1027 replies to this topic

[SenorSjon]

You only need satnav to find the track again from the F1 vantage point in the car.

[Beri]

You only need satnav to find the track again from the F1 vantage point in the car.

 

Doesnt it get tiring to you as well? Seeing people making these jokes, or to make them yourself, about Paul Ricard? The first year they were fun. But nowadays they are boring.

[Risil]

How long have people made jokes about it being hard to overtake at Monaco? There's your answer.

[Clatter]

How long have people made jokes about it being hard to overtake at Monaco? There's your answer.

Don't think they are making jokes when they say it about Monaco.

[SenorSjon]

Doesnt it get tiring to you as well? Seeing people making these jokes, or to make them yourself, about Paul Ricard? The first year they were fun. But nowadays they are boring.

Every year the track returns in this psychedelic form, the jokes do to. But in simracing it can be hard to rejoin the track where you left it. Usually steaming on and picking non-painted parts do help, but you might cut off more than RC likes.

[djparky]

The limit in the rules os the white line. Has always been like this.
Incompetent RC allowed drivers to abuse it for years

Totally agree...I'd be harsher..3 strikes then drive through in the race

[cbo]

Welcome to Paul Ricard. That’s exactly what the runoff at Paul Ricard has. They even have different levels of it. The red stripes are more abrasive than the blue stripes, in case you were wondering why there are different colours.

Exactly 🙂

Question is whether, say, the red colour would be rough enough to dissuade the drivers from crossing tracklimits if painted alongside the entire track - on all tracks.

Edited by cbo, 22 July 2022 - 21:13.

[FLB]

There was some racing in Spa-Francorchamps this weekend, as a preview to the 24H. During the qualifying sessions for various series on Saturday, 30 laptimes were deleted in French GT, 11 in British GT, 2 in GB3, 5 in TC France and 4 in GT2...   

 

Laurent Mercier sur Twitter : "Les chiffres du samedi : 30 chronos annulés en Qualifs FFSA GT pour les limites de piste, 11 en British GT, 2 en GB3, 5 en TC France et 4 en GT2. #Spa" / Twitter

[PayasYouRace]

Looks like the drivers did well to keep it between the lines at Paul Ricard today. Looks like when you enforce the rules, top line professional drivers can are able to comply.

[JeePee]

Looks like the drivers did well to keep it between the lines at Paul Ricard today. Looks like when you enforce the rules, top line professional drivers can are able to comply.

Russell did manage to keep his gap to Perez by going wide at the entry of the straight in the last two laps though.

[Bleu]

Looks like the drivers did well to keep it between the lines at Paul Ricard today. Looks like when you enforce the rules, top line professional drivers can are able to comply.

 

While obviously there is lot of room to go outside the track in Circuit Paul Ricard, the natural lines don't seem that risky regarding track limits unlike in last two corners in Austria. 

[MikeTekRacing]

Russell did manage to keep his gap to Perez by going wide at the entry of the straight in the last two laps though.

Which is not judged as leaving the track and gaining an advantage

[RacingGreen]

Russell did manage to keep his gap to Perez by going wide at the entry of the straight in the last two laps though.

 

Given that on lap 42 Perez cut the chicane to avoid Russell as George when he was going up the inside without any penalty, giving one to George later would have been just adding insult to injury. I think George kept a wheel ( or half a wheel ) on the track anyway so wasn't "completely" off the circuit.

 

By the way, as much as I am in favour of policing the track limits, I wouldn't have given any penalties for those incidents either.  

Edited by RacingGreen, 24 July 2022 - 21:57.

[MikeTekRacing]

Given that on lap 42 Perez cut the chicane to avoid Russell as George when he was going up the inside without any penalty, giving one to George later would have been just adding insult to injury. I think George kept a wheel ( or half a wheel ) on the track anyway so wasn't "completely" off the circuit.

By the way, as much as I am in favour of policing the track limits, I wouldn't have given any penalties for those incidents either.

Yeah, how dared Checo not let himself put out of the race

[smitten]

Given that on lap 42 Perez cut the chicane to avoid Russell as George when he was going up the inside without any penalty, giving one to George later would have been just adding insult to injury. I think George kept a wheel ( or half a wheel ) on the track anyway so wasn't "completely" off the circuit.

 

By the way, as much as I am in favour of policing the track limits, I wouldn't have given any penalties for those incidents either.  

But Perez also didn't follow the procedure for missing that chicane, did he?  He actually ended up ahead of Sainz (although he rapidly gave up the spot) so you could argue he got quite a lot of advantage from going off track and/or not following the procedure for missing that chicane.

 

I remain baffled by when these incidents are and are not considered 'racing incidents'. 

[Beri]

If any penalty had to be given, Russell should have gotten it.
But happily there wasn't a penalty given.

[MikeTekRacing]

But Perez also didn't follow the procedure for missing that chicane, did he?  He actually ended up ahead of Sainz (although he rapidly gave up the spot) so you could argue he got quite a lot of advantage from going off track and/or not following the procedure for missing that chicane.

 

I remain baffled by when these incidents are and are not considered 'racing incidents'. 

he did not miss the chicane. He avoided an accident.

Actually, the smart thing to do would have been to go the long way, lose the position to Russel and advocate for a switch/penalty.

He would have had time to cool his tyres and recharge - giving Russel even less time to attack him

[mkad]

Did we get an explanation on how or why they thought that Perez was outside the track limits? Is there now some semi-automated system which gave a false positive?

[Arundo]

https://www.motorspo...imits/10346043/

[BRG]

So Horner and Co whining loudly enough, coupled with apologists like TV commentator Coulthard and others, and we are back to the situation where you can drive where you like.  If you are Red Bull, anyway.  FIA are now proven to have zero backbone.  Well, it was nice while it lasted. 

[Arundo]

So Horner and Co whining loudly enough, coupled with apologists like TV commentator Coulthard and others, and we are back to the situation where you can drive where you like.  If you are Red Bull, anyway.  FIA are now proven to have zero backbone.  Well, it was nice while it lasted. 

 

Is that what you got from the link I posted ? 

 

"I think we can do ourselves a favour and make it a lot easier by adding a bit of gravel on the exits or whatever," Verstappen said.

 

I believe this is the solution the majority here wants, atleast I want it. So we can get rid of those parkinglots. I dont see it as whining. 

I really dont get the whining comment, can we just accept that even Redbull people can come up with an argument that is valid and needs a solution ?

Edited by Arundo, 31 July 2022 - 09:22.

[PayasYouRace]

So Horner and Co whining loudly enough, coupled with apologists like TV commentator Coulthard and others, and we are back to the situation where you can drive where you like.  If you are Red Bull, anyway.  FIA are now proven to have zero backbone.  Well, it was nice while it lasted. 

 

Sorry, where have you got this from? We're not back to a situation where you can drive where you like. Even if they are whining about it not being clear, the application of the rules hasn't been changed.

 

I'd also like to add that others like Brundle are praising the firm stance on the rules as they're currently being applied.

[BRG]

Is that what you got from the link I posted ? 

 

No.  It is obvious that there was lobbying by the team to get the Perez decision reversed.  Horner whines, race direction crumbles.

 

It isn't always about what Max says. 

[F1 Mike]

Verstappen saying what we've all been saying for years! Have track edging that penalizes the driver for running wide instead of rewarding and it's problem solved.

The FIA have created this problem

[SophieB]

No.  It is obvious that there was lobbying by the team to get the Perez decision reversed.  Horner whines, race direction crumbles.

 

It isn't always about what Max says. 

It was very quickly obvious on tv that Perez’s deleted lap was valid. 

[Clatter]

No.  It is obvious that there was lobbying by the team to get the Perez decision reversed.  Horner whines, race direction crumbles.

 

It isn't always about what Max says. 

 

The competitor has the right to appeal, and in this case the time was correctly reinstated. I'd be surprised if all teams didn't appeal the close calls.

[PlatenGlass]

I think it's pretty embarassing for F1 that they don't have an accurate detection system, like e.g. Hawkeye in tennis, to judge these things. There shouldn't be mistakes.

Edited by PlatenGlass, 31 July 2022 - 10:11.

[Arundo]

I think it's pretty embarassing for F1 that they don't have an accurate detection system, like e.g. Hawkeye in tennis, to judge these things. There shouldn't be mistakes.

Yeah i was very suprised as to what Max said that they use the camera for it. In this hightech sport they should be able to do better if they want to insist on the damn tracklimits.

I would still prefer gravel etc to enforce them.

Edited by Arundo, 31 July 2022 - 12:17.