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#101 nexfast

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 08:48

Sorry, guys I was in a meeting for a while but no, no Claes nor Gendebien. To help you no Swaters, Pilette (André) or Legat either.



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#102 Michael Ferner

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 09:12

Guy Mairesse was a Frenchman.

Yes, that's Parsons (once again)!  :clap:  His name is menetioned as "Johnny Parsons" on the Borg-Warner Trophy, but he has always been known to racing community as Johnnie Parsons.
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Name "Johnny Parsons" was later used in racing competitions and Indy 500 by his son from the first marriage, being born as John Wayne Parsons.


[bad loser]Hm. I'm not really convinced by this answer. The older Parsons was known mostly as "Johnny", and it was only after Parsons junior began competing that a point about the spelling was made.[/bad loser]

#103 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 09:14

Obviously you are looking for Roger Laurent and his victory behind the wheel of Ecurie Francorchamps' Talbot-Lago T26C in 1952 Suomen GP. The race was held in the downtown of Helsinki and was run to F1 rules. The victory was achieved only in the last straight of the last lap and crossing finish line Laurent was only a tenth of a second ahead of Swedish Erik Lundgren. That was maiden race for the rebranded Ecurie Francorchamps (in 1951 it had been raced as Ecurie Belgique, but after the end of the season the Royal Automobile Club de Belgique didn't sanctioned to use this name for private team, so they renamed themselves as Ecurie Francorchamps) and it achieved a victory in the first outings. Good start that was!

#104 nexfast

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 09:17

Exactly. Congrats! :clap: and ball back to you...



#105 Michael Ferner

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 09:18

[pout]... and I'm not convinced of Laurent, either. Just because Paul Sheldon decided to include some obscure Nordic races in his Black Books doesn't make them F1 races.[/pout]



#106 john winfield

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 09:22

Jacky Ickx!

 

(And I saw your poetry Tim Murray....it wasn't that bad. No need to be ashamed!)



#107 Michael Ferner

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 09:26

Yes, where did it go? Now my rebuttal of your answer looks completely silly! :drunk:



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 09:26

[bad loser]Hm. I'm not really convinced by this answer. The older Parsons was known mostly as "Johnny", and it was only after Parsons junior began competing that a point about the spelling was made.[/bad loser]

Look at the signature of the man:

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This one was taken at 1953 Indy 500 gathering, and I'm sure it sort out any questions.

Edited by AAA-Eagle, 18 July 2016 - 09:29.


#109 Michael Ferner

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 09:28

Yes, I know. Jimmy Wilburn also always signed as "Jimmie", but what's the difference?



#110 john winfield

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 09:31

Yes, where did it go? Now my rebuttal of your answer looks completely silly! :drunk:

I assumed you were losing your marbles and were just making random statements.  Can we all have a go? 



#111 john winfield

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 09:32

Jackie Ickx?



#112 Tim Murray

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 09:32

(And I saw your poetry Tim Murray....it wasn't that bad. No need to be ashamed!)

 

Yes, where did it go? Now my rebuttal of your answer looks completely silly! :drunk:


Rats! Thought I'd got away with that!

(For anyone confused, I posted Guy Mairesse as a guess, then remembered he was French and deleted the post, but not quickly enough. :blush:  Sincere apologies.)



#113 Michael Ferner

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 09:38

Jackie Ickx?

 

:lol:

 

QED



#114 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 09:41

Yes, I know. Jimmy Wilburn also always signed as "Jimmie", but what's the difference?

Well this is not the case as he didn't win the International Sweepstakes. But I have pointed to Parson's signature to explain quickly that it's doubtful statement on your side that the man was entirely recognized as Johnny and not Johnnie.

#115 nexfast

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 09:53

For some reason I cannot make quotes today but this is an answer to post 105 by Michael.

 

Surely one can argue endlessly what is or is not a Formula 1 race. Don't think though that this is the thread where we should do it.  And I think the spirit of the thread is to make things a little more tricky than the obvious, no? :smoking:



#116 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 09:58

Ok guys, the next one. Name the earliest known case when chequered flag in a WDC race was mistakely shown to a leader a lap before it was needed to be done.

Edited by AAA-Eagle, 18 July 2016 - 10:33.


#117 john winfield

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 10:19

1985 British GP?



#118 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 10:32

Nope.

#119 john winfield

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 12:34

1975 British GP.  

Should have been cut off at 57 laps not 56. Brambilla would have been second and both Ferraris would have been in the points. What's not to like?



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#120 Michael Ferner

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 13:09

For some reason I cannot make quotes today but this is an answer to post 105 by Michael.

 

Surely one can argue endlessly what is or is not a Formula 1 race. Don't think though that this is the thread where we should do it.  And I think the spirit of the thread is to make things a little more tricky than the obvious, no? :smoking:

 

Yes, yes and yes. I guess I was just a bit miffed because I was thinking of both Parsons and Laurent but didn't post because I thought the answers were too silly. :(

 

 

Back to Eagle's question: I'm sure I'm missing a Toto Roche story here, but my answer is Argentina 1978.



#121 Michael Ferner

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 13:22

Well this is not the case as he didn't win the International Sweepstakes. But I have pointed to Parson's signature to explain quickly that it's doubtful statement on your side that the man was entirely recognized as Johnny and not Johnnie.

 

Just a quick search for newspapers of May 31, 1950:

 

"Johnnie Parsons" - 1 hit

 

"Johnny Parsons" - 188 hits



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 16:26

1975 British GP.  

Should have been cut off at 57 laps not 56. Brambilla would have been second and both Ferraris would have been in the points. What's not to like?

 

 

Yes, yes and yes. I guess I was just a bit miffed because I was thinking of both Parsons and Laurent but didn't post because I thought the answers were too silly. :(

 

 

Back to Eagle's question: I'm sure I'm missing a Toto Roche story here, but my answer is Argentina 1978.

 

Good try, but think of another race.



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 16:33

Just a quick search for newspapers of May 31, 1950:

 

"Johnnie Parsons" - 1 hit

 

"Johnny Parsons" - 188 hits

Don't know what those misterious newspapers are, but my Floyd Clymer's yearbooks clearly show "Johnnie".



#124 E.B.

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 17:34

Don't know what those misterious newspapers are, but my Floyd Clymer's yearbooks clearly show "Johnnie".


Mine show Johnnie, Johnny and Jonnie. Within a few pages.

#125 Michael Ferner

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 18:22

Don't know what those misterious newspapers are, but my Floyd Clymer's yearbooks clearly show "Johnnie".

 

Well, back in ye olde times, people used to get their news from printed paper, usually in some oversize format, sold at so-called "newsstands" and made by editorial teams in every middle-sized town around the country. Quite handy.



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 18:44

Such variety and demand for the news (and their speed) sadly made it as a fact that typos were typical for contemporary editions. And even such credit one as Clymer's yearbooks tends to prone of such misspelling as obviously name "Jonnie" is. Quite possible "Johnny Parsons" on the BW trophy was inspired by such a typo, read and inherited by a silversmith from a newspaper and then carved onto the BW trophy. But for me it's clear that during all his racing career he identified himself as Johnnie Parsons. Official pre-race 1950 Indy 500 photo also helps, as well as Firestone advertising after the race:

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#127 E.B.

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 19:44

Way off topic from Parsonsgate, but 1965 South African GP?

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 20:06

Way off topic from Parsonsgate, but 1965 South African GP?

Bingo!  :up:  Eventual winner Jim Clark was waved chequered flag one lap earlier, but still completed another lap as his team indicated there is one lap to go. So inspite of initial error the race was run on sheduled distance.

 

Your turn!



#129 E.B.

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 20:13

Cool, the year was a bit of a guess, I just knew it was a Clark South African race. No harm done by the mistake it seems, unlike the time it happened in an AAA championship race in 1950, the leader taking the chequered flag a lap early and then proceeding to run out of fuel.........

Anyway - in which year did a rear engined car first actually manage to win a race on the US national championship trail?

#130 john winfield

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 20:19

1965 is too obvious so I'll go for 1965.  :)



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 20:28

1963, Milwaukee, Clark



#132 E.B.

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 20:29

1963, Milwaukee, Clark


Closer than John (by 2 full years), but no.

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 20:43

Indeed. Then it should be 1937 with Rosemeyer winning Vanderbilt cup race.



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 20:47

Indeed. Then it should be 1937 with Rosemeyer winning Vanderbilt cup race.


That's the one (as far as I know!). Curious as to why you didn't go for that one first!

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 22:14

That's the one (as far as I know!). Curious as to why you didn't go for that one first!

Somehow I forgot that Vanderbilt Cup was eligible US national championship event; this and also my recent thoughts of Clark led me straight to Milwaukee. But after your comment I have nothing to choose from, as everything became clear for me.

 

As for the next question: name chief designer/technical director who holds a record for biggest amount of WDC races in which constructed by him cars have participated..



#136 john winfield

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 22:21

Somehow I forgot that Vanderbilt Cup was eligible US national championship event; this and also my recent thoughts of Clark led me straight to Milwaukee. But after your comment I have nothing to choose from, as everything became clear for me.

 

As for the next question: name chief designer/technical director who holds a record for biggest amount of WDC races in which constructed by him cars have participated..

Given that modern WDC/Grand Prix seasons have so many more races than in earlier times I assume it must be  someone fairly recent; Adrian Newey? 



#137 SJ Lambert

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 23:51

Ron Tauranac?

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 00:46

Given that modern WDC/Grand Prix seasons have so many more races than in earlier times I assume it must be  someone fairly recent; Adrian Newey? 

Correct. With 472 WDC races and 475 WDC GP (1988-2005, 2007-onwards) Adrian Newey is on top of the list.



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Posted 19 July 2016 - 07:11

Here's the next question.  Where and when did Carlos Reutemann pip Niki Lauda, with another Brabham third? And why was Dave so happy?



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#140 Michael Ferner

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 09:33

Quick guess: 1978 British GP. Dave who?



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Posted 19 July 2016 - 09:38

Dave who? Good question, Michael! As you say, Carlos did pip Niki at Brands in 1978, with another Brabham in third (John Watson). But no, that's not what I'm after, not the 1978 British GP.

 

Earlier than 1978, and Dave was directly involved.



#142 Michael Ferner

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 09:42

So it must be an early 70s F2 race, and Dave perhaps Dave Morgan. I'd have to check some books to make a call, is that within the rules?

#143 john winfield

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 09:46

You're very, very warm! Book checking is fine with me...... :)



#144 Michael Ferner

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 09:49

:) Second heat of the 1972 Mallory Park F2 opener. Morgan was overall winner! :clap:

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 09:55

Here's the next question.  Where and when did Carlos Reutemann pip Niki Lauda, with another Brabham third? And why was Dave so happy?

 

A bit of Googling implies that Reutemann oft gave Lauda the pip...



#146 john winfield

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 10:08

:) Second heat of the 1972 Mallory Park F2 opener. Morgan was overall winner! :clap:

 

Full marks to Mr. Ferner! Yes, Dave Morgan was the surprise aggregate winner in (Ed Reeves'?) old BT35, keeping Lauda and Reutemann in sight in the second part, having won the first. It must have been very satisfying for Morgan after the stick he took in 1970.

 

I was at Mallory in 1972. It was a bright spring day, big crowd and some top names, even with the non-starters you expect for the first race of the F2 season. I remember, I think, Ronnie Peterson being easily the fastest (red STP March 722?), but retiring in the first part. Records show he must have been allowed to start in the second part, but crashed on lap 3. I was at the esses, but can't recall anything about Ronnie's accident. If I'd been there in 1971 I would! A few weeks later I saw Ronnie dominate at Thruxton where hardly anyone finished.

 

Over to you Michael.



#147 Michael Ferner

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 11:59

Okay, my question needs a bit of a explaining: many years ago, I had some spare time on my hands and devised an "Alternate F1 Championship" (as you do) on the basis of lap-by-lap standings. That is, I assigned the same amount of championship points as in the real world, but broken down into individual lap standings, so that the leader in a, say, 50-lap race got one fiftieth of the points for a win on each lap led, the second-placed driver one fiftieth of the points for second place and so on (I hope you get the idea). This was quite interesting, as drivers leading much of the way but retiring close to the finish still scored a lot of points that way, and the "Championship" often took on a very different complexion.

Once, the driver leading in points went into the last race of the season needing only one single lap in sixth place to clinch the "title", while the runner-up needed to lead every single lap of the race in order to overhaul him even if he failed. What happened was exactly that: driver A dramatically failed to break into the top six, while driver B led flag to flag to win the "Championship" in the last minute - literally!! Alternate reality can be so much fun! :) :) :) :)

What was the year, and who were the drivers involved?

#148 Jim Thurman

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 15:23

[bad loser]Hm. I'm not really convinced by this answer. The older Parsons was known mostly as "Johnny", and it was only after Parsons junior began competing that a point about the spelling was made.[/bad loser]

 

Yes, a bad loser :D Newspapers consistently made the same error that the engraver of the Borg-Warner Trophy did. Anyone with a less common spelling will automatically become the more common in most newspaper accounts. Which doesn't make them right! 

 

How about this for a final word on it:

http://www.findagrav...185&PIpi=467779

 

Oh, and I knew this one   ;)


Edited by Jim Thurman, 19 July 2016 - 15:24.


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Posted 19 July 2016 - 16:22

1977. A-Andretti. B-Hunt



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Posted 19 July 2016 - 16:39

Torn between 3 different seasons, and remarkably they are consecutive.

Eeny meeny, I'll say Stewart over Emmo in 1972, ulcer notwithstanding.