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[phrank]

"Red Bull could swap Verstappen-Kvyat as early as Spanish GP"

http://www.motorspor...nish-gp-733475/

Edited by phrank, 04 May 2016 - 19:57.

[Marklar]

The Verstappen/Ricciardo thread could happen earlier than I thought

 

Jon Noble ‏@NobleF1  3m3 minutes agoSouth East, England

Could Red Bull swap Kvyat/Verstappen as early as Spain? Sources claim it is being considered http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-could-swap-verstappen-kvyat-as-early-as-spanish-gp-733475/ …

[Radion]

 

The Verstappen/Ricciardo thread could happen earlier than I thought

 

Jon Noble ‏@NobleF1  3m3 minutes agoSouth East, England

Could Red Bull swap Kvyat/Verstappen as early as Spain? Sources claim it is being considered http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-could-swap-verstappen-kvyat-as-early-as-spanish-gp-733475/ …

 

Holy **** that would be amazing. 

 

Oh I see they are still furious about the second crash? C'mon, there was no way DK could have reacted to that.

Edited by Radion, 04 May 2016 - 20:02.

[David Lightman]

Ah, 'sources claim', so it must be true.

[messy]

That would be incredibly harsh on DK. I at least expected him to see out the season at Red Bull. Incredibly harsh.

he ****ing beat Ricciardo in the championship last year

[A3]

Yeah right... Let's kill 2 F1 careers in one go. 

Edited by A3, 04 May 2016 - 20:06.

[Marklar]

Yeah right... Let's kill 2 F1 careers in one go. 

Makes any future decision easier 

[043Max]

http://www.f1today.n...red-bull-racing

 

 

Verstappen IN,

 

NExt Race VERSTAPPEN wILL wIN

Edited by 043Max, 04 May 2016 - 20:13.

[dangk]

That's basically death sentence for Kvyat if that's true. Might as well run around the paddock with a "DEMOTED" sticker on his forehead. What a stupid idea from RB if this is true. And from Max point of view it's not wise either. New team, new car and he has to face Ricciardo on top of that with no testing beforehand.

[A3]

Wait, an English website posts a rumour based on "sources" and now a Dutch site claims it as fact, after "people told them so".

 

Rrright. 

[RECKLESS]

I don't see this swap happening. Makes no sense - at least as fast as Spain already.

If Kvyat makes more mistakes in the next races, then maybe.

But remember he was just on the podium in China.

The media overreacts.

Not buying.

[TheRacingElf]

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if it is true. That's how Red Bull is working: You are not good enough, so get out of here. But, as TheRacingElf pointed, out: why not doing that before this season? You always got the impression that they were never convinced of Kvyat since he stepped up to Red Bull, even when he beat Ricciardo on points (due to reliability). Would be very hearless if they are doing this now.

If this is true I get indeed the feeling they were never convinced of Kvyat and were just looking for a reason to get him out and the Russian GP incident came as perfect opportunity for them to do so. But if they really weren't convinced of Kvyat and were looking for a reason to fire him why didn't they just do that 4 races ago? Was Kvyat that much worse these 4 races than last year? Don't think so...Was Verstappen so much better those 4 races than last year? Don't think so either...

 

I just don't get it

[A3]

Marketing, Russia?

[dangk]

 

 

This was taken in Socchi. Dhr Marko with VES Jos and his manager. Seems plausible.

[Archer]

It can be a poisoned gift, if he races with no adaptation to the car, setup and team and underperform he could loose the interest of other teams, and then red bull would ease the pressure to move him up to red bull. It would be wiser to stay in toro rosso beating a driver he can manage, mantaining the pressure and the hype until August, when red bull should make a lineup decission in a context more favorable to him.

Edited by Archer, 04 May 2016 - 20:40.

[ElJefe]

I believe it when more reputable Dutch sources break the story and cite independent sources. Even public broadcaster NOS is only citing F1Today...

[RiccardoPatrese]

From Verstappens pov this would be a bad idea, I don't think he would seriously consider a mid-season swap without proper preparation.

[ElJefe]

 

 

This was taken in Socchi. Dhr Marko with VES Jos and his manager. Seems plausible.

He's part of the RB driver programme, so this is not unusual. I wouldn't read too much into it.

[TheRacingElf]

From Verstappens pov this would be a bad idea, I don't think he would seriously consider a mid-season swap without proper preparation.

I don't think it's the right thing to do either but I think it's very hard to say no (although he is good at that  ) if Red Bull really wants him to...

[RiccardoPatrese]

This was taken in Socchi. Dhr Marko with VES Jos and his manager. Seems plausible.

That was before the race. There is nothing you can make out of that meeting. They talked several times with Toto Wolff in the same setting, that doesn't mean he is going to replace Rosberg.

[KWSN - DSM]

Jos redux?

 

[Button4life]

No way Max is going to beat an in form Ricciardo. This might hurt his confidence( I believe he can be beaten as bad as Vettel was in 2014) therefore I think it'll be a wrong decision from Red Bull and Max to promote him

[Kao18]

Why? Ricciardo moved to Red Bull after 2 years and beat Vettel.

 

Didn't he do a half year of F1 before moving to TR? So 2,5 years right? Also I don't really want to take anything away from Ricciardo's performance but Vettel obviously wasn't himself that year.

 

 

If this is true I get indeed the feeling they were never convinced of Kvyat and were just looking for a reason to get him out and the Russian GP incident came as perfect opportunity for them to do so. But if they really weren't convinced of Kvyat and were looking for a reason to fire him why didn't they just do that 4 races ago? Was Kvyat that much worse these 4 races than last year? Don't think so...Was Verstappen so much better those 4 races than last year? Don't think so either...

 

I just don't get it

 

 

Can't believe it either. First of all Kvyat doesn't deserve this and a demotion to TR after just 3 races (he even missed the first one) would definitely not restore his confidence.

 

And what would happen if Verstappen by accident takes out himself and Ricciardo in the next race? Would they then give Sainz a try and demote Verstappen? The whole thing sounds pretty ridiculous and made up.

 

It would not only destroy Kvyats career but also put unnecessary pressure on Max. And a temporary swap like they are suggesting sounds even more unlikely. No way they would try Verstappen two races and then put Kvyat back in.

Edited by Kao18, 04 May 2016 - 21:01.

[Archer]

Jos redux?

 

I hope Jos really learned the lesson back in the day. Now he has the deal practically closed, it makes not sense to risk a whole career in a russian roulette move when you can wait only few months and close the deal properly signing a proper contract.

[LiftAndCoast]

Why is everyone treating this rumour as a fait accompli?

It's a report asserting that unnamed sources claim Red Bull is CONSIDERING a mid season swap.

Let's take a deep breath and talk about it in the unlikely event it's actually confirmed.

[A3]

If true, I don't think Max has anything to say about it as he's under contract with Red Bull.

[LiftAndCoast]

I'm very, very sceptical that Red Bull would do this after one incident.

Then again, I was very, very sceptical about Dutch reports that they intended to promote an F3 rookie straight to F1.....

[acf69]

On the other hand, if the decision has been made to have Max part of RBR and have him part of the future why wait? Why is it worse than waiting until next year if they give him this year to learn the car and not expect him to beat Ricciardo? I don't see how this would hurt his confidence? And there have only been 4 races this year so there is a huge opportunity to gain valuable experience with the team that wants him long term.

 

Yes, Kvyat would be done, but with Ricciardo and Max they have no place for him anyway.

 

So in essence, if they strongly believe Max is a future WDC candidate why wait?

[PaulTodd]

I'm not saying Max ain't no good but If he goes side by side with Ricciardo and falls short it could end a promising career. 

[FullOppositeLock]

Believe it when I see it. However, IF it happens I have full confidence that RB/Marko feel he is ready for the big time. They have all the data about all the drivers and know them better than anyone.

 

What would happen to Kvyat? A return to Toro Rosso?

[RECKLESS]

I'm still not buying this.

But if it happens it'll make for a super exciting twist in this years championship!

[ElJefe]

Only one source has 'confirmed' the news and several well-informed Dutch journos are denying the story. 

[Archer]

In my opinion, these are bad news for Max. Right now Richiardo is on fire, and a change of team, car, engineer, setup, and no pre season testing with the car and team is a career russian roulette. He must stay in toro rosso at least until he officially sign a red bull contract for the next few seasons.

[TheRacingElf]

Can we expect a reaction form Red Bull soon? I mean this rumour is gathering quite some speed at the moment

[Marklar]

Can we expect a reaction form Red Bull soon? I mean this rumour is gathering quite some speed at the moment

Red Bull did not respond to requests to comment on the Kvyat situation when contacted on Wednesday.
 
You can read into that what you want....

[TheRacingElf]

In my opinion, these are bad news for Max. Right now Richiardo is on fire, and a change of team, car, engineer, setup, and no pre season testing with the car and team is a career russian roulette. He must stay in toro rosso at least until he officially sign a red bull contract for the next few seasons.

Maybe he just did and this being the result of that? Otherwise I really can't understand why they didn't put Max into the Red Bull at the start of the season

[Quickshifter]

With Red Bull anything can happen.

[A3]

Holy crap, twitter is exploding with copy & pasters. I'm off to bed.   

[Archer]

Maybe he just did and this being the result of that? Otherwise I really can't understand why they didn't put Max into the Red Bull at the start of the season

Don't make sense. Why all the rush now?, Why suddenly they can't wait until next season?.

[Arundo]

http://www.f1today.n...red-bull-racing


Verstappen IN,

NExt Race VERSTAPPEN wILL wIN

Lol f1today, they normally copy / rewrite from autosport and other sites. And now they claim they have sources. Im not buying it yet

[ANF]

Demoting Kvyat to STR would be crueller than firing him, so no.

Edited by ANF, 04 May 2016 - 21:19.

[Nemo1965]

http://www.f1today.n...red-bull-racing

 

 

Verstappen IN,

 

NExt Race VERSTAPPEN wILL wIN

 

Yo man, do you want to become the next Frans?

[FullOppositeLock]

Demoting Kvyat to STR would be crueller than firing him, so no.

 

Right

[Marklar]

Andrew Benson ‏@andrewbensonf1  2m2 minutes ago

Andrew Benson Retweeted Jon Noble

I've heard this too. I'm told it is likely to happen. Can't be 100% sure yet, though

[Lipp]

the BBC was talking about it 2 days ago. But not as soon as Spain.

[FullOppositeLock]

 

Andrew Benson ‏@andrewbensonf1  2m2 minutes ago

Andrew Benson Retweeted Jon Noble

I've heard this too. I'm told it is likely to happen. Can't be 100% sure yet, though

 

 

Mmmm, might be more to this.

[Marklar]

Phil Duncan ‏@PhilDuncanF1  32s32 seconds ago

On Kvyat-Verstappen swap reports for #SpanishGP, interesting to note what Horner told @pasport in China. #f1

[FullOppositeLock]

the BBC was talking about it 2 days ago. But not as soon as Spain.

 

It was mentioned as an option in his column 2 days ago.

[acf69]

I like this reponse to the Noble tweet:

 

"Sebastian Vettel likes your tweet"

 

[FullOppositeLock]

 

Phil Duncan ‏@PhilDuncanF1  32s32 seconds ago

On Kvyat-Verstappen swap reports for #SpanishGP, interesting to note what Horner told @pasport in China. #f1

 

 

 

Marko said this in an interview with Fomula1.com official site in March:

 

Q: Will 2016 also be a ‘shoot-out’ among the four Red Bull drivers? Max Verstappen is surely destined for a front-running team. Will he be the one to stir things up at Red Bull Racing?

HM: We basically have long-term contracts at the Red Bull junior program and the whole program is based on performance. So no shoot-out, but be very clear: the one who is not delivering goes.

Q: Do you see Max at Red Bull Racing next year, though?

HM: Let’s see what he delivers. The second season is sometimes trickier than the first!