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[Graveltrappen]

Inspired by this video:

https://youtu.be/2wVY3deV2eM

If you could design a race track, and include corners or sections of track from any existing/defunct circuit then how would yours look? What would you include?

I think there's actually a (billionaire) guy somewhere who built a real racetrack like this as part of an 'exclusive members club'

And brundle did a thing on sky where he created a scaletrix version of his 'Ultimate track'

http://www.skysports...te-2015-circuit

Edited by Graveltrappen, 11 May 2016 - 17:43.

[Marklar]

I remember that Lewis designed many years ago for an McLaren sponsor his dream track. Sick

 

 

And that's Martin Brundle's dream circuit

 

Edited by Marklar, 11 May 2016 - 17:53.

[AustinF1]

for starters...

 

suzuka spoon

suzuka esses

suzuka degners

suzuka 130R

eau rouge

austin turn 1

tunnel to nouvelle chicane

pouhon

parabolica

istanbul turn 8

cgv wall of champions

catalunya turn 8

bathurst dipper

Edited by AustinF1, 11 May 2016 - 17:55.

[LiftAndCoast]

Eau Rouge, Pouhon, 130R, Turn 1 at COTA, the Maggots/Becketts/Copse sequence...

[PayasYouRace]

While I'd draw inspiration from many great tracks, I don't think I'd be including any famous corners.

[Ivanhoe]

Cork screw Laguna Seca

[Turboflame]

I know it won't happen: just the old Nordschleife with Tecpro-barriers surrounding it and more runoff where possible. Not for f1 but it would be great to see for instance DTM returning there.

[Yamamoto]

Shanghai back straight, (DRS zone 1)

Followed by the final chicane at Istanbul,

Followed by the Abu Dhabi back straight and chicane, (DRS zone 2)

Pouhon 

Then the chicane from Catalunya back onto back straight from China.

Edited by Yamamoto, 11 May 2016 - 18:33.

[Jimisgod]

Circuit runs clockwise.

 

1-3. A version of S-curves (Suzuka)

4. Dunlop (Suzuka)

5-6. Degner (Suzuka)

7. Hairpin (Suzuka)

8. 130R (Suzuka)

9-15. Copse, Maggots, Becketts & Chapel (Silverstone)

16. Spoon (Suzuka)

17-18. Bruxelles & "T11" (Spa)

19-27. The Esses, the Dipper & Forrest's Elbow (Bathurst)

28-31. Campus, Stavelot & Paul Frere (Spa)

[Muppetmad]

I know it won't happen: just the old Nordschleife with Tecpro-barriers surrounding it and more runoff where possible. Not for f1 but it would be great to see for instance DTM returning there.

WTCC went to the Nordschleife last year, which is fairly close to DTM.

 

[noikeee]

I don't want to poo on the party as this is a fun topic, but circuits made of "bits and pieces" from others rarely turn out amazing in their own right, although they don't become necessarily terrible. I'm thinking of Magny-Cours and Austin in particular which both borrowed corners or at least ideas.

 

A circuit is more than a list of corners, it's how it flows from a driving perspective, it's how it affects the racing and how the cars are setup, it's the scenery and elevation changes (sometimes made a lot better by small particularities in-between the corners - are they all linked by boring equal looking laser-straight straights?), it's the atmosphere around the circuit regarding the crowd and the paddock, etc etc...

[HeadFirst]

Corners 1, 2, 3, 4, 5abc, the Andretti straight and the esses at Mosport for a start.

[TF110]

A track with a combo of Spa's Eua Rogue and blanchimont; Suzuka's Esses, Degnar, Spoon and 130r; Fuji's straight and 100r; and finished with Yeongam's turns 15-18 sequence.

[ExFlagMan]

What ever it included I would make sure it was not suitable for F1 - as that might give it chance of not being buggered about by the FIA.

[RECKLESS]

The corners of Spa. Connected in the order as they are in Spa. What I mean to say is Spa.

[sjakie]

I agree with Noikeee. Magny Cours wasn't a very good track. Kenny Roberts was quoted "as if they first built a wonderful pitlane and then thought that a racetrack around it would be a fine addition". The result was a couple of corners loaned from other tracks and thrown together which made a track with no flow at all...

 

Location is another thing. My favorite corners would be turn one, two three and four of IMS. They tried that in Ontario but it didn't work there....

Edited by sjakie, 12 May 2016 - 07:37.

[thegforcemaybewithyou]

I'd love to see F1 race on the 1966 version of the Hockenheimring, no chicanes!

 

[RacingXO]

I'm easy to please....

 

Monaco with gravel by the water after the tunnel - fantastic track imo

[Jovanotti]

I remember that Lewis designed many years ago for an McLaren sponsor his dream track. Sick

130R into Eau Rouge, yes please!

I agree with Noikeee. Magny Cours wasn't a very good track. Kenny Roberts was quoted "as if they first built a wonderful pitlane and then thought that a racetrack around it would be a fine addition". The result was a couple of corners loaned from other tracks and thrown together which made a track with no flow at all...

I don't understand the hate for Magny-Cours, compared to many new tracks it has quite a nice flow. Fast T1 and the long straight to the hairpin plus the two very fast chicanes were really good imo.

[RECKLESS]

I'd love to see F1 race on the 1966 version of the Hockenheimring, no chicanes!

 

Yes please.

[Nonesuch]

A while ago I put together this little construct; one of an infinite amount of combinations that one might be able to make.

 

I'm sure it doesn't have all the corners drawn to scale, but whatever, it's just fun and games.

 

 

The lap starts going downhill through Paddock Hill, then back up through the Schumacher S, finishing at the top of a hill at McLeans. Back down into Turn 12-14 (which would need new names), and after a relatively long straight the track dips down into the Imola Chicane, after which it's further downhill into Pouhon. The old Bridge & Priory section lead into the lowest point of the track at Acque Minerali. After that it's again uphill into Lycée, which for this purposes would be more akin to the old Austrian chicane than the actual rather flat version. A slightly bending straight then leads in to Degner corner, and then it's time for the final corner: Cotovelo and Mergulho - which are both mirrored and would also go uphill rather than downhill to connect back to the start/finish straight.

[Mohican]

A lengthened combination of Suzuka and Imola, with Eau Rouge, Blanchimont, the 1973 Woodcote, the downhill section at Rouen, the uphill section and original Bosch-kurve at the original Osterreichring, the Laguna Seca Corkscrew and a few others added.

[Yamamoto]

130R into Eau Rouge, yes please!

I don't understand the hate for Magny-Cours, compared to many new tracks it has quite a nice flow. Fast T1 and the long straight to the hairpin plus the two very fast chicanes were really good imo.

 

I think the main reason Magny-Cours was disliked in the paddock was because it was apparently a nightmare to get to. Maybe this dislike became dislike of the actual circuit too.

[ANF]

Work in progress...

[Kristian]

The thing is corners need to have the same entry speeds, gradients, and as someone already said same downforce settings - too many variables to get right on one circuit. 

 

Tilke was asked to do one about 10 years ago by F1 Racing, and he made a good job of it (sadly I couldn't find any pics online). Most gallingly, he said the budget to do it would be about $500m........ Yas Marina's development cost $800m, so just imagine what we could have got had someone with a bit more vision been in charge of that!

[PlatenGlass]

I think rather than try to combine everything into one track, it's better to have tracks that have their own unique characters. So you'd have a high-speed track like the old Hockenheim, and also a track like Monaco. To try and mix them together would give you the worst, not the best, of both worlds.

Edit - actually, I don't think such a track would necessarily be bad, but it would be in addition to, not instead of, the tracks that are primarily high and low speed.

Edited by PlatenGlass, 12 May 2016 - 09:32.

[Anderis]

Turns 11-12-13 from Shanghai

Epingle du Casino from Montreal

Eau Rouge from Spa

Turns 1-2-3 from Melbourne

Einfahrt, Parabolika and Spitzkehre from new Hockenheim

 

I wanted to sensure good racing first rather than a challenging track with great flow that sucks for overtaking, like Suzuka.

Edited by Anderis, 12 May 2016 - 09:38.

[Lennat]

Shanghai back straight, (DRS zone 1)

Followed by the final chicane at Istanbul,

Followed by the Abu Dhabi back straight and chicane, (DRS zone 2)

Pouhon 

Then the chicane from Catalunya back onto back straight from China.

 

Stop it! You made me laugh at work! 

Edited by Lennat, 12 May 2016 - 09:37.

[fZero]

Just insert Eau Rouge some where in Suzuka and you have everything you need.

[blackmme]

Eau Rouge followed by the start finish 'straight' from Brands into Paddock Hill.

That should sort the men from the boys.

Regards Mike

[Kristian]

Just insert Eau Rouge some where in Suzuka and you have everything you need.

 

And surround it with gravel again so there's no easy 'going wide' option. 

[Nonesuch]

A circuit is more than a list of corners, it's how it flows from a driving perspective, it's how it affects the racing and how the cars are setup, it's the scenery and elevation changes (sometimes made a lot better by small particularities in-between the corners - are they all linked by boring equal looking laser-straight straights?), it's the atmosphere around the circuit regarding the crowd and the paddock, etc etc...

 

Flow is very important. But drivers will often talk about the corners that excite them - not so much the 90 degree shenanigans that Tilke believes are good for 'racing'. Scenery is of course important, but that can be made: a lot of the landscape around Spa-Francorchamps isn't natural either.

 

The atmosphere can make an event fun to be at but it doesn't make the track noteworthy. If you put the Yas Marina circuit on the outskirts of Osaka or Rio de Janeiro it will be a great place to go to, but the track will still be terrible.

 

If a particular circuit needs to be more than a list of corners, perhaps its corners aren't all that interesting?

[muramasa]

　

I'd dream of some sort of " barber + brands hatch + saschen + laguna ", those awesome elevation changes, organic flow and picuteresque scenery at its ultimate form....ultimate anti-Tilke

[HeadFirst]

Further to my above post about Mosport ..... a view of the track narrated by some dude from the past.

 

https://youtu.be/gNavoYNMltY

[f1paul]

Eau Rouge

Bathust's uphill sector

Fuji straight

COTA's turn 1

The Chase at bathurst

Maggots/Beckets

Degna 1 and 2

[D28]

Further to my above post about Mosport ..... a view of the track narrated by some dude from the past.

 

https://youtu.be/gNavoYNMltY

Thanks, that chap knew his way around the place for sure! At the least, I would include corners 4 through the chute to 5A and B.

Note it is the elevation changes that makes Mosport so daunting, not simply the corners themselves. So many current tracks are flat as a pancake, not the same thing at all.

[SimeonSasparella]

 

Yes, amazin ms paint skills

[Laura23]

I like the vanilla choco ball one best tbh.

[Kristian]

 

Yes, amazin ms paint skills

 

[paulogman]

both the uphill and downhill turns at lime rock

 

up hill turn has zero run off and is steep enough that you really shouldn't be braking on the way in.

only problem is you sight line and aiming point as you are driving along the no name straight is a tree three feet from the edge of the track so if you screw it up you are going to wind up in the forest.

if you get the entry right and carry a lot of speed into the corner and the hill catches your car the next problem is the rate of speed you crest the hill and the direction you will be going once you do.

if your wheels are not pointing straight as you crest the hill it is very likely that you will lose control as the car unweights or even catches air.

 

 

the downhill is basically the up hill in reverse

 

you carry so much speed down the hill and the road just opens up in front of you that you wind up driving in too fast and running out of road 

 

 

terrifying if you get them wrong, awesome when you get them right

 

[denthierry]

Just Combes, Eau Rouge, Raidillon, La source, Busstop, Malmedy, Rivage, Pouhon, Fagnes, Stavelot, Kemmel and Bianchimont. 

Edited by denthierry, 13 May 2016 - 11:19.

[HP]

As long as the drivers need to work hard behind the wheel, anything goes for me.

[Dr. Austin]

Has anyone mentioned the old Spa's "Masta Kink" and the old "White House" section of LeMans? Those were terrifying corners.

[kevinracefan]

Diabolica, Turkey (T8)..

and I'd have a mirror image of it in the same lap..

[hyperbolica]

The only corner I'd include is the hyperbolica.

[Kristian]

Has anyone mentioned the old Spa's "Masta Kink" and the old "White House" section of LeMans? Those were terrifying corners.

But mainly because of the surrounds. With a mile of asphalt runoff and modern downhole, would they be so terrifying?

[AustinF1]

Seems like a good enough place to put this. Just found this old Eau Rouge pic I've never seen. Amazing.

 

[PayasYouRace]

It's amazing how much further "out" Eau Rouge used to be before it was straightened when the new circuit was built. It would probably still be an incredible challenge if that shape was still used.