43 replies to this topic

[Sharman]

I know it is a pale shadow of its former self but i still like to go and get soaking wet at the Gold Cup. Has anybody seen an entry list?

[Tim Murray]

They haven't published one yet on the HSCC site but should do before much longer.

[Sharman]

Thanks Tim, I had looked there of course but memory being what it is these days, I wasn't sure if they actually did show it.
John

[elansprint72]

I know it is a pale shadow of its former self but i still like to go and get soaking wet at the Gold Cup. Has anybody seen an entry list?

No.

MSV have produced an all-singing website for the event, which is far less informative than their bog-standard calendar/event info page. 

[Cirrus]

The entries only closed on Friday (when most of the HSCC office staff were involved at Croft). As is usually the way with HSCC meetings, a lot of people (sometimes as many as 40%) won't enter until they know they've survived the previous meeting unscathed.

 

The entry list should be on the website about 10 days or so before the event.

[Alan Cox]

Leaving aside Cirrus's race for Historic FF2000s (faithfully sponsored by a keen TNFer), at least we will have the pleasure of a rear-engined pre-'66 HGPCA race this year, something that has been sadly lacking in recent years. This is the sort of category which really should be encouraged in order to celebrate Gold Cup history. However, with Zandvoort, Spa, and Goodwood following on successive weekends, no doubt the entry will fall some way short of the 34 rear-engined cars entered for the Silverstone Classic.



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Alan Cox

[Peter Horsman]

It's difficult to predict which cars will actually be there, but we're hoping for more than 25 cars including the two Lotus 25s. Fingers crossed!

[Alan Cox]

Provisional entry list here (excluding the HGPCA races) http://www.hscc.org....Gold_Cup_V1.pdf
Nice to see that the Historic Gold Cup will be reserved for the overall winner of the two HGPCA races

[Mallory Dan]

Interesting to see Mr Worrad's return

[elansprint72]

Provisional entry list here (excluding the HGPCA races) http://www.hscc.org....Gold_Cup_V1.pdf
Nice to see that the Historic Gold Cup will be reserved for the overall winner of the two HGPCA races

Personally I could live without the "Super Touring" cars with all their massive transporters and huge tents and egos, etc. Maybe in ten years I'll have changed my mind?

 

No news of the F1 entry yet?

[Sharman]

Personally I could live without the "Super Touring" cars with all their massive transporters and huge tents and egos, etc. Maybe in ten years I'll have changed my mind?

 

No news of the F1 entry yet?

Aren't the "Super Touring" cars in private hands by now?

[elansprint72]

Aren't the "Super Touring" cars in private hands by now?

Yes! With massive transporters, huge tents and egos, etc. 

[Sharman]

Yes! With massive transporters, huge tents and egos, etc. 

Bit of a change from the first time I saw Touring cars at Oulton, Tony Brooks in a DKW, Girling in a Standard 10 (with wire wheels!!) Jo Bonnier in an Alfa 1900 etc

 

Addendum

I've just looked up that race 1954, Wharton in an Austin Westminster, Hawthorn in a Zephyr but I also remember meeting JMH coming the other way in his 750S, I had just left the Red Lion at Little Budworth after a lunch time pie and pint, I was driving a Mk V Jag and there was just room for me to cringe into the grass verge as he came past with a grin and a lot of noise. I think my hero worship dates from that time.

Edited by Sharman, 21 August 2016 - 19:03.

[Alan Cox]

No news of the F1 entry yet?

Yes, http://www.hscc.org....Gold_Cup_V2.pdf
Only one Lotus 25 for Nick Fennell, but one is infinitely better than none

[elansprint72]

Get your ear-plugs ready, there will be a Lotus 43 demo:

 

http://news.oultonpa...il&utm_content=

[dwh43scale]

Weather taking a turn for the worst ... still only Wednesday

[Peter Horsman]

Sorry guys. Both 25s hors de combat. One with gearbox issues and t'other engine.  :-(

[Martyn Hey]

Supporting display of old stock cars included the first car apparently raced by Bernie Ecclestone...

 

 

[Martyn Hey]

Throttle control on a slippery surface...

 

https://youtu.be/Ai_SmavyCFk

[Sharman]

Did anybody get any decent photos please. I went on Saturday and my camera steadfastly refused to operate. I need them for an American friend who could not attend because of a surgical intervention, happily with positive results.

Aside from that had a grand day out good racing especially the the 2nd 70s road sports with a Europa, a 240Z and a Plus 8 battling race long and at times 3 abreast round Old Hall. As an aside I don't think I've ever (as a TVR 2 time owner) seen 3 Griffiths together at one time. 

Edited by Sharman, 30 August 2016 - 11:58.

[Martyn Hey]

Also watched that (most entertaining) Roadsports race from the stand at Old Hall, may have been a few seats away. 

[Martyn Hey]

 

 

 

 

 

[foxyracer]

Did anybody get any decent photos please. I went on Saturday and my camera steadfastly refused to operate. I need them for an American friend who could not attend because of a surgical intervention, happily with positive results.

Aside from that had a grand day out good racing especially the the 2nd 70s road sports with a Europa, a 240Z and a Plus 8 battling race long and at times 3 abreast round Old Hall. As an aside I don't think I've ever (as a TVR 2 time owner) seen 3 Griffiths together at one time. 

 

See https://www.dropbox....QpK_QWS6ua?dl=0

and https://www.dropbox....X9gzGu1OLa?dl=0

[Sharman]

See https://www.dropbox....QpK_QWS6ua?dl=0

and https://www.dropbox....X9gzGu1OLa?dl=0

Thank you very much indeed, I can now send those off to California and also report that I met a college friend I have not seen for over 40 years, my American friend knows him independently. Small world isn't it? Then I suppose not in the field of Motor Sport, we do get around.

[Tim Murray]

What a glorious day it was yesterday, for both weather and motor racing.

I'd never seen one of these before - Thomas White's Osella FF2000


TNF's Iain Rowley in the Assegai


Steve Worrad's Palliser


The first lap of the first FFord race - Benn Simms in the Jomo JMR7 leads the Merlyn Mk20s of Callum Grant, Max Bartell and eventual race winner Sam Mitchell


For me, this was the star of the show - Andy Middlehurst's Lotus 43-BRM H16, a few weeks short of 50 years since it first appeared at Oulton




It was great to see TNF's Peter Horsman win the Oulton Park Gold Cup in his Lotus 18/21 after a good battle with Rod Jolley's Cooper in the second race.

[delta]

Many thanks for posting pictures. We had a great couple of races in the Assegai. P5 overall and P2 class. Now been dumped for a more younger quicker driver but been a lot of fun.

[dwh43scale]

Will post snaps from Monday in next few days, including the Assegai.

[Slurp1955]

Good to see Oulton's policy of charging an extra tenner to sit in the stands paying off...... reminds me of Newcastle United's visit to Camp Nou  

[SJ Lambert]

I hear Andy Middlehurst sourced the H16 engine for the 43 from a museum in Australia, anyone got specifics??

[elansprint72]

Have to say I found the whole thing a bit underwhelming, compared to what I remember.

[Sharman]

Have to say I found the whole thing a bit underwhelming, compared to what I remember.

As the OP I refer you to my OP

[bradbury west]

Talking of photos, the Mike Hayward collection has a good range of shots from the Gold Cup. Sorry cannot post a link.
Roger Lund

[David Beard]

What a glorious day it was yesterday, for both weather and motor racing.

I'd never seen one of these before - Thomas White's Osella FF2000

 

 

 

Tom and his Dad Sean joined one of our Northern TNF meets not so long ago. 

 

Some of my snaps here...

https://www.flickr.c...157673188710735

Edited by David Beard, 04 September 2016 - 19:18.

[elansprint72]

As the OP I refer you to my OP

OP, Dr. P needs to kick out the HSCC (who have turned this two-day event into a three-day event and down-graded it into one of their over-stretched clubbies, which are aimed at the competitors, rather than paying public)...  and get the OPGC back to where it belongs. imho.

[Sharman]

OP, Dr. P needs to kick out the HSCC (who have turned this two-day event into a three-day event and down-graded it into one of their over-stretched clubbies, which are aimed at the competitors, rather than paying public)...  and get the OPGC back to where it belongs. imho.

I take it you mean as a non-championship Formula 1 event!

[dwh43scale]

OP, Dr. P needs to kick out the HSCC (who have turned this two-day event into a three-day event and down-graded it into one of their over-stretched clubbies, which are aimed at the competitors, rather than paying public)...  and get the OPGC back to where it belongs. imho.

 

Analysis above about right in my book.

 

Only attended on Monday and found the racing varied between very good and somewhat strung out. Some grids fairly thin (impact of increasing number of historic meetings ?).

 

If you want to see artisan produce and WW2 re-enactments, then fine, but I was looking for good racing, with decent sized grids, on an excellent circuit and it didn't quite deliver.

 

Lovely weather helped.

[Sharman]

Analysis above about right in my book.
 
Only attended on Monday and found the racing varied between very good and somewhat strung out. Some grids fairly thin (impact of increasing number of historic meetings ?).
 
If you want to see artisan produce and WW2 re-enactments, then fine, but I was looking for good racing, with decent sized grids, on an excellent circuit and it didn't quite deliver.
 
Lovely weather helped.

I have to admit that I did a great deal of nattering with old friends, I should have gone back on the Monday as my one time navigator attended, but couldn't desert the memsahib two days in a row. (Actually her involvement in the sport was earlier than mine having been taken to Brooklands in her pram where her Uncle was racing a 350 AJS

[bill p]

[quote name="David Beard" post="7680952" timestamp="1473016325"]Tom and his Dad Sean joined one of our Northern TNF meets not so long ago. 
 
Some of my snaps here...

Great photos, David

Thank you for posting, Bill P

[dwh43scale]

https://www.flickr.com/gp/dwh38/35i208

 

A few snaps from Monday ...

[bill p]

https://www.flickr.com/gp/dwh38/35i208
 
A few snaps from Monday ...

More excellent photos, dwh - I like the Tecno!

Thank you

[Peter Morley]

I hear Andy Middlehurst sourced the H16 engine for the 43 from a museum in Australia, anyone got specifics??

 

There were two H-16 BRMs in the Australian museum that closed down (Fremantle?).

Andy bought both of them.

P83, 8301 had been converted to F5000 spec. when it lost its H-16 engine & gearbox.

And the P109 which was displayed at Expo67 in Montreal in 1967 and had most of an H-16 engine and gearbox - which is what was used to provide the engine for the Lotus 43 (the only part Hall & Hall couldn't produce was the crankcase).

[SJ Lambert]

Thanks Peter, super effort from those involved!!!

[john aston]

HSCC do a great job of putting on historic  racing and the Wolds Trophy at Cadwell and Croft Nostalgia meetings are exemplary and 'must see' events for me . . These are two day events and I am perturbed if the Gold Cup , like the Donington Classic, is being stretched to 3 days . Are we sure this is down to the Club and if so , why do it ? Some testing on a friday(or sat in this case)for those who want it and can afford it  and practice /racing on sat /sun seems like a good recipe.   

[Cirrus]

The Gold Cup has been a 3-day event for over 10 years.