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#4951 E.B.

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Posted 09 July 2019 - 22:19

No, Little Al never held it, but Big Al held it once (in 1989!).

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#4952 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 July 2019 - 22:25

Mario and Michael?

#4953 E.B.

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Posted 09 July 2019 - 22:27

No, Mario held it a few times but Michael never did.

#4954 nexfast

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Posted 09 July 2019 - 22:33

The Vukovich I and II?



#4955 E.B.

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Posted 09 July 2019 - 22:42

The Vukovich I and II?


Got it, although none of their record runs got much recognition. The elder Vuky did it in 1952 and 1955, but in 1952 the pole sitting Cummins diesel and the record run of the Novi later in the day somewhat overshadowed him, and in 1955 he only beat the record by a hundreth of a second before a nitromethane assisted Jack McGrath came along and lopped a full second off the record.

Vuky II was officially the first man over 180mph, but his lap 1 record was slightly spoilt by meeting the turn 1 wall on lap 2! The day had started with Jim Malloy's ultimately fatal crash, and continued with record after record, culminating in Bobby Unser's run of over 196mph, putting Vuky's earlier run into the shade somewhat.

Over to you.....

#4956 nexfast

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Posted 09 July 2019 - 22:54

Let's keep the family connection.  Father and son competed in three Le Mans 24 hours race (one in two, the other in one). In all of them they reached the top 10. If not unique, I guess rather rare. Who are they?



#4957 D28

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 20:26

A wild guess, Mario and Michael Andretti ?



#4958 nexfast

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 22:13

Mario has a lot more than just two races in Le Mans. Not that side of the pond.



#4959 alansart

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 10:04

Louis Rosier and son Jean-Louis?



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#4960 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 11:24

Jack and Geoffrey?

#4961 Michael Ferner

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 12:59

Hans and Hans-Joachim?

#4962 nexfast

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 21:08

Louis Rosier and son Jean-Louis?

Louis Rosier did 8 le Mans races

 

Jack and Geoffrey?

 

Jack did at least 3 Le Mans races and DNF two of them

Hans and Hans-Joachim?

Multiple entries for Hans-Joachim.

 

 

Some help: the father run before WWII, the son after.



#4963 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 21:19

Clutching at straws...

Antonio and Alberto?

#4964 nexfast

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 06:01

Nope. Antonio Ascari never entered Le Mans. Another substantial hint: the father was at the inaugural 24 hours race.



#4965 Allan Lupton

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 08:35

That's a revealing hint!

It must be Baron Raymond de Tornaco (third in 1923 and tenth in 1924 driving Bignans) and Charles de Tornaco (ninth in 1953 driving a Jaguar)


Edited by Allan Lupton, 12 July 2019 - 08:36.


#4966 nexfast

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 22:11

We got a winner!  :clap: Your turn. 



#4967 Allan Lupton

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Posted 13 July 2019 - 06:16

Out rallying today so can I declare Open House for someone else to step in?



#4968 D28

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Posted 13 July 2019 - 12:43

Try this puzzle, should be simple.

 

Jacques Vllleneuve

Mark Donohue

Masten Gregory

Mario Andretti

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Figure out the connection among these 4 drivers and fill in the blank, this should complete the list.



#4969 E.B.

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 06:26

should be simple


The "this one should be easy" curse strikes yet again. Time for a gentle clue?

#4970 2F-001

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 06:48

Is the order in which the names are shown relevant?

Oh, and which Jacques Villeneuve is that?



#4971 D28

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 12:46

Sorry, Jacques Jr.  The names are in order of relative importance of the accomplishment.



#4972 alansart

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 18:02

The Triple Crown?



#4973 D28

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 18:10

No has nothing to do with any designated Triple.Crown.



#4974 Steve99

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 07:35

Is this to do with podiums on their debut? I should say Grand Prix/F1 debut


Edited by Steve99, 17 July 2019 - 07:35.


#4975 E.B.

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 07:55

Mario got pole on his debut (as did JV) but I don't think he podiumed (sorry), as that race is known for being the last all-British podium to date.

Edited by E.B., 17 July 2019 - 07:56.


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Posted 17 July 2019 - 09:06

It wouldn't be Masahiro Hasemi, would it?



#4977 2F-001

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 10:06

I, too, was thinking about debut Grand prix performances, but couldn't make any connections at all (or any hierarchy either):

 

In case I'm missing something in that vein...

Villeneuve got pole and 2nd place;

Donohue and Gregory (I think...?) got 3rd place;

Andretti practised but was DNS (though I forget which race) (but was on pole, with a DNF, for the first one he actually started).

 

(and yes, Hasemi famously got fastest lap).

 

Also, we're told the extra name would complete the list, implying that no other drivers qualify for this group.

So I'm stumped for the time being!


Edited by 2F-001, 17 July 2019 - 10:08.


#4978 E.B.

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 10:31

The names are in order of relative importance of the accomplishment.


As it isn't quite clear whether this means increasing or decreasing order I'm going to guess Baghetti.

Btw, is Hasemi still considered the fastest lap setter? I thought it had been corrected to Laffite?

#4979 D28

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 13:07

I, too, was thinking about debut Grand prix performances, but couldn't make any connections at all (or any hierarchy either):

 

In case I'm missing something in that vein...

Villeneuve got pole and 2nd place;

Donohue and Gregory (I think...?) got 3rd place;

Andretti practised but was DNS (though I forget which race) (but was on pole, with a DNF, for the first one he actually started).

 

(and yes, Hasemi famously got fastest lap).

 

Also, we're told the extra name would complete the list, implying that no other drivers qualify for this group.

So I'm stumped for the time being!

Debut performance in WC F1 is the accomplishment these guys achieved and Andretti's  first official qualifying and start is considered, not his Monza  DNS. Now figure out their commonality outside racing, and the last name will be apparent. I believe the list to be complete at 5, to the best of my knowledge.



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#4980 Michael Ferner

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 13:09

outside racing, or outside F 1? :confused:

#4981 D28

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 13:17

outside racing, or outside F 1? :confused:

No completely outside motor racing altogether.



#4982 Steve99

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 14:02

The others weren't all terrible musicians as well as JV, were they? (only kidding...) 



#4983 D28

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 14:12

The others weren't all terrible musicians as well as JV, were they? (only kidding...) 

Well there is a Masten Gregory from Nottingham, singer/songwriter, but not the KC Flash, we all know.



#4984 D28

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 15:14

The 5th man is neither G Baghetti nor M Hasemi.



#4985 Steve99

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Posted Yesterday, 09:25

Something to do with being North American?



#4986 D28

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Posted Yesterday, 11:58

Something to do with being North American?

Exactly. Now just name the remaining North American who had an impressive debut in WC F1.


Edited by D28, Yesterday, 12:09.


#4987 Michael Ferner

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Posted Yesterday, 12:14

Gilles Villeneuve?

#4988 E.B.

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Posted Yesterday, 12:15

Herbert Fraser?

#4989 Michael Ferner

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Posted Yesterday, 12:16

Wait: didn't Phil Hill not also "podium" on his debut?

#4990 D28

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Posted Yesterday, 12:54

No he finished 7th in a Maserati France 58.



#4991 Michael Ferner

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Posted Yesterday, 13:12

So, what's the criterion, then? Mario didn't finish in the top six, either.

#4992 D28

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Posted Yesterday, 13:15

A front row qualifying spot, or a podium finish, Mario took pole at Watkins Glen.



#4993 D28

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Posted Yesterday, 13:52

Not Gilles Villeneuve nor Herbert Mackay-Fraser



#4994 Ray Bell

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Posted Yesterday, 18:49

Dan Gurney seems to be missing...

#4995 D28

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Posted Yesterday, 20:11

Not Dan; he had a very good start just not his very first outing.



#4996 nexfast

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Posted Yesterday, 20:59

If you consider North America to encompass Mexico, Ricardo Rodriguez was on the front row in his first GP.



#4997 D28

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Posted Yesterday, 21:21

If you consider North America to encompass Mexico, Ricardo Rodriguez was on the front row in his first GP.

Absolutely he is the one. His exploit was overshadowed by the disaster that followed, but  it was a significant debut, and he beat Ginther to that 2nd spot. Good work and over to you.


Edited by D28, Yesterday, 21:21.