the hill, so the chromed exhaust pipes were clearly seen sweeping up from the back of the engine.

 

Bob and I looked at each other and we both said, "Look at the pipes!"

[cooper997]

Issue 1814 is out with part 2 of the Spencer Martin feature.

 

Mark Bisset tackles the Mildren Brabham BT11A Maserati this issue. Complete with John Ellacott's photographic skills on the Italian lump grafted in the Brabham chassis.

 

 

Plus full coverage of all the recent goings-on 

 

 

Stephen

[MarkBisset]

Thanks Stephen.

 

An obscurity, Bruce was a bit grumpy, after all, it didn’t ever race, then he saw John’s paddock shot and changed his tune. Bless him.

 

What a mighta-been, not that it stopped Alec’s search for engines ‘outside the box’! 
 

m 

[Ray Bell]

Or engines which might help him sell the cars he sold...

[TerryS]

I have just read an interview with John Sheppard by Mark Fogarty on the Auto Action website.. It is dated 1 April 2021, but i seem to have missed it

 

Two errors I believe;

 

It states when Sheppard joined the Geoghegan race team was behind the Parramatta Road car lot. I think they were still at Liverpool.

 

Secondly it states that Geoghegan won his first ATCC in the Cortina GT it was at Lowood. This should be Lakeside.

 

See post #74 for the interview

Edited by TerryS, 09 November 2021 - 00:01.

[Ray Bell]

Right on both counts...

 

They were at Liverpool for at least a couple of years after Sheppard joined them. He replaced, if I have things correctly, Bruce Burr as chief mechanic.

 

A wise move by Tom.

[TerryS]

This is the Geoghegan's Liverpool workshop in 1965

 

65575 - The Geoghegan Pit, Lotus 32, Lotus 23B & Lotus Elan - Geoghegan's Liverpool Premises 1965 - Jim Bertram Collection - AUTOPICS

[Lee Nicolle]

As a matter of fact Stephen, when I took that photo 50 years and 6 weeks ago I never thought that anyone would ever see them again. I thought they would remain in old shoe boxes on a shelf in my garage for ever. Who would have thought???? I only took them for my own amusement and that became an obsession to take better shots. ( The first ones I took in 1965 were really crap.)

I hope you got a few bucks for the photo publish.

[Lee Nicolle]

Great article Mark,

 

And the best photo ever taken of my all-time favourite race car is the main picture on the cover

of a fortnightly contemporary motorsport news publication.....fifty years later.

 

There's something about that car......

 

Well done Bruce, Mark and Dick.
 

The car is gorgeous and it is a great pic.

[Lee Nicolle]

Issue 1814 is out with part 2 of the Spencer Martin feature.

 

Mark Bisset tackles the Mildren Brabham BT11A Maserati this issue. Complete with John Ellacott's photographic skills on the Italian lump grafted in the Brabham chassis.

 

 

Plus full coverage of all the recent goings-on 

 

 

Stephen

Meanwhile Jack was playing with Buicks.

[cooper997]

New Auto Action (#1823) came out on Thursday.

 

A great selection of photos illustrate Mark Bisset's 1963 Lotus at Indy feature over 6 pages. Some photos having been secured via Bruce Williams contact at Ford.

 

 

 

 

Stephen

[TerryS]

The Auto Action interview referred to in post # 67

 

LIVING LEGENDS - JOHN SHEPPARD - Auto Action

Edited by TerryS, 09 November 2021 - 00:00.

[MarkBisset]

I see that Motor has had the pin pulled after publication of the next issue, critically any thoughts of online digitisation of that archive will doubtless be down-the-dunny.

 

Way back in 1971 I got the bug and started buying Modern Motor (Motor), Wheels and Motor Manual, mind you they were all dropped like hot-spuds once I tripped over Sports Car World. Wowee, wasn't that something for all those years!

 

Racing Car News came free via a mates Dad after he'd read it, and Auto Action when it had a feature which appealed. Stuff like Chequered Flag and Cars and Drivers (very sadly, I loved that) came and went. Now we have Wheels, Auto Action, Australian Muscle Car plus all the online shite. Benzina is a new Oz kid on the block if you haven't sussed it. 

 

Isn't it a different world?

 

What did you all read in the day? And more importantly, what, if anything, do you buy now? And why?

 

I buy everything based on content, even the mags I write for. Auto Action is a freebee, but MotorSport, AMC, The Automobile and Benzina are all content based purchase choices. I think from a production perspective the consistent quality of MotorSport and The Automobile are on a different planet. And Magneto, a road/classic car oriented newish entrant is an extraordinary graphic designers wank-fest. The writing is top-shelf too.

 

Anyway, two-Pinots-in, lets raise a glass to celebrate Motor.

 

Another one bites the dust.

 

m

[Martyn Hey]

As a kid in suburban Melbourne in the late 60s-early 70s, first mags I recall buying were those folded newspaper types Motoring News and RodSports. (Picked up a couple on eBay recently on a nostalgic whim.) Of the big mags, Modern Motor was good value for my cents, usually quite fat and a fair amount of pages in colour. Wheels now and then; but Road&Track and Car and Driver were real treats, glossy, loads of colour, muscle car heaven. Bought the chunky HotRod - evocative characters - Mickey Thompson, Snake v Mongoose, Don Garlits and co. A Brit cousin visiting us left me 2 bound years of MotorSport, 69 and 70. Started my MS addiction; have ‘taken’ it monthly ever since!

[Martyn Hey]

Forgot about Motor Manual - bought a few of those back in the late 60s, and yeah Spirts Car World was good for introducing me to exotica like the Bolwell Nagari, which I assumed at the time was another cool Italian job.

[Martyn Hey]

Me again; how could I have missed out Car - even as a 12 year old I appreciated the visual style, layout and photos; and fascinated by these exotic European cars (frequently Italian). Liked the Car Of The Year 1970 issue; colour feature on the Fiat 128 and a glossy insert all about the exciting new Hillman Avenger…(er, woohoo!?). Only drifted away from Car in the 90s, it’s journalistic and design standards were always top notch.

[brucemoxon]

I see that Motor has had the pin pulled after publication of the next issue, critically any thoughts of online digitisation of that archive will doubtless be down-the-dunny.

 

Way back in 1971 I got the bug and started buying Modern Motor (Motor), Wheels and Motor Manual, mind you they were all dropped like hot-spuds once I tripped over Sports Car World. Wowee, wasn't that something for all those years!

 

Racing Car News came free via a mates Dad after he'd read it, and Auto Action when it had a feature which appealed. Stuff like Chequered Flag and Cars and Drivers (very sadly, I loved that) came and went. Now we have Wheels, Auto Action, Australian Muscle Car plus all the online shite. Benzina is a new Oz kid on the block if you haven't sussed it. 

 

Isn't it a different world?

 

What did you all read in the day? And more importantly, what, if anything, do you buy now? And why?

 

I buy everything based on content, even the mags I write for. Auto Action is a freebee, but MotorSport, AMC, The Automobile and Benzina are all content based purchase choices. I think from a production perspective the consistent quality of MotorSport and The Automobile are on a different planet. And Magneto, a road/classic car oriented newish entrant is an extraordinary graphic designers wank-fest. The writing is top-shelf too.

 

Anyway, two-Pinots-in, lets raise a glass to celebrate Motor.

 

Another one bites the dust.

 

m

 

Hang on a sec. 

You get a freebie from Auto Action? Sheesh. I have to buy it. 

 

 

BRM

[ellrosso]

This is a very touchy subject in the ellrosso household! My wife says I have a serious problem and whilst I never admit it, I know she is probably right......  However my typical retort is "what about all your interiors magazines!" I do leave her for dead though. I get Auto Action every fortnight and have been buying it since Issue No 1. Racing Car News started it off back in 1967, closely followed by Autosportsman and SCW. Wheels and Modern Motor were infrequent. Chequered Flag, Aust Motor Racing came and went as did Car & Driver. Formula One magazine came and went, Autosport for a while and Motorsport started in 1977 as is still being bought today, along with Classic & Sportscar, Octane

Aust Muscle Car and my two Cycling magazines. Don't ask me how much I've spent on magazines over the years - it would be too embarrassing. However I did donate all my Motorsport to the HSCRA and all my AMC to Ray Bell so its not all bad!

[TerryS]

It is reported in one of our local newspapers that the price of newsprint is to increase exorbitantly.

 

There is only one supplier of newsprint in Australia and it had advised that prices will increase by as much as 80 per cent from July 1.

 

This will lead to the demise of free local suburban newspapers.

 

It will also possibly be the end of motor papers and magazines such as Auto Action, where there are limits to increase prices to offset this without losing customers.

 

It seem a free kick to the digital world.

 

Sorry to be the bearer of such bad news......

[MarkBisset]

Thanks for all your responses chaps.

 

Martyn, I had the Hot Rod thing for about 6 months too, at the very start. How could I forget about Car? Arguably the most influential mag of them all. My period of readership was when my kids were very young and I had a lotta home-time. I useter start with the columns of James May, Steady Barker, Russell Bulgin, one or two others, and...Leonard J Setright.

 

LJS had a seriously good supply of Weed or similar illicit substance unavailable from 'yer local pharmacist. His mix of the unintelligible, double negatives and the obtuse garnished with dollops of Latin resulted in an amazing ink on paper concoction however unclear his true intent or meaning!

 

I was lucky enough to have a series of conversations with Car's father, Douglas Blain over a long weekend in March, what a most impressive fella! See here for Gavin Green's account of the impact on that title by Oz Journalista Mafiosi; Blain, Fraser, Nichols, Cropley, Green et al; The story of CAR Magazine: part 1 | CAR Magazine

 

I really should buy a modern Car, it's been way too long.

 

Bruce, to get the free Auto Action you have to mug the publisher, but he is Big Unit, as you know.

 

And Lindsay, my God! Tasmania's state deficit is smaller than the cost of your annual magazine fix! Try Magneto, fascinated to have you position it in the mix? Is their a decent newsagent in Bangalow or Byron, otherwise it'll be a trip to Lismore to find it...

 

M

Edited by MarkBisset, 11 May 2022 - 03:13.

[Ray Bell]

Lismore's still shut...

 

Nobody has yet mentioned Auto News. I bought every issue of that.

[Ian G]

Lismore's still shut...

 

 

 

Yes,i was up there yesterday,slowly returning to normal with a few Shops(&Pubs) open.PO is still shut with a pop up open for a few hours each afternoon.

 

Ballina or Tweed Heads the best for newsagents at the moment.

 

As a school kid in the 1960's i purchased just about every Motoring mag. that was out there,RCN was my favourite thou.

 

Edit...for those that don't know Lismore and other Towns in Northern NSW were hit by a once in a 500 year Flood back in Feburary,15-18m of water in parts,years to recover. 

Edited by Ian G, 12 May 2022 - 23:27.

[Martyn Hey]

Mark, I had a brief intro to British car mag publishing back in the 80s, when Hot Car wanted to update its image, becoming Performance Car. Editor came to the design consultancy where I was working, and I was given responsibility for the redesign. Car magazine was the benchmark, with Fast Lane a new entry in the market to compete against.

Edited by Martyn Hey, 12 May 2022 - 00:30.

[ellrosso]

I'll try Magneto Mark, thanks for the tip (just don't tell the wife.....) . We were just up in Lismore today actually. So much of it is still trashed. Up in a CBD office on the 2nd floor and the water had gone nearly 2 ft up the wall at that height...... hard to fathom what it must have been like. Everyone is still toey though as big rains/flooding in QLD right now.

The bridge to the farm my youngest daughter is on has flooded, so she is cut off yet again (just outside Murwillumbah). The ground up here is still so saturated and we are still getting some rain on a daily basis - its just not drying out. The car dealer we visited (Ford, Mazda, Honda, VW) lost over 100 cars in the recent flood - all destined for scrap apparently.

Bangalow Newsagency is pretty good but they don't get Motorsport - everything else is there though. 

[cooper997]

Lindsay, you will probably need to ask the newsagent to order Magneto and Motor Sport in. They aren't stocked on the shelves by many of the newsagents here in the suburbs of Melbourne.

 

And if you have to justify the expense, just tell your wife that it could be worse if you start blowing the budget down the local pub.

 

Issue 13 Magneto is due out on 26/5/22 in Oz. March Motor Sport on Monday

 

 

Stephen

[MarkBisset]

Soggy up here all right,

 

I’ve been in Brisbane working and the rain has barely stopped since arrival on Thursday nite.

 

On magazine arrival times in Australia, MotorSport February is in the shops to Stephens’s point at present, Auto Actions May MotorSport subscription issue arrived on Tuesday, while in the UK the current June issue has been on the news-standards since the start of May.

 

So, a subscription is the go, the Auto Action copy has arrived without a drama for the six months the mag has subscribed.

 

Re Magneto, you can buy one in Brighton but I doubt if you could in Broadmeadows.

 

m

[Dick Willis]

And the Historic meeting at Morgan Park, near Warwick, has been cancelled, flooded out !

[MarkBisset]

 

Great to see Dick Simpson’s (RA Simmo) work up in lights again in Auto Action a couple of issues back (#1838), his colour shots bagged most of the first spread.

 

Onya Dick and Lindsay Ross (ellrosso) 

 

Mark

[ellrosso]

Great article as always Mark. Lot of stuff that was new to me. I let Dick know about it too - he was very chuffed. Always look forward to the historic features - long may they continue.

[Lee Nicolle]

I'll try Magneto Mark, thanks for the tip (just don't tell the wife.....) . We were just up in Lismore today actually. So much of it is still trashed. Up in a CBD office on the 2nd floor and the water had gone nearly 2 ft up the wall at that height...... hard to fathom what it must have been like. Everyone is still toey though as big rains/flooding in QLD right now.

The bridge to the farm my youngest daughter is on has flooded, so she is cut off yet again (just outside Murwillumbah). The ground up here is still so saturated and we are still getting some rain on a daily basis - its just not drying out. The car dealer we visited (Ford, Mazda, Honda, VW) lost over 100 cars in the recent flood - all destined for scrap apparently.

Bangalow Newsagency is pretty good but they don't get Motorsport - everything else is there though. 

Flood damage cars will never be any good. The amount of electronics in modern cars just kills them. A fellow dealer who bought some a few years back had nothing but dramas with them.. And the water had been a max 6" deep inside the footwells. Not under water.

I feel sorry for the people in that region. But blame state and local Govt allowing building on flood plains which is where the worst of the damage has happened.

[Ray Bell]

Let's get some perspective on the town of Lismore...

 

All towns, as you would know, used to be built by the river. The Wilson River is normally maybe 4-5 metres below the normal ground level. But evidence and knowledge of flooding must have been available to those building there in the 1840s. Major flooding was experienced in the late 1880s, so the town was well-established by the time that happened. And so the town continued to grow, generally flooding was not too catastrophic.

 

But Bob Trevan tells me that the local Aboriginals always said there were floods that reached up to the point where the cathedral was built, a particularly high spot close to the CBD, where no European settlers had ever seen signs of flooding. Bob's family has been in Lismore for well over a hundred years, his father was a Ford dealer there over 100 years ago in fact.

 

After the 1974 flood there were more stringent (than previously) edicts on building. Floor levels had to be above the 1974 flood level, hence you saw on news broadcasts shops which had ground level carparks and the shops above them. Like McDonalds, which was well-broadcast at the time, but there was Aldi, Hungry Jacks and more.

 

Bob has a factory unit to play around in during his retirement, this was build well after 1974 and the whole street has the ground level built up to the 1974 flood level. That was the highest flood on record, hence the more stringent building requirements.

 

In 2022 all of that changed. Bob had eight feet of water through his unit, the cathedral copped it too, Aldi, McDonalds and a lot of other places were totally inundated. This level of flooding was beyond the level of anything seen since the town's inception in 1845.

[brucemoxon]

Let's get some perspective on the town of Lismore...

 

All towns, as you would know, used to be built by the river. The Wilson River is normally maybe 4-5 metres below the normal ground level. But evidence and knowledge of flooding must have been available to those building there in the 1840s. Major flooding was experienced in the late 1880s, so the town was well-established by the time that happened. And so the town continued to grow, generally flooding was not too catastrophic.

 

But Bob Trevan tells me that the local Aboriginals always said there were floods that reached up to the point where the cathedral was built, a particularly high spot close to the CBD, where no European settlers had ever seen signs of flooding. Bob's family has been in Lismore for well over a hundred years, his father was a Ford dealer there over 100 years ago in fact.

 

After the 1974 flood there were more stringent (than previously) edicts on building. Floor levels had to be above the 1974 flood level, hence you saw on news broadcasts shops which had ground level carparks and the shops above them. Like McDonalds, which was well-broadcast at the time, but there was Aldi, Hungry Jacks and more.

 

Bob has a factory unit to play around in during his retirement, this was build well after 1974 and the whole street has the ground level built up to the 1974 flood level. That was the highest flood on record, hence the more stringent building requirements.

 

In 2022 all of that changed. Bob had eight feet of water through his unit, the cathedral copped it too, Aldi, McDonalds and a lot of other places were totally inundated. This level of flooding was beyond the level of anything seen since the town's inception in 1845.

 

Not just Lismore.

After the 1955 floods wiped them out, my uncle and aunt in Narrabri rebuilt. Alf,  a shearing contractor who employed a lot of Aboriginal shearers, asked one of the Kamillaroi elders what was the biggest flood their people knew of. He then went a foot higher. People laughed, until in 1971 the water stopped an inch below the floorboards. 

And yet, we stubbornly keep building on river banks and flood plains. 

Anyway.

 

 

 

BRM (still doing some work for Auto Action, having first done so in 1983).

[Ian G]

Probably time to move the Lismore CBD,residents going thru this every few years is crazy.

My Uncle had the Civic Hotel In Lismore in the late 1950's /early 1960's.I spent my School Holidays there,from Sydney, 2 or 3 times.

They went thru 2 floods in that time,after the 2nd they sold out.

It was a tiled Pub at the time so not too bad to clean up,compared to other Lismore Shops,once the Cellar was pumped out but the  they had enough drama's and moved on.

[ellrosso]

Yes, Lismore CBD needs to be up in Lismore Heights. Mullumbimby and Murwillumbah (where both my daughters were at the time) have some big decisions to make too - its going to keep happening without a doubt.

[Lee Nicolle]

Let's get some perspective on the town of Lismore...

All towns, as you would know, used to be built by the river. The Wilson River is normally maybe 4-5 metres below the normal ground level. But evidence and knowledge of flooding must have been available to those building there in the 1840s. Major flooding was experienced in the late 1880s, so the town was well-established by the time that happened. And so the town continued to grow, generally flooding was not too catastrophic.

But Bob Trevan tells me that the local Aboriginals always said there were floods that reached up to the point where the cathedral was built, a particularly high spot close to the CBD, where no European settlers had ever seen signs of flooding. Bob's family has been in Lismore for well over a hundred years, his father was a Ford dealer there over 100 years ago in fact.

After the 1974 flood there were more stringent (than previously) edicts on building. Floor levels had to be above the 1974 flood level, hence you saw on news broadcasts shops which had ground level carparks and the shops above them. Like McDonalds, which was well-broadcast at the time, but there was Aldi, Hungry Jacks and more.

Bob has a factory unit to play around in during his retirement, this was build well after 1974 and the whole street has the ground level built up to the 1974 flood level. That was the highest flood on record, hence the more stringent building requirements.

In 2022 all of that changed. Bob had eight feet of water through his unit, the cathedral copped it too, Aldi, McDonalds and a lot of other places were totally inundated. This level of flooding was beyond the level of anything seen since the town's inception in 1845.

In most 'civilised' places man has tried to train a river to go where they want it to go. Raise riverbanks, straighten rivercourses etc etc. Then complain when they get flooded.
Or put reservoirs on rivers then try and keep all the water when it rains,, then let the water go too late then flood downstream.
Not just here in Oz but world wide. I saw a docco recently about flooding in Britain where they are putting the bends back into a river and allowing the flood plains to actually flood. They say both of these will reduce flood risk downstream.

[Ian G]

Yes, there was a move/plan to bring Dutch hydrologists out here (Lismore area) to see what they would say/suggest but I think it’s been squashed by successive State Govts.

Edited by Ian G, 22 July 2022 - 23:53.