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#701 Sterzo

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Posted 24 December 2018 - 17:34

Most of the Lunch With pieces are worth the cover price on their own.

 

 

Most of the Lunch With pieces are worth the cover price on their own.

 

 

Most of the Lunch With pieces are worth the cover price on their own.

 

I have no comment to add, just thought it was worth repeating.



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#702 nicanary

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Posted 24 December 2018 - 18:39

At least the Motor Sport subscribing process is accurate - they take my £11.85 every 3 months on the dot, and each issue arrives on time. As a previous poster mentioned, subscriptions these days are administered by third parties, and Classic & Sportscar have managed to deduct 5 quarterly payments from my bank account for each of the past 2 years.

 

The first time I questioned this, I was told it would all sort itself out after time, the second time I was advised that there had been 13 issues in 2018 (and that extra issue should cost £11,00 ??) and that they had re-arranged the dates for direct debits. Would it have been so difficult to advise their subscribers in advance? I don't like money being taken from my bank account when I'm not expecting it, even for a relatively small sum.

 

(I believe that these days this sort of thing is a First World Problem. Old age has made me tetchy.........)



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Posted 24 December 2018 - 19:37

I have no comment to add, just thought it was worth repeating.

 

On posters who've moaned about the cost of Motor Sport, it seems to me we have a few latter day Oscar Wildes in our midst.

 

(The price of everything, the value of nothing)



#704 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 25 December 2018 - 16:37

Actually that quote is often taken out of context, and is not precisely as originally written. And Wilde did not say it, one of his characters did.

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Posted 25 December 2018 - 18:57

Actually that quote is often taken out of context, and is not precisely as originally written. And Wilde did not say it, one of his characters did.

 

Yes, I could have said Lord Darlington of course, but who other than you & me would have known who I meant?

 

...and anyway, I'm sure you'll agree it was Oscar wot wrote it.


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#706 Allan Lupton

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Posted 25 December 2018 - 21:49

Yes, I could have said Lord Darlington of course, but who other than you & me would have known who I meant?

 

...and anyway, I'm sure you'll agree it was Oscar wot wrote it.

Yes but like many quotations credited to him (and Bernard Shaw) it is the character's opinion, not the author's. On TV a couple of days ago I heard the one about keeping a diary "to have something sensational to read on the train" (Miss Cardew in The Importance . . . ) simply attributed to OW as if he thought that.



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Posted 26 December 2018 - 17:37

Short answer: no, Motorsport isn't as good as it could be. Having said that, it is now the only magazine I subscribe to and it stands head and shoulders above the rest of the motorsport related mag. There is always something worthwhile to read in every edition, it is entertaining and for the most part unbiased.

 

The only other magazine I buy regularly is Octane for the same reasons. I like watches, but don't own anything expensive, and my most used watch is a cheap chronograph from Lidl that I wear to eace meetings so I can time races. between these 2, I get good coverage of what I'm interested in, and having met several of the writers and had informal chats with them, they seem to be interested in what they write about.

 

 

Magazines have to appeal to the broadest number of people possible, so as Autosprout has reduced its coverage of club racing and hill climbing, and replaced it with more stuff about F1, I now very really read it, and certainly never buy it.



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Posted 31 December 2018 - 16:41

Changes appear to be afoot: both Simon Arron and Gordon Cruickshank mention their regular feature end "this month" Feb 2019 issue received this morning, and Richard Meaden's column is missing



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Posted 01 January 2019 - 14:18

SA writes that his column ends "in its current form" and GC writes that his column is ending "although I will be more visible than ever elsewhere in the magazine".

 

I'll reserve judgement until I've seen the March issue. 



#710 Sterzo

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Posted 02 January 2019 - 17:27

Good stuff as always this month. Yet another great "Lunch With," fabulous personal reminiscences of Mike Hawthorn by Doug Nye, and an interesting if slightly creepy article about Hawthorn memorabilia. (I'm not a memorabilious kind of person anyway, but rescuing fragments of items his mother destroyed to prevent souvenir hunters getting them... hmm, maybe not what would appeal to me).

 

I don't share the dislike of Frankel's road car reports. Never have taken road tests and reviews too seriously. It's just some bloke's personal observations, based on a quick spin and probably some bias, but I find his enjoyable anyway.



#711 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 17:33

This months excellent cover picture of an impossibly young looking Mike Hawthorn was enough to make me pay out for a copy in W.H. Smiths today. I enjoyed the short summary of Mike's career and D.C.N's memories but tend to agree with 'Sterzo's' comments regarding the memorabilia. I have my own example in the form of Mike's autograph given in the paddock after the Goodwood Nine Hour race in 1955. I had just had my book signed by race winner Peter Walker under who's signature Hawthorn wrote 'Too Old At 40!'. 



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Posted 08 January 2019 - 23:18

In the current issue, there's an advert from a company that deals in personalized number plates.  They've got a Ferrari in their advert wearing the plate "1 NYE". 

 

Either Motor Sport pays extremely well, or that's quite a nice joke from someone in advertising.



#713 Doug Nye

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 20:43

Hmmm  -  I hadn't noticed that.  

 

Way back, John Aldington of AFN Ltd told me they had just taken a Porsche 911 in part-exchange which I think had the registration '2 NYE' - and he said he'd happily transfer the number to me if I fancied it.  Not being quite as green as grass I said I would never be able to afford it, to which dear old John said "Oh we'd let you have it FOC!".  Backed into a bit of a corner I then explained that having a personalised registration number was nowhere on my personal wants list, so thanks for the offer, but no thanks...  

 

Later I kicked myself for turning him down, because anyone even less green as grass would have said "Ooh yes please" - taken the registration, and then have promptly flogged it on to someone who did want it, or to one of those dealers in this peculiar trade...

 

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 03:58

Changes appear to be afoot: both Simon Arron and Gordon Cruickshank mention their regular feature end "this month" Feb 2019 issue received this morning, and Richard Meaden's column is missing

 

Well, my January issue found its way to these foreign shores and then into my mailbox on Saturday, the 5th of January. The mailing wrapper informs me that -- Oh My! -- I have four issues left in the subscription...



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Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:47

Well, my January issue found its way to these foreign shores and then into my mailbox on Saturday, the 5th of January. The mailing wrapper informs me that -- Oh My! -- I have four issues left in the subscription...

 

They've just written to tell me I only have one issue remaining. It's the only magazine I read these days, and I've always defended it robustly on here, but I'll wait to see the promised changes in the next issue before making a decision. Problem is that there's always been at least one thing in each issue that makes it worth getting. I'm half hoping they have something like "Lunch with Andrew Frankel" to make the decision for me.

 

On Doug's numberplate dilemma, having been afflicted long ago with the "personal plate" disease I'd have accepted the plate gratefully, but he could always have put the Nye plate on his lawnmower. Coincidentally, my current car, complete with transferred poncey "personal plate"  was sold to me by a pleasant guy with the surname Aldington. On the dealer's "Performance cars" side, he does sell the occasional Porsche, but I've never asked him if there's any connection.



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Posted 29 January 2019 - 09:33

I have been a Motorsport reader from the late 60s to date, and have just completed the sad but inevitable task of sorting and boxing over 40 year's magazines. This in preparation for an imminent move to a smaller home. I will be looking to sell the collection.

 

Whilst sorting and packing the issues I realised that I had forgotten about the 'red cover' series, and the spell where issue dating wasn't the simple month/year but was rather roman-numeralled. Physical quality was dodgy in the 90s but thankfully has been great for the last several years.

 

From around 2010 onwards, I was knocked out by the breadth and variety of the featured articles and I stopped from time to time to scan an issue - what joy, I think Motor Sport is every bit as good as it could be. I wouldn't know what more to ask for, especially living away from the world's major motorsport hubs? 

 

Looking forward I will be depending on digital issues and the digital archive, thank heavens for them  :up:  :up:

 

 



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Posted 29 January 2019 - 19:23

I have been a Motorsport reader from the late 60s to date, and have just completed the sad but inevitable task of sorting and boxing over 40 year's magazines. This in preparation for an imminent move to a smaller home. I will be looking to sell the collection.

 

Whilst sorting and packing the issues I realised that I had forgotten about the 'red cover' series, and the spell where issue dating wasn't the simple month/year but was rather roman-numeralled. Physical quality was dodgy in the 90s but thankfully has been great for the last several years.

 

From around 2010 onwards, I was knocked out by the breadth and variety of the featured articles and I stopped from time to time to scan an issue - what joy, I think Motor Sport is every bit as good as it could be. I wouldn't know what more to ask for, especially living away from the world's major motorsport hubs? 

 

Looking forward I will be depending on digital issues and the digital archive, thank heavens for them  :up:  :up:

 

Do you know anyone who may want DVD's with digital archive? I have three and I can't sell. I have Bundle subscription, plus 1997 ownards in paper.



#718 chr1s

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 22:40

I thought I heard that the "Lunch with" feature was going to end, or did I imagine that?



#719 Tim Murray

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 23:40

I believe there was a rumour to this effect in 2016, when Simon Taylor announced that he would no longer be conducting the ‘Lunch with ...’ interviews. Thankfully the rumour proved incorrect.

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 23:54

Taylor did stop..................I have read later 'Lunches'  with / by Simon Arron, Adam Cooper, Joe Dunn, Mat Oxley and Colin Goodwin



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Posted 31 January 2019 - 08:17

Taylor did stop...


Probably put on too much weight. Journalism is a tough job...

#722 john aston

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 08:31

Simon Taylor is still sharing his erudition and enthusiasm in Classic and Sports Car  but I do miss his Motor Sport work. Some of the 'lunch withs' are still of a high standard thanks , inter alios ,  to SA ,  but others are just missed opportunity . Such as the one on Dallara , which I have already moaned about on here .

 

And it's odd that despite every publication grovellingly asking you to tell you what you think, beseeching you for feedback , when you actually do so you don't even get an acknowledgment... 



#723 Mallory Dan

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 08:53

Feedback forms are one of the, many, curses of modern life, I find John.



#724 Sterzo

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 14:07

I thought I heard that the "Lunch with" feature was going to end, or did I imagine that?

The initial announcement that Simon Taylor was going to stop doing them didn't explain that others would take over. Hence us all wailing, gnashing teeth and rending garments at the time.



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 14:47

The initial announcement that Simon Taylor was going to stop doing them didn't explain that others would take over. Hence us all wailing, gnashing teeth and rending garments at the time.

 

True, but some of the post-Simon ones have been very good, well up to the old standard. I'm not a biker, never had any interest in the nasty dangerous things, but one or two "Lunch with" done by Matt Oxley with bikers have been very good indeed, it's a shame Matt never does proper four wheeled ones.



#726 LordAston

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 17:54

Here we go again. Hopefully some better changes are coming.

 

https://www.motorspo...-sport-magazine



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 18:43

No mention of Simon Arron in that blurb. Worrying.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 18:52

Increased font size & more photo's so presumably less words required to fill per page.

More Frankel.

Jennie Gow, so presumably more F1 gossip ( bit like the Louisa something column they brought in a few years ago to cover the social scene ? )

 

Hmmmmm. 



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 18:53

No mention of Simon Arron in that blurb. Worrying.

Maybe they have decided they cannot afford his expenses claims for all those fry-ups?



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 19:41

Increased font size & more photo's so presumably less words required to fill per page.

More Frankel.

Jennie Gow, so presumably more F1 gossip ( bit like the Louisa something column they brought in a few years ago to cover the social scene ? )

 

Hmmmmm. 

 

Yes, Hmmmm indeed, and Hamilton on the cover for the second time in three months. Looks like my worst fears have been realised.

 

All they seem to be missing is a return to red covers.


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Posted 01 February 2019 - 19:51

No mention of Simon Arron in that blurb. Worrying.

Indeed; I’d been hoping he might play a larger part...
Unfortunately, nothing much in the promo-email I received fills me with pleasurable anticipation.
I sense a hint of following the herd there, rather than ploughing a distinctive furrow and setting the standard.

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 20:06

Oh dear oh dear..........I purchased my first copy of Motor Sport just over 50 years ago............looks like that habit may go the way of others after reading this breathless announcement:

 

Readers will, of course, know Andrew Frankel from his incisive and wry road car reviews and he joins us with a brilliant new diary column casting a knowledgeable eye over the automotive industry as well as following his own historic racing exploits. As one of the most connected and trusted specialists journalists in the country, I am delighted that he has agreed to contribute his thoughts and insights exclusively to Motor Sport.

 

I will try and contain my enthusiasm and judge once the latest copy turns up - perhaps the

 

money can't buy access to the paddock and pitlane. Her columns will be packed full of behind the scenes snippets you won't be able to read about anywhere else.

 

 

will tip the balance, I am not holding my breath. At least the larger font size will presumably mean less words to read - a blessing in some cases, a curse in others.

 

All of this and seemingly no Arron or Cruickshank.........

 

Last month's issue contained a feature - 2018 In Pictures -  one might have thought it appropriate to give the individual photographers a credit in recognition of their work............I have hunted high and low but answer there came none........

 

"Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!..............."



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Posted 01 February 2019 - 21:13

I thought that overall Joe Dunn was doing a pretty good job at a difficult time for the mag and there's something about the statement that makes me think he's disassociating himself from this.

 

Wonder if he'll still be around in 2- 3 months or if Frankelsteins Monster will be back ?



#734 john aston

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 08:37

It is sounding worryingly like the bastard child of F1 magazine and Hello ...I don't want more bloody pictures , I am sick of perfect pictures at the cost of bite size text .  I do want well written words and whilst I have no problem with Andrew Frankel,  I do come out in a rash when I get exclusive , behind the scenes exclusives on what brand of cornflakes Lewis  eats . They lost Roebuck , Widdows and Taylor and now they've lost Meaden (who was fine )after a one night stand  or two and , most worryingly of all our chums GC and SA (who are people like us )  may be endangered species. Oxley is great - so it's a shame I have zero interest in bikes and whilst the youngsters like Messrs Dunn and Karmal show promise , this is Motor Sport for God's sake, and that means some historical perspective and experience . 

 

 I feel disenfranchised. Sad   

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#735 Stephen W

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 09:03

Having looked at the BLURB on the update to Motor Sport I will have to have a trip to W H Smiths and have a look at the first of the new formats before spending any of my meagre pension on a copy. The inclusion of Frankel doesn't bode well, more photos may be a good thing so long as they are action shots rather than the studio arty farty type, a larger font may well also be a Godsend to us pensioners, and as for the "money can't buy access to the paddock and pitlane" tripe who really cares what aftershave some tart in F1 uses?



#736 Mallory Dan

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 10:23

Wimmin writing in MS? Its like footy on tele where every prog seems compelled to have a 'Woman football expert' on. 



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Posted 02 February 2019 - 10:57

Good writing is good writing and I could not care less who writes it . Maybe we have women football commentators now because we realised that not only do women make up 51% of the  population but many people were bored of middle aged white men getting all the work since TV began ? 

 

Damn women  eh, they'll be getting the vote next ..... :wave: 



#738 Tim Murray

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 11:03

Women such as Julie Welch have been writing knowledgeably about football for decades.

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 17:23

Good writing is good writing and I could not care less who writes it . Maybe we have women football commentators now because we realised that not only do women make up 51% of the  population but many people were bored of middle aged white men getting all the work since TV began ? 

 

 

John is absolutely right, and good writing is what MotorSport has usually provided. If something is apposite and well done, it shouldn't be possible to tell what sex the writer was, and I'm sure that's all most of us ask, age, colour or gender shouldn't even be a consideration as long as the talent is there. I can see from several earlier posts though, that I'm not alone in disliking pompous, over-written and blatantly self aggrandising writing. What we've been told so far doesn't fill me with much confidence about the Magazine's coming editorial direction, but I suppose time will reveal all. MotorSport is now very much on probation as far as I for one am concerned.



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#740 Allan Lupton

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 17:41

Oh dear oh dear..........I purchased my first copy of Motor Sport just over 50 years ago............looks like that habit may go the way of others after reading this breathless announcement:

I will try and contain my enthusiasm and judge once the latest copy turns up - perhaps the

 

money can't buy access to the paddock and pitlane. Her columns will be packed full of behind the scenes snippets you won't be able to read about anywhere else.

will tip the balance

As I've written elsewhere on TNF, I took MS from about 1958 to 1991 and the character of the advertising puff I/we have just been sent puts me in the same camp as SamoanAttorney, except that I only have to decide not to bother - don't have to give it up.

The quoted bit of puff above offers exactly what I do not want from a specialist magazine - unless the "behind the scenes snippets" are to be technical. Racing cars are highly technical objects and we engineers (and some non-engineers I think) might be interested in what's done and why, but I do not expect any of that.



#741 BRG

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 20:01

I seem to detect a slight air of negativity hereabouts.  Let's wait and see, shall we?  It's only four days away.



#742 chr1s

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Posted 03 February 2019 - 22:32

The initial announcement that Simon Taylor was going to stop doing them didn't explain that others would take over. Hence us all wailing, gnashing teeth and rending garments at the time.

Ah that explains it. I always thought it a shame that he never got it together to go to Argentina and have lunch with Carlos Reutemann, I still think there is a story to be told there.....



#743 mfd

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 14:24

No more podcasts to be hosted by Jack Philips then. It made me realise how good Ed Foster is at such interviews

#744 Sterzo

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 15:48

After the doom, gloom and despondency about yet another revamp, I received my copy today (perfect timing, just before lunch). It looks good, sort of tidied up and neater. Have read one of the best ever lunches with (how can they keep coming?). I think all the usual contributors feature, plus a whole page by - hold your breath, folks -  a woman, and an article featuring DSJ.

 

Biggest change seems to be the virtual disappearance of the watches.

 

Could do without the cartoon renderings of contributors, and I've never liked the unnecessary "puff" telling us how brilliant each writer is; I can see that for myself (where appropriate). Oh, and the cover picture-cum-headline is rubbish, but so what? I learned long ago, from the Beano, that your favourite mag is going to have some features you don't like.



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Posted 04 February 2019 - 17:10

My copy also arrived this morning...am saving a proper review till tomorrow as I have a train journey to Paris..............judgement reserved.

 

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 18:26

Have only had the briefest of “flick-throughs” so far... but don’t panic just yet — omission from the press-release description (of, essentially, the new bits) does not necessarily equate to absence from the new format.

Layout-wise... I have some thoughts (and some misgivings) but as that is my profession my analysis would possibly be too detailed for a discussion here.

Content-wise, looks interesting and eclectic, though it does appear that articles are, generally, shorter...

Edited by 2F-001, 04 February 2019 - 18:35.


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Posted 04 February 2019 - 18:49

Layout-wise... I have some thoughts (and some misgivings) but as that is my profession my analysis would possibly be too detailed for a discussion here.

Have the designers worked out that tiny black and white type across a photo is wrong? Photo attributions in tiddly type, as small as you can get past whoever accepted the print job? 



#748 john aston

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 07:49

Good- Lunch With is back to rightful length; layout and text tidy and easy on the eye ; good selection of articles and- hurray- proper space devoted to at least one book review  

 

Bad- no SA club reportage;retention of tedious marketplace section which is literally a waste of space and whose subject is done so much better by Octane et al 

 

Awful - Jenny Gow is an experienced journalist and her breathless prose about Messrs Monger and Hamilton would be fine in F1 magazine  - or Hello,. or TV Quick . But here ? Nah , toe curling stuff. And at the  expense of GC 's column? Come on ...

 

Laughed when I read about the utterly ludicrous security which Merc put in place to photo -not latest engine, nor wing , but Lewis' bloody crash helmet . FFS ...and I wonder wnat would Jenks have had to say about that?     



#749 Allan Lupton

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 08:41

Laughed when I read about the utterly ludicrous security which Merc put in place to photo -not latest engine, nor wing , but Lewis' bloody crash helmet . FFS ...and I wonder wnat would Jenks have had to say about that?     

Jenks it was who said that any meeting should have someone in the back row who was prepared to stand up and shout "cock" when necessary. I think it's necessary!



#750 john aston

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 09:07

Having now read Mark Hughes gushing Hamilton piece (we know he's great , but he's not actually the Second Coming ) I think that the beardy bloke would have made the odd interjection. 

 

In other news , the personable Jack Phillips has left for pastures new - although his youthful looks suggest his mum may have insisted he went back to school .

 

And - sadly - the podcasts are no longer on Youtube but on Spotify. Which is a shame , as one can learn a lot from  the look as well as sound . Never more than from the Nick Trott interview with Nico Rosberg - you can see exactly how and why Nico's mind games screwed Lewis so effectively  in 2016 .