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[Graveltrappen]

Nice way to dispose of unwanted F1 cars...

https://youtu.be/P3YO9UDidbc

[CommanderShepard]

What the hell is Boss GP? Why did he drive like Verstappen's grandma? Why was a Benetton featured in this race? Why is Luke Skywalker racing in this series?

[Muppetmad]

What the hell is Boss GP? Why did he drive like Verstappen's grandma? Why was a Benetton featured in this race? Why is Luke Skywalker racing in this series?

Because IndyCar. Oh wait, wrong thread...

[fridge46]

Because IndyCar. Oh wait, wrong thread...

 

Because IndyCar. The car we were onboard with was apparently a Panoz DP01 - last used at the 2008 GP of Long Beach.

 

They are now causing trouble in Europe

[muramasa]

stoopid

 

what's more stupid is this thing is certified by FIA

there should be UNESCO equivalent body/framework for motorsport to give proper protection to those cars

[tearitup]

A benetton after 1995? Let it burn i say

[DutchQuicksilver]

Ridiculous racing class indeed. People with no experience at all, racing with fast cars, very dangerous.

[KWSN - DSM]

I would love being able to pedal one of those around a real racing track, this was effen Monza!!! Naturally a shame the clashed, but pretty sure is an exception more than a rule.

 

[johnmhinds]

Isn't the first time this year that the Benetton has been crashed:

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=s4c51CiswFc

I think it's cool that some of these old cars get to race, keeping old race cars locked up seems like more of a waste.

[CommanderShepard]

A benetton after 1995? Let it burn i say

Even if those cars were crap, they were still V10's. Actually 1996 and 1997 Benetton wasn't that bad.

Edited by CommanderShepard, 31 August 2016 - 19:50.

[Dan333SP]

I don't get the hate for this series. We all complain about the sound of F1 cars today (or at least many of us do), and here you have an actual racing series where you can go see at least a handful of V10/V8 F1 cars being driven in anger.

 

Sure, it's at 70% of their potential and the field-fillers are a bunch of old WSR or A1GP cars, but I'd love to see this series in person if for no other reason than to see that Jaguar in the flesh for the first time in 10 years.

 

Definitely a bone-headed move that destroyed the Benetton, though. Part of me blames the guy in the Panoz, because he left room and then closed it, but the other part of me blames the driver of the Benetton because he should have known the guy ahead would move left around that kink.

[Silverstone96]

Some great cars in this series but it's badly organised and badly run, has been for years.

In the right hands with the right promotion just think what this series could be though given what f1 is currently like though. Shame

[muramasa]

　

I love seeing those classic cars running on track (I've seen those old cars esp Honda powered cars run on track in so many motor sport fan events in Japan as well as at JPGP at Suzuka), certainly better and appreciate if not just running on track at 150kmph but running in anger as long as machinery is capable, but "racing" like that is stupid idea imo.

Edited by muramasa, 31 August 2016 - 19:57.

[johnmhinds]

Even if those cars were crap, they were still V10's. Actually 1996 and 1997 Benetton wasn't that bad.

Most of these had their original engines ripped out before they were sold off, Judd engines are the most popular replacement.

[Radoye]

Definitely a bone-headed move that destroyed the Benetton, though. Part of me blames the guy in the Panoz, because he left room and then closed it, but the other part of me blames the driver of the Benetton because he should have known the guy ahead would move left around that kink.

There never was room there, it is not a place to try overtaking on the inside of that kink. Indeed a bone-headed move. As for the Panoz driver, he never bothered to check his mirrors, he should've known the other car was there. Also, if he didn't mess up Lesmos, the Benetton guy probably never would have a chance to catch him there.

 

Very, very poor driving form both of these guys.

[muramasa]

　

Judd engine? So those cars are already practically destroyed before crash anyways.

 

The old Minardi, Larrousse, Tyrrell, Ferrari etc I sometimes get to see (and probably kept and maintained as well) in Japan all runs in its original form and engine (ferrari, lambo, ford etc), which is why it's so special to see them on track.

[Myrvold]

Isn't the first time this year that the Benetton has been crashed:

I think it's cool that some of these old cars get to race, keeping old race cars locked up seems like more of a waste.

Never mind the Benetton... That is an actual Forti ffs!! That is amazing to see!

[Dr. Austin]

Ridiculous racing class indeed. People with no experience at all, racing with fast cars, very dangerous.

 

It's their cars, their money and their lives. Don't want to accept the danger? Go home.

[Dr. Austin]

 Part of me blames the guy in the Panoz, because he left room and then closed it, but the other part of me blames the driver of the Benetton because he should have known the guy ahead would move left around that kink.

 

It's always the champcar's fault.

 

Another skanky looking DP01 is trashed. Life is good.

[Dan333SP]

　
Judd engine? So those cars are already practically destroyed before crash anyways.

The old Minardi, Larrousse, Tyrrell, Ferrari etc I sometimes get to see (and probably kept and maintained as well) in Japan all runs in its original form and engine (ferrari, lambo, ford etc), which is why it's so special to see them on track.

Pretty sure the STR and Jaguar are both running "real" Cosworth V10s. They certainly sound like they did in period, at least.

[Dan333SP]

https://youtu.be/PqDo1wUXx9E

[chunder27]

This is what happens when you let very rich businessmen who used to watch F1 as a kid loose on very fast tracks in cars they have no idea how to really race. They can drive them, but then so could we if we had one.

 

But they don't have much clue how to push them hard, react to situations or deal with the kind of stuff singe seater racers do on a yearly basis.

 

Try watching some forms of historic racing and you will see exactly the same kind of thing at every event you watch at! Or alternatively if you really want to laugh watch the Ferrari client events when you get even richer plebs taking a dump over years of Ferrari history by tooling round Spa or Monza for no doubt tens of thousands of Euros making the cars and themselves look idiotic.

While I understand it's great for SOME people to see these old cars, it isn't OK to see them being driven by people who are no more qualified to drive them than I am or anyone else, and quite frankly have no right to drive them. They simply have more money.

 

And Dan, Zwart is hilarious, he turns up with loads of mechanics and uses tyre warmers etc, bit like blokes turning up to single stage rallies with ex works mechanics and a current WRC car. But fair play at least he gives it the berries!

Edited by chunder27, 31 August 2016 - 21:49.

[Myrvold]

I don't see how people are so against this, or maybe it's that people struggle to accept that others have made more money through their life, and decide to spend it on what they like.
Heck, I am pretty sure I would've done quite well against many of the Boss drivers, but I have no issues with it anyway.

[jonpollak]

This is a British bulletin board Myrv..

They specialize in sour grapes. It's part of their misbegotten, all-inclusive, egalitarian upbringing.

I say.."Let 'em all go" ....Well no, not really, that's Chris Economaki's catch phrase but I stand by the ethos of that statement.

 

Jp

 

EDIT:  Oh and I LOVE your Eleanor Roosevelt signature....of which, I have just fallen foul.

Edited by jonpollak, 31 August 2016 - 22:34.

[KWSN - DSM]

If I had the money I would, if I had the money I would be at Le Mans as a Gentleman Racer. Until I actually race / drive one of those cars I have no idea how good pr bad I would be compared to them.

 

[muramasa]

I don't see how people are so against this, or maybe it's that people struggle to accept that others have made more money through their life, and decide to spend it on what they like.
Heck, I am pretty sure I would've done quite well against many of the Boss drivers, but I have no issues with it anyway.

I'm not against the activity itself at all, I'm just talking from the preserving heritage point of view so to speak, and maybe some others are too. I mean, would you not mind hammering or exploding tower of london or windsor castle or whatever heritage site/construction for shooting movies? I know that's bit too extreme but that is my point. Wouldnt you lament if legendary ferrari or mclaren or williams f1 cars get trashed? I'm not saying they shouldnt be run at all. Only 2 or 3 Brawn F1 car exist, only one or two of Prost's or Senna's MP4/x exist, yeah let them run at Goodwood for instance. There is a risk of crashing due to mistake or failure or mechanical fatigue but why not, let them run. But race? 

Yeah 1997 Benetton or Jaguar/STR from 00's are worth a lot less, but race? Maybe old A1 or GP2 or F3 have too many cars so not worth much anymore, would go to bin anyway unless anyone come out to acquire so ok to be raced but even then some respect and care should be paid imo (like monitor the remaining number of cars and the final 2 or 3 cars should be sent to museum or whatever, for example). Sure if that Benetton is restored from crashed junk parts that would otherwise have gone to landfill or recycle center already, the car mostly is not of original at all or something then that's fine.

[chunder27]

I think the problem is this.

 

I can watch old historic planes fly at airshows, be they jets or WW2 planes. And be amazed byt eh sound, grace, history.

 

I am not a pilot so I don't know or cant really tell if they guy flying it is doing anything amazingly well or flying well within himself or herself.

 

When I see a great F1 car or classic race car being driven by a rank amateur, that is like seeing a warbird or a jet just flying by, turning slowly around, flying past really slowly, not diving, not doing loops etc or barrel rolls. Just doing slow fly bys.

 

Not doing the stuff I would want to do if I could fly.

 

I am sure an old Le Mans car or F1 car must be amazing to drive anywhere even at medium speeds, but if I am PAYING to watch something like that, albeit among lots of other things, I would like to see it driven properly.

 

It's a bit like the difference between karaoke, a tribute band and the real thing isn't it?  You would pay more for each level?

 

I would pay good money to see these cars driven properly be it at Classic meetings, Goodwood etc.  I won't pay to see them almost abused by people who don't know what they are doing, I would rather see them static thanks.

 

Less cars, proper drivers would get me handing over money. Not lots of cars and blokes driving them who were no more talented than me just had milions in the bank, it ruins the illusion.

[Dan333SP]

I think the problem is this.

I can watch old historic planes fly at airshows, be they jets or WW2 planes. And be amazed byt eh sound, grace, history.

I am not a pilot so I don't know or cant really tell if they guy flying it is doing anything amazingly well or flying well within himself or herself.

When I see a great F1 car or classic race car being driven by a rank amateur, that is like seeing a warbird or a jet just flying by, turning slowly around, flying past really slowly, not diving, not doing loops etc or barrel rolls. Just doing slow fly bys.

Not doing the stuff I would want to do if I could fly.

I am sure an old Le Mans car or F1 car must be amazing to drive anywhere even at medium speeds, but if I am PAYING to watch something like that, albeit among lots of other things, I would like to see it driven properly.

It's a bit like the difference between karaoke, a tribute band and the real thing isn't it? You would pay more for each level?

I would pay good money to see these cars driven properly be it at Classic meetings, Goodwood etc. I won't pay to see them almost abused by people who don't know what they are doing, I would rather see them static thanks.

Less cars, proper drivers would get me handing over money. Not lots of cars and blokes driving them who were no more talented than me just had milions in the bank, it ruins the illusion.

I can't say I disagree, I would prefer if there were 25 Senna clones driving those cars, but I'd still rather see and hear them at 60% than static.

Zwart like you said is a rare exception. He's not exactly world class, but he does have real experience racing at Le Mans and the world sports car championship in his Ascari LMP in the early '00s. If I recall, the hot shoes he shared the car with like Ben Collins and Justin Wilson were several seconds a lap faster, but at least he can find a race car's limits, as you can see in just about any video of him in that Jag.

[minime]

This is a British bulletin board Myrv..

They specialize in sour grapes. It's part of their misbegotten, all-inclusive, egalitarian upbringing.

I say.."Let 'em all go" ....Well no, not really, that's Chris Economaki's catch phrase but I stand by the ethos of that statement.

 

Jp

 

EDIT:  Oh and I LOVE your Eleanor Roosevelt signature....of which, I have just fallen foul.

Yes!

[tearitup]

It's always the champcar's fault.

Another skanky looking DP01 is trashed. Life is good.

Atleast it looks a lot nicer than the fugly cars run at indy the last couple of years.

[Dr. Austin]

Atleast it looks a lot nicer than the fugly cars run at indy the last couple of years.

 

 

I dunno. It looks wadded up to me.

 

I mean, it's easy to be critical of talent less rich guys who can buy and tear up whatever they want to. Still, if any of us hit the lotto tomorrow we'de be doing the same damm thing.

Edited by Dr. Austin, 01 September 2016 - 04:57.

[chunder27]

I have to be honest and say I wouldn't.

 

I would drive something that was within my talent reach, I would not waddle around in a car designed for talent, without any!

[Dan333SP]

I don't get the hate for the DP01. It wasn't the best looking Champ Car compared to the Reynards/Lolas/Penskes from the 90s, but it was far better looking than anything the IRL ever produced and certainly the current thing that IndyCar runs.

 

 

It was also relatively fast. IIRC, at the first Laguna Seca test Bourdais broke the lap record by a good margin that was set by the Toyota F1 team the year before doing a demo run.

[Xentas]

not really interested in a bit piece little known series. i wish it were in the right hands as someone else mentioned, turned it into something good. using old race cars in an official series.

[Sash1]

I watched some practice sessions at Assen this year. Just for the sound.

But then someone demonstrated a '93 Ferrari with a V12. And altough it doesnt rev that high, it had the best sound.

[PayasYouRace]

not really interested in a bit piece little known series. i wish it were in the right hands as someone else mentioned, turned it into something good. using old race cars in an official series.

 

There is the FIA Historic F1 series, but their cars don't go quite into the 1990s.

 

http://www.mastershi...1/championship/

[LuckyStrike1]

That clip was more entertaining than the the whole F1-season 

[HistoryFan]

Some great cars in this series but it's badly organised and badly run, has been for years.

In the right hands with the right promotion just think what this series could be though given what f1 is currently like though. Shame

 

why bad organised?
 

[HistoryFan]

has anyone the results of the races from 2005 to 2009? Race results?

[ExFlagMan]

I guess there is some upsides to the BOSS series - it does at least keep some of the cars that are too modern for the FIA Historic series running and hence (most) of them will still be available when they do become old enough for the FIA series.  If there is no market for old race cars they tend to get 'converted' into hybrids for other series - think 'Interserie' and Can-Am.

 

As a by-product it also keeps a set of small companies in work maintaining and running the cars. 

[BRG]

Ridiculous racing class indeed. People with no experience at all, racing with fast cars, very dangerous.

And yet you were full of enthusiasm for an immature inexperienced 17 year old to race in F1....

[Dolph]

This is what happens when you let very rich businessmen who used to watch F1 as a kid loose on very fast tracks in cars they have no idea how to really race. They can drive them, but then so could we if we had one.

 

But they don't have much clue how to push them hard, react to situations or deal with the kind of stuff singe seater racers do on a yearly basis.

 

Try watching some forms of historic racing and you will see exactly the same kind of thing at every event you watch at! Or alternatively if you really want to laugh watch the Ferrari client events when you get even richer plebs taking a dump over years of Ferrari history by tooling round Spa or Monza for no doubt tens of thousands of Euros making the cars and themselves look idiotic.

While I understand it's great for SOME people to see these old cars, it isn't OK to see them being driven by people who are no more qualified to drive them than I am or anyone else, and quite frankly have no right to drive them. They simply have more money.

 

And Dan, Zwart is hilarious, he turns up with loads of mechanics and uses tyre warmers etc, bit like blokes turning up to single stage rallies with ex works mechanics and a current WRC car. But fair play at least he gives it the berries!

 

 

One word: jealousy

 

[DS27]

Yep, some of the envy in here is palpable.

 

They have lots of money and are doing something 99% of people on here would love to do. Glad I don't go through life so bitter at people more fortunate than myself.

[maverick69]

Get your mitts on a current Super Formula car, with a bunch of sticky tyers and a derestricted AER P90....... you'd have the potential to match F1 times.

 

It's just latent talent and hangovers that would get in the way...... and money of course.

Edited by maverick69, 01 September 2016 - 20:09.

[Dr. Austin]

I don't get the hate for the DP01. 

 

Champcar fans incessantly trolled the IRL boards for years complaining about "fugly" IRL cars, so it was fun to turn it around on them and say the DP01 was a "skanky looking sled."  They were perfectly willing to insist they were entitled to their opinions about the ugly "crapwagons," but as soon as I expressed my own opinion that their car was ugly, a good number of them lost their minds over it and I actually got several death threats over it. Ain't the internet grand?

 

I suppose the DP01 might have been an OK car, but it didn't save champcar like it was supposed to, and it didn't kill Indycar like champcar fans had so wet dreamed. So, essentially, it was a colossal failure on every account that gave champcar fans a woodie.

 

Hey, I don't mean to gloat or anything, but every time a DP01 gets wadded up, I do get a little bit of a giggle about it. 

[chunder27]

So you think you can put words in my mouth do you fella?

 

I am not in any way jealous.

 

Of course anyone would be envious of someone with pots of money, that is the only bit I am jealous of. Some of them have worked hard for it, other ave fleeced a lot of people to get it. That makes me spiteful not jealous lol!

 

But using it to make yourself look average in a car totally out of your control and talent sphere is not really what I would do with it if I had it. I would rather buy an old rally car, or perhaps an old cold war jet and restore that to be honest if I had the money.  At the very least get something historic where this kind of driving is a little more accepted!!

 

Read the posts, not the poster DS.

[Thundersports]

Boss GP was what used to be EuroBoss or just BOSS there was a big political fallout etc and basically EuroBoss was hijacked by a group of rich Dutchman and a German chap. In the heyday of EuroBoss there were a few talented drivers; here is one smashing the outright lap record at Brands Indy circuit

 

The Benetton B197 in the Monza shunt video was called an Ascari in EuroBoss had a modified flat floor and a 4L Judd V10 to keep costs down. The Scott Mansell car in the video was pretty much identical. Drivers in the series of note were in no order; Jan Lammers, Perry Mcarthey, Harri Toivenon, Phil Andrews, Tom Coronel, Johan Rajamaki, Tony Trimmer, Francois Migault etc. Klaas Zwart has been in just about every season sponsoring it for a while. He isn't a top line driver but he bearing in mind his age he is very quick he started his big engined single seater career in British F2.

[HistoryFan]

I am searching for the race winners at BOSS-GP/EuroBoss from 2005 to 2009. Can anyone help me? Just the overall winners with cars

[Dan333SP]

I am searching for the race winners at BOSS-GP/EuroBoss from 2005 to 2009. Can anyone help me? Just the overall winners with cars

 

Have you tried contacting the Boss series through their website to request results?

[HistoryFan]

yes they sent me all results from 1995 to 2003. From 2010 onwards you can find everything in the web