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#1 proscriptus

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 13:28

I'm trying to put together a list of significant missing sports cars for a book project, cars that have dropped off the map but that might still be out there somewhere (ie, the Max Wax Ferrari 375 MM, the stolen Goldfinger DB5). I'm not asking anyone to give up any secrets, but if you have any tips (and photos!), I'd love to talk to you.

Please email me at dave[at]proscriptus.com. I can't promise any reward beyond a credit in the book, but it should be a whole lot of fun.

Dave

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#2 f1steveuk

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 15:02

The land speed Silver Bullet is oft looked for, but as it was a one off, I doubt it counts, certainly not as a sports car!



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Posted 28 June 2016 - 15:51

No, that's a good one. Lots of great period photos, and it was last seen in the USA. Almost certainly became ammo in WWII, but who knows. Thank you.



#4 56Lotus

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 17:49

How about the 1956 Lotus Eleven LSR car driven by Stirling Moss at Monza.  Supposedly lost somewhere in the States.  There is a replica in Japan I believe.

 

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#5 proscriptus

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 18:00

Fantastic!



#6 Steve L

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 19:22

Silver Bullet last seen in the USA?! Please tell us more?

#7 f1steveuk

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Posted 29 June 2016 - 12:18

Beat me to it Steve!!



#8 Belmondo

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Posted 29 June 2016 - 13:06

How about Brian Ashby's stolen Lola Mk. 1?



#9 Pullman99

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Posted 29 June 2016 - 18:50

Sounds like a great idea.    There's an endless supply of missing links to go for.   Some of the Indian Rolls-Royces would be a good start.   The 1911 Delhi Durbar Standards and Count Zborowski's Chitty-Bang-Bang creations (Chitty II excepted) would be good too.    Finding the truth behind that DB5 would, I think, make this a best-seller!  Good luck.



#10 JoBo

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Posted 29 June 2016 - 23:22

 

I'm trying to put together a list of significant missing sports cars for a book project, cars that have dropped off the map but that might still be out there somewhere (ie, the Max Wax Ferrari 375 MM, the stolen Goldfinger DB5). I'm not asking anyone to give up any secrets, but if you have any tips (and photos!), I'd love to talk to you.

Please email me at dave[at]proscriptus.com. I can't promise any reward beyond a credit in the book, but it should be a whole lot of fun.

Dave

 

 

Maserati produced some one-offs on the 3500GT chassis, the first true GT-car they made. Most of this one-offs are lost in space today.

 

Then the ex-Cunningham 300S, chassis #3052. Last seen in the mid 1970s in Texas. Is this today $12m-car gone with the wind?

 

Then the mighty Maserati 5000GT with one-off Ghia coachwork. Delivered new to Innocenti. Bernard Cahier did a road test in R&T in the early 1960s. Last seen in the late 1960s. Nobody knows where it is...

 

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Posted 30 June 2016 - 15:22

JoBo, the 5000GT Ghia is in my top-10.
 
After talking with some folks, I think I've given the wrong impression about the book. Unlike past projects, I haven't been asked to write a work of serious scholarship. Yes, I need to get my facts straight, but the idea isn't to find the cars, more to talk about the mystery.
 
So I'm not asking anyone to hand over their research, nor to compromise any leads. In fact, I encourage you to take advantage of this--give me the story up to 1980, or only part of it, and if any new leads turn up, I'll happily pass them along.
 
I've also talked to my editor, and he's also interested in major known cars with missing history, which is even less compromising. We'll even include some great finds, like Ferrari GTO 3589 or the first Shelby Cobra Daytona.
 
Either way, if you have a story to share, I'll work with you to ensure any confidential information stays that way. The mystery will only add to the fun.


#12 Ray Bell

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Posted 30 June 2016 - 15:43

Missing a Shelby Daytona, eh?

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Funny the things you see when you go for a little drive...

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Posted 30 June 2016 - 18:20

Then of course is the  Brabham BT43 saga, is it in the Thames or not??!!



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Posted 30 June 2016 - 18:25

If you value your life, I suggest you don't go down the  " major known cars with missing history"  route.  There are some rich owners who do NOT want their folly exposed.  There are some dealers who don't want their business methods exposed, there are ....



#15 Tim Murray

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Posted 30 June 2016 - 18:50

Then of course is the  Brabham BT43 saga, is it in the Thames or not??!!


I'm inclined to believe the following, posted in the BT43 thread:
 

I can resolve the mystery of what happened to the BT43. I've only just realised what I had, as a result of finding a pair of radiators in my loft this afternoon, that I've had for 30 odd years, and trying to decide what to do with them after a bit of internet browsing.

In 1980 (I think it was), I was working in the import department of Overseas Containers Ltd (OCL), at Barking in Essex. I overheard a conversation on the desk that dealt with shipments from Australia and New Zealand, about an abandoned "old racing car" lying at Orsett Containerbase, that had been sent back to the UK for repair. As it had not been collected by the importer, despite several attempts to get him to collect it, and had been around for some months racking up huge storage charges, it was going to be disposed of, as ownership had passed to OCL under the terms of the contract. I mentioned it to the Import Manager, who said that, yes it was being disposed of, probably for scrap, but if I was interested, I had better go and look at it quickly.

I had visions of perhaps some pre or post war "old racing car", so was surprised and not too impressed by what I found. It was in a rather battered crate, with significant damage to offside front, and definitely not complete. It looked like there could be some useful bits, so I went back to the office and asked how much had been offered as scrap. I was told £25, and that if I wanted it, I would have to make a "substantially increased offer". I offered £30, and was told it was mine. I was told that it had to be shifted by the end of the following week, or I'd start incurring storage charges. As OCL owned Orsett Containerbase, the manager could simply write off the storage charges already run up, which were thousands of dollars. There was no issue with Customs, as I was told the car had been built in the UK, so no import duty to pay as it was returned British goods.

A pal and I went to collect it, in his Transit van, and we humped the tub into the back, plus the engine, and anything else we could find, and took it to a lock-up I was using, for closer inspection. Bearing in mind I new nothing about racing cars at the time, (still don't know anything really), we really did not know what it was. I had been told it might be a Lola, but there was nothing to indicate manufacturer. The tub was black, and on the end plates of the rear wing was a logo that we found was the Australian TV Channel Nine logo, plus a drivers name which I seem to recall may well have been Kevin Bartlett. At this point it was pretty clear that there was a lot of car that was missing. Memory here is not so good, but it was definitely missing the transaxle and brake calipers, plus the fuel pump and some other bits and bobs. I can't recall if the drive shafts were there, but I suspect not. I am not sure if the car had been shipped that way, or if there had been a bit of parts "evaporation" at the hands of the dockers at the container depot, which was quite likely.

I had plans on using the engine in a road going van, but with no transaxle and no money to buy one, it was a non-starter. The engine also looked like it had had a problem internally, with one con rod either broken or missing, but the crank, block pistons and heads seemed all good. Anyway, at the time, this car just seemed to have no value, having seemingly been dumped by the owner, so it got broken for spares. The chevy engine went to a guy who was into american cars, wheels went to another guy, suspension uprights to a chap wanting to build a hill climb car, and so on. I kept all of the rose joints, some of which were surprisingly slack, and used them on various projects over the years. I also kept the radiators, which looked like they might be handy one day. The basic tub was no use, so it just got weighed in for scrap. All I have left are the pair of radiators, which are still in very good condition, but surprisingly heavy, being steel framed. They weigh over 5kg each! They still bear the makers tags marked "Made in Australia, NEWCELL, radiators and cores, NPN 879". They do not look particularly like the ones attached to the car in the photo above, on the day it got bent, seeming somewhat smaller. Perhaps they are the ones that were replaced for the last race.

I think this can at last end this story. I'm sorry Kevin Bartlett lost out over this, but at the time it was just another abandoned bit of cargo. Had I known it was a Brabham, and potentially historically significant, then I might have tried to find a suitable home for it, but hindsight is a frustrating thing. Meantime, the radiators are no good to me, and will be appearing on a well known internet auction site in the not too distant future.

Please - no hate mail. I was young and ignorant.



#16 Mistron

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Posted 03 July 2016 - 14:16

There was a Jaguar C type stolen from the owners driveway in the '60s and never seen again, was there not? Must check in the Porter book for chassis no. and details.

 

Al

 

Edit: XKC 020, stolen from Tom Dreyfus' Driveway in New Orleans in 1970, and not seen since.


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Posted 03 July 2016 - 15:08

The stylish 2-seater Mercedes Benz SS seen at Crystal Palace in 1937 in the three B&W pictures in this link. Then the property of Roy Eccles and said to be 'ex-Rothschild'. Apparently last heard of in 1942 when it was in search of a gearbox ...



#18 Tom Glowacki

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Posted 03 July 2016 - 15:31

Then there's the supposed 4th uncompleted Chaparral II tub.



#19 f1steveuk

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Posted 03 July 2016 - 17:24

Or the entire Shadow stolen from the circuit in Brazil



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#20 Glengavel

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Posted 03 July 2016 - 20:20

If you value your life, I suggest you don't go down the " major known cars with missing history" route. There are some rich owners who do NOT want their folly exposed. There are some dealers who don't want their business methods exposed, there are ....


Oh no, they got him!

Anyway - back to the plot. The 13th Bugatti Royale. Someone even wrote a novel with that as the plot line - I remember reading it many years ago.

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Posted 03 July 2016 - 20:37

One - or possibly two - more Mercedes Benz W165s built (or at least started) after the 1939 Tripoli GP.

 

Rafaele Cecchini's MG K3 Magnette monoposto, the only totally lost K3. And his record car Moscerino. Both presumed scrapped or bombed to b*****y during WW2.



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Posted 05 July 2016 - 15:39

The Mercedes 300 SEL 6.8 AMG that ran in the 24h at Spa in 1971.



#23 f1steveuk

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 16:41

Did they find the Steve McQueen Porsche 917?



#24 Gene

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 18:42

I realize it isn't a whole car, but it might make an interesting addition.

 

If its never got found, the Silk Cut Jag front body work that walked from the pits after Le Mans?



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Posted 05 July 2016 - 18:49

The crashed remains of James Dean's Porsche 550 have been missing for years, although some of the components are in known hands (and cursed, if you believe the stories).

 

There were six Bugatti Royales built, at least by Bugatti, om seven chassis.  The first car was fitted with several bodies, and was crashed by Ettore.  It was given a new chassis (with a longer wheelbase to match the other five) but retained the 41100 chassis number.  All six survive, and were together for the first time at Pebble Beach several years ago.

 

There was a book titled, I think, The Seventh Royale.  I had it, and as I recall it was not a particularly compelling read.



#26 Doug Nye

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 18:50

The Hallam Special?   

 

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#27 bradbury west

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 19:21

I am sure I know where a part of it is, or was, Doug.... Wasn't there talk of an owner's club? Note the singular.
Probably got it wrong again...
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Posted 05 July 2016 - 19:25

Not much help now , I know, but I recall seeing the Jaguar nose tied on the roof of a Jaguar saloon as we left la Sarthe on the Monday morning.
Roger Lund

#29 Tim Murray

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 19:39

Was the Bugatti Trust's replica 1902 De Dietrich ever recovered after it was stolen in London in 2004?

http://news.bbc.co.u...don/3496236.stm

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 20:01

The crashed remains of James Dean's Porsche 550 have been missing for years, although some of the components are in known hands (and cursed, if you believe the stories).

There were six Bugatti Royales built, at least by Bugatti, om seven chassis. The first car was fitted with several bodies, and was crashed by Ettore. It was given a new chassis (with a longer wheelbase to match the other five) but retained the 41100 chassis number. All six survive, and were together for the first time at Pebble Beach several years ago.

There was a book titled, I think, The Seventh Royale. I had it, and as I recall it was not a particularly compelling read.


Oops, don't know where I got 12 Royales from...

#31 Cynic2

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Posted 07 July 2016 - 03:02

Oops, don't know where I got 12 Royales from...

 

There probably are 12 "Bugatti Royales" in existence today . . . it's just that only six were built by Ettore Bugatti.  (Rather like Ferrari 250 GTOs, of which 74 of the original 36 still exist.)  The availability of the Bugatti Railcar engines made it much easier to built a replica Royale.

 

When I was at the Schlumpf Collection some 20+ years ago they were displaying a replica of the Esders Roadster they were building, with a Railcar engine and the spare wheels from two other Royales.  I think Tom Wheatcroft had a somewhat scaled-down replica of the Esders Roadster built as well.  (The real Esders Roadster, a very attractive design by Jean Bugatti, had the original body scrapped years and years ago. The chassis now carries a town car body.)



#32 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 07 July 2016 - 03:19

Then of course is the  Brabham BT43 saga, is it in the Thames or not??!!

Read the thread to find out



#33 TerryS

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Posted 07 July 2016 - 04:15

Whilst not a sports car, per se, Bob Jane's ex Trans Am Shelby Mustang returned to US after many owners in Australia.

 

It apparently was last seen in a museum in Florida run by a "dodgy" character, and then was "stolen" and never seen again.

 

It would be worth a fortune now in the US as a genuine ex Trans Am Series.



#34 Patrick Fletcher

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Posted 10 July 2016 - 02:11

A link to a new novel about Bruno discovering that there are some cars that people will kill for!

 

http://www.brunochie...al-pursuit.html 



#35 Allen Brown

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Posted 11 July 2016 - 09:54

Or the entire Shadow stolen from the circuit in Brazil

 

Not an entire Shadow.  The story was that a DN1 tub was left leaning against the back of the pit garage and was half-inched.  However, there is no evidence that this is true, and the individual DN1 histories make a lot more sense if this story is completely disregared.



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Posted 11 July 2016 - 10:48

What about Lord Brocket's Maseratis and Ferraris, or were all of these recovered?