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Are Googles stand-alone AV plans in trouble?


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#1 mariner

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 09:54

An article in the print edition of Autocar magazine suggests there are problems at Google with it's AV program. I'm not sure how valid the report is but in summary

 

1) Their AV Chief Engineer is said to have resigned.

 

2) They have been dealt a big blow by the California highways dept. which has insisted in its AV on the public highway legislation that a steering wheel and controls remain on AV’s. This is something Google has fought as it sees an AV as completely free of human control in production.

 

3) Their testing mileage is still low, quoted as 1.7M miles and never above 25 mph.

 

4) The Google maps software is now realised as inadequate for safe AV control so they need better mapping and LIDAR etc.

 

I'm not sure if any of those  issue will stop a company with the huge cash reserves of Google but it does suggest that the more incremental approach of the traditional mfrs. may be closing the gap to Google’s AV project. Certainly on-highway testing is essential and Google still seems to drive its prototypes only around Silicon Valley.

 

The last point about the limitations of Google maps for AV control is maybe the most interesting. Apparently Google maps are a fairly simple 2D database. My son  who works with digital mapping surprised me about 12 months ago by explaining that Google maps may be very useful and are the de facto source for route planning and looking at potential holiday spots etc. but are not considered very good by in depth digital mapping experts. So what one might think of as Google’s obvious competitive advantage may actually be weakness.

 

Maybe that’s why Mercedes bought up one of the very detailed digital mapping companies recently and might now have an edge on Google.

 

I'm sure Google can fix these things but the question is how much will they spend if they can’t secure new revenue sources out of it?

 

 

 



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#2 Greg Locock

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 10:14

Dead Henry has announced his plan to introduce a controlless AV in 5 years. http://www.bbc.com/n...nology-37103159



#3 saudoso

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 10:39

As for google maps I did digital maps & automated routing on the early 90s and but for the addition of real time traffic it's the same data. 



#4 Greg Locock

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Posted 20 August 2016 - 01:10

I notice that Volvo have said that their AV will not be a general purpose AV, initially, but will be an urban taxi replacement.



#5 imaginesix

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Posted 20 August 2016 - 02:51

Dead Henry has announced his plan to introduce a controlless AV in 5 years. http://www.bbc.com/n...nology-37103159


Sergei Brin made the same prediction at the end of 2012. Obviously that won't happen. I give them 15 years before people can hail a level 4 AV from anywhere in a city using an app. Maybe 10.

#6 Greg Locock

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Posted 20 August 2016 - 07:47

I agree, 2022 seems a bit unlikely, but it is a bit odd for them to shout about it unless there is a fair degree of confidence. 5 years out means that the technology is implementation ready, they are within a year of having a chassis and powertrain, and three years from a final top hat. Now, I could believe that the DAT group are operating on top hat timing, but so far as I'm aware the technology readiness timeline is non negotiable (too many burnt fingers there).

 

And here endeth the jargon splurge for today.

 

implementation ready=if a program needs that technology then they can use it without expecting to have to do any research. Suppliers are available

top hat= body and interior, sits on an underbody

underbody= chassis and powertrain (my bits)

DAT= Driver assistance technologies (and replacement I suppose)

technology readiness= project management methodology for introducing new technology into cars

non negotiable=negotiable (until fingers get burnt again)



#7 Lotus53B

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Posted 24 August 2016 - 17:45

An interesting article on the navigation issues that Google are facing.