http://www.carmagazi...b-001-hypercar/
She's not a look'er, IMHO
Naturally aspirated V12. A bit behind the times.
hmmmm, consider me underwhelmed.
Posted 05 July 2016 - 14:07
http://www.carmagazi...b-001-hypercar/
She's not a look'er, IMHO
Naturally aspirated V12. A bit behind the times.
hmmmm, consider me underwhelmed.
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Posted 05 July 2016 - 14:14
Posted 05 July 2016 - 14:16
I don't think LaFerrari Ferrari or McLaren P-1 hybrid systems are peddled for fuel economy?
Posted 05 July 2016 - 14:17
Edited by saudoso, 05 July 2016 - 14:20.
Posted 05 July 2016 - 14:33
Posted 05 July 2016 - 14:38
Great. Just one question: what's the point of it?
Its shape is such that the reflection of the Burj Khalifa will look stunning in the afternoon sun.
The article does mention a track-spec though with such a low number of cars being made it's unlikely to see any proper racing action.
Posted 05 July 2016 - 15:04
"track spec" is a vague term.
Posted 05 July 2016 - 16:14
Posted 05 July 2016 - 16:17
Posted 05 July 2016 - 16:49
Looks way cooler than a 918 at least. But surely it will not look like that when it is done? It has allmost no space for the engine with that massive tunnel.
My favorite front from AM is this one tho: http://cdn.wp.sunmot...t/2014/07/9.jpg
Concept sketch: http://cdntbs.astonm.../img/dp1003.jpg
Edited by MatsNorway, 05 July 2016 - 16:50.
Posted 05 July 2016 - 17:15
Great. Just one question: what's the point of it?
Posted 05 July 2016 - 18:30
Hyper - not hybrid. Nothing I read in there says anything about green or hybrid or economy or anything of that ilk. Its a "new" V12 of unknown spec.
Which is what Saudoso and I agreed on. So, now we all agree.
However, I think it would be nice if a new hyper car utilized the latest and best power generating technology. Which Saudoso disagreed with.
Posted 05 July 2016 - 18:41
It's going to be pretty lightweight? If so, you can just put a 'basic' V12 in it and have a very stout car. You can do a medium amount of horsepower rather than a stupidly high level that requires fancy engines, petrol or otherwise.
Posted 05 July 2016 - 18:50
The LaFerrari is nearly 800hp NA engine right? seems good enough to me. I do not have a problem with simpler and louder cars.
What i found odd however is the 918.. it has all the gagethry stuff. but it is a NA V8.. I just found that compromise strange. A crazy boxer 6 turbo or just V8 turbo would have made more sense to me.
Then again.. Porsche high end cars have never made sense..Carrera GT was NA V10 RWD meanwhile the 911 had fancy turboes, 4wd++... it is as if they are not even trying to make a supercar..
Edited by MatsNorway, 05 July 2016 - 18:51.
Posted 05 July 2016 - 20:03
Which is what Saudoso and I agreed on. So, now we all agree.
However, I think it would be nice if a new hyper car utilized the latest and best power generating technology. Which Saudoso disagreed with.
So nice to disagree in a civilised manner for a change.
They want it setting really low lap times in street legal configuration, or so I've read. Like beating F1 times.
It's most bang for the kg they need. And that's going to be achieved with simpler solutions, IMO.
And that they'll rock the greenish supercar boat will be a bonus.
Edited by saudoso, 05 July 2016 - 20:52.
Posted 05 July 2016 - 20:16
It's a toy.
Posted 05 July 2016 - 20:36
Those aren't real pictures are they? They look like CG images. Have they actually made any of these cars? I suspect not yet, otherwise, they might have pushed one outside into the real world and photographed it.
Posted 06 July 2016 - 01:07
Which is what Saudoso and I agreed on. So, now we all agree.
However, I think it would be nice if a new hyper car utilized the latest and best power generating technology. Which Saudoso disagreed with.
Posted 06 July 2016 - 02:51
- Looks OK to me. No doubt they will set up some billionaire focus groups to evaluate the styling.
- The "point" is to be the best at something (acceleration, top speed, track performance, wank-factor etc)
- Any hybridization would be performance oriented eg to simplify AWD, torque vectoring, peak power etc
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Posted 06 July 2016 - 04:56
Posted 06 July 2016 - 07:08
Those aren't real pictures are they? They look like CG images. Have they actually made any of these cars? I suspect not yet, otherwise, they might have pushed one outside into the real world and photographed it.
A non-running model was on display for journos at the Aston Martin factory next to a RB9, and the pictures look like that model was photographed and then photoshopped into various locations at the RB factory.
Car isn't even close to production spec yet, but it sounds like they've finalized how it's going to look like and the main aero spec.
Posted 06 July 2016 - 10:46
I read that the hybrid part is onboard as the car does not have a reverse gear installed!
Posted 06 July 2016 - 15:37
It's a toy.
Well, here's one hyper car owner that doesn't treat his as a toy (solely)
Posted 06 July 2016 - 16:53
Well, great. But so what?
Art for art's sake. Engineering for engineering's sake. No justification needed. I think it is great. Particularly the colour.
Posted 06 July 2016 - 16:55
Those aren't real pictures are they? They look like CG images. Have they actually made any of these cars? I suspect not yet, otherwise, they might have pushed one outside into the real world and photographed it.
http://www.telegraph...ehind-the-hype/
I don't know if it is a 'running' though.
Posted 07 July 2016 - 04:54
For $3M+ you can buy a Cessna Mustang that seats 4 passengers and 2 pilots, and cruises at over 390mph.
Posted 07 July 2016 - 05:34
That picture should give you a clue?
It's standing still.........
Posted 07 July 2016 - 07:40
Nice bit from Newey from the Telegraph article.
Despite claims that the unit will be naturally-aspirated, Newey doesn't turn down some sort of hybridisation.
"I haven't commented on the rest of it [the engine]," he says, though he claims that the AM-RB 001 will start
with an advantage compared with the McLaren P1 and La Ferrari, because their hybrid systems add another 50 per cent in weight.
Posted 07 July 2016 - 08:09
Posted 07 July 2016 - 19:14
So...will it trump the MacF1?
I think this is an awesome project. Wish I had the money...
Posted 08 July 2016 - 01:47
They want it setting really low lap times in street legal configuration, or so I've read. Like beating F1 times.
Posted 08 July 2016 - 03:22
They'd have to have an insane amount of aero on that thing to do F1 times, it doesn't weigh much less than a DTM car I think.
And that's assuming it will have the tire for it.
Posted 08 July 2016 - 06:48
One problem is tyres. A supercar has to be tuned to run street-legal tyres. Sure it can be re-tuned for sticky slicks but you are still stuck with suspension that was originally designed for street tyres, some bump absorption capability and sufficient durability to be road driven without breaking frequently.
Next problem is aero - measured in down-force per unit vehicle mass. This requires a lot of plan area plus venturis plus near-zero ride height and/or a lot of wing area and/or very low curb weight (which obviously conflicts with many road-car requirements (safety, comfort, noise abatement, emissions, lighting etc etc))
Posted 08 July 2016 - 09:13
Posted 08 July 2016 - 13:48
I was just parroting what I'd read: http://www.motorspor...f1-cars-680099/
Posted 09 July 2016 - 04:41
Useful article thanks Saudoso.
The use of "extreme ground effect" is of some interest to me. I am constantly surprised by the absence of skirts on a variety of road and race cars where they are not prohibited. Colin Chapman showed the way with the Lotus 88. Connect the skirts (and optionally the entire underbody) to the suspension to maintain a small clearance between the skirt and the ground. Current technology would allow a further step - electronic control of skirt height to maintain minimum ground clearance while avoiding contact with obstacles.
Posted 09 July 2016 - 20:54
Like that would work on the roads here in Surrey....