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#51 cooper997

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 10:08

All this Bluebird and Elfin stuff might be better in thrreads related to them, but good stuff anyway..

 

Part of the 2014 Motorclassica Bluebird display

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#52 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 11:07

I'm not actually sure anymore which question is the last one any more but I'll have a stab with the Belgian Grand Prix 1968 question...

 

.. not held on a Sunday?



#53 E.B.

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 11:16

I think only the South African GP that year was held on a day other than Sunday, so not what I'm looking for.



#54 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 11:37

What did the 1968 Belgian GP have in common with most other races in world championship history, but that nevertheless made it unique in the 1968 championship season?

 

Pole sitter to lead the first lap.



#55 E.B.

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 11:40

Pole sitter to lead the first lap.

 

:clap:  You got it, congrats!



#56 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 11:55

Thanks! Name the only driver, whose name is misspeled on the Borg-Warner Trophy.



#57 E.B.

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 12:22

Jim Rathmann spelt with just one "n"?

#58 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 12:35

Jim Rathmann spelt with just one "n"?

Nope.

 

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#59 Michael Ferner

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 12:58

Chevroelt?

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#60 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 13:06

No.

 

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#61 StanBarrett2

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 13:32

Thanks! Name the only driver, whose name is misspeled on the Borg-Warner Trophy.

Probably driver Mispell himself



#62 john winfield

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 13:34

Probably driver Mispell himself

I'm sure that was irony on AAA's part!

 

Vukovich?



#63 Michael Ferner

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 13:42

Luyendijk, of course!

#64 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 14:33

Originally posted by AAA-Eagle
.....This was not the Elfin’s only association with Norman superchargers.....


Nor the first...

One of Eldred's Morris-chassis cars became the Cooper-Butler, considered by many the first of the Elfin line.

As for the superchargers, I understand that Mike Norman still makes them at Noosaville.

#65 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 15:36

I'm sure that was irony on AAA's part!

 

Vukovich?

No, not Vukovich

 

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#66 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 15:37

Luyendijk, of course!

As you may see, nothing wrong with his name too. So not him.

 

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#67 Michael Ferner

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 15:54

As you may see, nothing wrong with his name too. So not him.
 
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Protest! :evil:

His name is Arie Luyendijk, not Luyendyk, as everyone knows!

#68 E.B.

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 15:54

Cheated by looking at my own photos of the trophy. Now kicking myself.

#69 wolf sun

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 17:04

Protest! :evil:

His name is Arie Luyendijk, not Luyendyk, as everyone knows!

 

He changed his name at some point after he'd moved to the US iirc. So presumably the way it's spelt on the BW trophy is indeed correct.



#70 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 17:09

Protest! :evil:

His name is Arie Luyendijk, not Luyendyk, as everyone knows!

Strictly speaking his name in Dutch is Arie Luijendijk. But that's quite common practice to anglicise national names when you compete in foreign countries, especially in US, so Arie Luijendijk has logically become Arie Luyendyk. That's not mispelling, that's conscious step in order to be better recognized internationally, and for simplicity. Moreover man himself is now identify himself as Arie Luyendyk. You can see this even from his official twitter page: https://twitter.com/arieluyendyk.

 

Probably we need to determine exactly what is "mispelling" in our question. I propose to understand this term as erroneous spelling of driver's name on the trophy, which does not comply with his name in the contemporary official records (i.e. entry lists, race session protocols, overall finishing classiffication). So just look for a driver whose name on the Borg-Warner Trophy differs with spelling generally accepted at the time.



#71 ensign14

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 18:13

Kelly Petillo?  I can imagine someone swapping the ts and ls around.



#72 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 18:45

Kelly Petillo?  I can imagine someone swapping the ts and ls around.

No, there is everything correct with his name on the BW trophy:

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#73 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 19:22

Rodger Ward?

#74 Tim Murray

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 19:25

Seeing as his name is one of those I most often see misspelt, I'll go for Mark Donohue.

#75 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 20:08

Rodger Ward?

Not him:

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#76 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 20:09

Seeing as his name is one of those I most often see misspelt, I'll go for Mark Donohue.

Still no:

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#77 Michael Ferner

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 20:13

Rats, only one more guess left for me - if I had another fifty, I'm sure I could solve this! :lol:

#78 nexfast

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 21:16

Johnnie Parsons?



#79 ensign14

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 22:14

Maybe Pete de Paolo has become Paulo vel sim?



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#80 D-Type

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 22:30

Strictly speaking his name in Dutch is Arie Luijendijk. But that's quite common practice to anglicise national names when you compete in foreign countries, especially in US, so Arie Luijendijk has logically become Arie Luyendyk. That's not mispelling, that's conscious step in order to be better recognized internationally, and for simplicity. Moreover man himself is now identify himself as Arie Luyendyk. You can see this even from his official twitter page: https://twitter.com/arieluyendyk.

 

Probably we need to determine exactly what is "mispelling" in our question. I propose to understand this term as erroneous spelling of driver's name on the trophy, which does not comply with his name in the contemporary official records (i.e. entry lists, race session protocols, overall finishing classification). So just look for a driver whose name on the Borg-Warner Trophy differs with spelling generally accepted at the time.

A Dutch friend of mine said the letter was actually Ÿ ie a Y with an umhlaut or whatever the Dutch call it, or ij (a single letter) in lower case.  But this doesn't appear on a typewriter keyboard so ij (two letters) was used.  It makes no difference when hand writing it.  He eventually gave up writing his name as Tijn or Tijn and having to explain it and opted to lose the accent and spell his name Tyn ( apart from in the Netherlands).  It appears that Arie has made the same compromise.



#81 StanBarrett2

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 23:03

A Dutch friend of mine said the letter was actually Ÿ ie a Y with an umhlaut or whatever the Dutch call it, or ij (a single letter) in lower case.  But this doesn't appear on a typewriter keyboard so ij (two letters) was used.  It makes no difference when hand writing it.  He eventually gave up writing his name as Tijn or Tijn and having to explain it and opted to lose the accent and spell his name Tyn ( apart from in the Netherlands).  It appears that Arie has made the same compromise.

I am Dutch, and my surname is Fenijn. I have never heard of, or ever seen a Y with an umlaut ( called trema in the Netherlands.), because it is non existant in the Dutch language.

The so-called umlaut is this case is because it is an I and a J ... ij ..  what we refer to as a long  I  when spelling , as we refer to a short I  when writing  ei ... which has the same phonetical sound.

The confusion probably comes from longhand writing where the joined letters  ij , making the i and j looks like a y with umlaut.

 

I know from experiences abroad that non Dutch speakers have an easier time pronoucing my name as Fenyn than Fenijn.



#82 Sebastian Tombs

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 23:55

I think nexfast has been overlooked and supplied the correct answer...Johnny not Johnnie :well:

 

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#83 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 00:54

Johnnie Parsons?

Yes, that's Parsons (once again)!  :clap:  His name is menetioned as "Johnny Parsons" on the Borg-Warner Trophy, but he has always been known to racing community as Johnnie Parsons.

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Name "Johnny Parsons" was later used in racing competitions and Indy 500 by his son from the first marriage, being born as John Wayne Parsons.

 

Another difficult case connected with names "Juan Montoya" and "Juan Pablo Montoya": they are mentioned on the BW trophy for the same person -- Indianapolis 500 winner of 2000 and 2015. But that is not mispelling, as (although being born as Juan Pablo Montoya Roldan) when he started in CART and won his first Indy 500 in his only IRL start in 2000 he was known as Juan Montoya. Since 2001 (when he started competing in F1) he decided he wanted to be called officially Juan Pablo in all documents, and thus race promoters & media cooperated to mention him as Juan Pablo Montoya.

 

So it's up to you, nexfast!



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 02:13

Johhny's first point for the season  - drive shafts appear to still be there!

 

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 02:20

do not quite know how to post with a reply in the same post. am I correct in that the above photo is from the Canadian round at Mosport 1969 ? car number matches. but the caption reads "first Formula 1 race for almost a year" did not Gavin race at Germany, August 3rd. same year, and was not classified ? I got the information from "Grandprix.com"

 

Mike in Canada

 

 

Edit: my error  :blush: ..Gavin raced a F2 machine in Germany ! !


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#86 nexfast

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 05:27

An easy one. Who was the first Belgian to win a Formula One race?



#87 john winfield

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 06:46

Camille Jenatzy?



#88 nexfast

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 06:47

Formula One, not Grand Prix, so I'm afraid not.



#89 john winfield

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 06:55

Does José Scaron count? He was born in Brussels!



#90 nexfast

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 07:28

Sorry, John. He took french nationality early on his career but again it was not him I had in mind. Don't forget Formula 1 regulations were only drafted in 1946, if I'm not mistaken.



#91 E.B.

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 07:29

An easy one. Who was the first Belgian to win a Formula One race?


Johnnie Parsons?

#92 SJ Lambert

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 07:36

Thierry Boutsen?



#93 john winfield

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 07:41

Jacky Ickx? Or was there a non-championship winner back in the 1940s or 1950s?!



#94 nexfast

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 07:42

Neither Parsons :p nor Boutsen, but clearly closer to the former than the latter.



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 07:44

You almost got it, John, it is inded a non-championship race that was won by the mystery belgian driver.



#96 Tim Murray

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 07:47

Willy Mairesse?

#97 nexfast

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 07:56

Earlier, Tim. Seems is not as easy as I thought it was, so a few clues: 1) The race won by our belgian driver was run to F1 rules but not all cars were pukka F1 cars. 2) It was not in Belgium. 3) It was not in UK. 4) It is not run anymore.



#98 ChrisJson

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 07:58

Johnny Claes?



#99 Tim Murray

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 07:58

Johnny Claes?

Edit: just pipped by Chris :clap:

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#100 SJ Lambert

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 08:07

Did Gendebien win in Formula One?