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[Disgrace]

Part III. Ricciardo beats Verstappen by 0.2 in qualifying. Fairly close given the length of the lap I would suggest.

[Kao18]

Bit surprised to see Ricciardo beat Max. Really thought Max had him covered this time as he had been faster all sessions.

 

Ricciardo will be happy with 2nd and rightfull so, good lap. Knowing Max he will be very disapointed with 4th. But nothing lost for him yet, his long runs were very good, especially on the super soft. He only needs a decent start for once.

[tearitup]

Meh i'm a bit dissapointed. It didn't come together for Max today. Let's see tomorrow.

[RPM40]

Bit surprised to see Ricciardo beat Max. Really thought Max had him covered this time as he had been faster all sessions.

Ricciardo will be happy with 2nd and rightfull so, good lap. Knowing Max he will be very disapointed with 4th. But nothing lost for him yet, his long runs were very good, especially on the super soft. He only needs a decent start for once.

Only practice, when quali rolled around Dan was faster every session. Which really shows we read too much into practice.

[RPM40]

Dan has wrapped up the quali battle for this season too against Verstappen with that. He can't be beaten with the amount of remaining races

[Growing]

Ricciardo is definitely faster on a single lap. In race they are on pair.

[Dan333SP]

I don't think it's a surprise, Ric always has something in reserve for Q3. What's the head to head now? 9-2 maybe?

[rm7667]

Max being send out behind Ros is silly, very silly. I wanted him to get a clean banker along with Dan.

 

2 and 3rd was on.

[Ivanhoe]

Greet lap by Ricciardo 👍👍

People should really stop about RB favouring Max though, Ricciardo got a clear track again

Edited by Ivanhoe, 17 September 2016 - 14:21.

[Ijsman]

Well that was dissapointing, Ric still 0,5 sec off pole. And Max 4. Ric probably did a good job, Max didnt seem to have the balance right maybe Ric too.

[markelov74]

Not good laps.......

 

Should have been closer to ROS

[HoldenRT]

The race pace is looking good for tomorrow.  The quali pace will be easier to judge after the race, because all of the setups are a compromise.  They had to work the tyre harder to get the laptime in Q3 but that'll help them tomorrow. 

Edited by HoldenRT, 17 September 2016 - 14:23.

[Waggy]

Instead of Max getting closer to Ricciardo, the opposite is happening as Ricciardo seems to be pulling away from Max the last few races

[rm7667]

Also why put Max in a not upgraded engine? Silly, the new engine is better.

 

SS start for both driver, 1 and 2 is still on I reckon.

[EightGear]

Also why put Max in a not upgraded engine? Silly, the new engine is better.

SS start for both driver, 1 and 2 is still on I reckon.

No.

[Ricciardo2014]

I'm predicting a Shoey on sunday night 

[HoneybearA]

Bit disappointed after Q3. Thought we might had a chance at pole. Silly me

[Fademan]

I thought ves got the upgraded engine? Ric next race?

[RPM40]

The start will be important. Merc haven't been great in that regard so it's there for the taking

[Ivanhoe]

He passed Rosberg early in the warm up lap...

Still wasn't an ideal outlap, Rosberg was on his tail for quite a while there

Edited by Ivanhoe, 17 September 2016 - 14:30.

[tearitup]

Instead of Max getting closer to Ricciardo, the opposite is happening as Ricciardo seems to be pulling away from Max the last few races

That's just really not true.

[FullOppositeLock]

I thought ves got the upgraded engine? Ric next race?

Nobody knows. Latest news seemed to suggest Max was the only one without the upgrade

[Kao18]

Does anyone know who is Max' race engineer?

 

I have heard them now a couple times on the radio and I am not sure if there is a good connection there. Yesterday he actually told Max to just get on with it when Max complained of being send out in traffic. Never heard that before. Today Max also didn't seem happy at times.

 

Not just specifically today but he is often not send out at an ideal moment in quali if you compare to Ricciardo.

 

I have the feeling with Xevi Pujolar last year there was a much better vibe between them.

Edited by Kao18, 17 September 2016 - 14:32.

[Ricciardo2014]

That's just really not true.

Just remind me.

In the last few races, who has out qualified and out raced their team mate ?

Edited by Ricciardo2014, 17 September 2016 - 14:36.

[rm7667]

No.

 

 

You don't think so? Dan and Max can go longer with the SS for the first stint. There's a chance. There long run pace was superb on Friday but Merc was sanbagging so who knows.

[tearitup]

Does anyone know who is Max' race engineer?

I have heard them now a couple times on the radio and I am not sure if there is a good connection there. Yesterday he actually told Max to just get on with it when Max complained of being send out in traffic. Never heard that before. Today Max also didn't seem happy at times.

Not just specifically today but he is often not send out at an ideal moment in quali if you compare to Ricciardo.

I also thought it was pretty odd. You don't hear stuff like that from an engineer often. Connection with pujolar seemed much better

[tearitup]

In the last few races, who has out qualified and out raced their team mate ?

And the races before? Anyway the qualifiying gap has just been going down. I think they are really close.

[DeVol]

Ricciardo has a head of steam right now and Verstappen is a bit rattled. The opposite was true a few races ago. And it'll probably shift around again in the near future.

What's the quali score, 10-2?

[RPM40]

I also thought it was pretty odd. You don't hear stuff like that from an engineer often. Connection with pujolar seemed much better

 

Yep. There does seem some tension there. Maybe stuff goes on behind the scenes we're not privy to. 

[RPM40]

Nobody knows. Latest news seemed to suggest Max was the only one without the upgrade

 

He was losing in sector 1 every lap. Although I'm not sure the upgrade would be 2 tenths in S1.

[rm7667]

Yep. There does seem some tension there. Maybe stuff goes on behind the scenes we're not privy to. 

 

Probably miss Daniil.

[mistareno]

Still wasn't an ideal outlap, Rosberg was on his tail for quite a while there

Well only one driver can ever get the 'ideal' outlap...

He passed Rosberg early on his out lap and had no traffic to deal with after T4.

He crossed the line as the next in queue after Daniel.

Bearing in mind they were having trouble turning on the tyres on their first runs, I don't think Rosberg being behind him waz an issue at all.

The Red Bull's just weren't fast enough today.

Edited by mistareno, 17 September 2016 - 14:46.

[HoneybearA]

Does anyone know who is Max' race engineer?

 

I have heard them now a couple times on the radio and I am not sure if there is a good connection there. Yesterday he actually told Max to just get on with it when Max complained of being send out in traffic. Never heard that before. Today Max also didn't seem happy at times.

 

Not just specifically today but he is often not send out at an ideal moment in quali if you compare to Ricciardo.

 

I have the feeling with Xevi Pujolar last year there was a much better vibe between them.

 

They were doing long runs when Max complained about traffic. What can they possibly do. It is a street circuit after all.

[Ricciardo2014]

And the races before? Anyway the qualifiying gap has just been going down. I think they are really close.

You mean like Monaco 

 

Honestly though, I do agree Max is whittling away at the gap between them in Quali.

The kid's got some serious talent but he's not quite on Dan's level just yet.

[goingthedistance]

Greet lap by Ricciardo
People should really stop about RB favouring Max though, Ricciardo got a clear track again

Going out second is a big advantage here due to rapid track evolution. Dan got to go out second in Monza, so it was Max's choice here. It's up to Verstappen and his engineer to get the timing right around other cars.

And as for concerns about favouritism - it turns out that Max did indeed get the only upgrade to maximise the new fuel (albeit he didn't like it) so there should be some disquiet there - mostly around the deceitful way Horner tried to conceal it up until the point Max no longer wanted it. Ricciardo was apparently kept in the dark about that unless he was also telling lies.

Edited by goingthedistance, 17 September 2016 - 14:47.

[RPM40]

Going out second is a big advantage here due to rapid track evolution. Dan got to go out second in Monza, so it was Max's choice here. It's up to Verstappen and his engineer to get the timing right around other cars.

And as for concerns about favouritism - it turns out that Max did indeed get the only upgrade to maximise the new fuel (albeit it he didn't like it) so there should be some disquiet there - mostly around the deceitful way Horner tried to conceal it up until the point Max no longer wanted it. Ricciardo was apparently kept in the dark about that unless he was also telling lies.

 

Yeah, something about that whole situation seems very deceitful to me. Like how could Ricciardo not know about an engine disparity between the cars? 

[goingthedistance]

Yeah, something about that whole situation seems very deceitful to me. Like how could Ricciardo not know about an engine disparity between the cars?

Classic Red Bull. Lots of games and clear as mud. I am not a fan of Horner. His skullduggery actually seems to generate tension.

[RPM40]

Helmut couldn't contain his joy with Ricciardo's Q1 lap.

 

I've never seen him so outwardly pleased with a lap before

 

[Risil]

Not pointing fingers at any specific posters, but some links and sources for this engine stuff would be much appreciated.

[Ivanhoe]

Going out second is a big advantage here due to rapid track evolution.

Come on man, you can't be serious about that.

Edited by Ivanhoe, 17 September 2016 - 14:50.

[RPM40]

Classic Red Bull. Lots of games and clear as mud. I am not a fan of Horner. His skullduggery actually seems to generate tension.

 

Yeah more or less. At least Ricciardo looks to just be pushing it aside and getting on with business.

[mistareno]

3 Hours ago, I logged into Autosport and it was definite that all Renault powered cars were running the upgrade.

Now I'm back to having NFI which (if any) cars ran the upgrade...it's like a friggin soap opera...

Edited by mistareno, 17 September 2016 - 14:54.

[Ivanhoe]

I still have NFI which (if any) cars ran the upgrade...it's like a friggin soap opera...

Looks like no one did at the end of the day

[HoneybearA]

And as a Ricciardo fan I hope to god any favoritism is purely made up by fans reading too much into everything, else Ricciardo is ****ed. And I have to admit I don't like the way Horner handled the situation this weekend. Just say it out loud like they did in Monaco why didn't he? As a Ricciardo fan I have no problem of Max getting the new update, because Dan got it first in Monaco too. 

Edited by HoneybearA, 17 September 2016 - 14:53.

[RiccardoPatrese]

Does anyone know who is Max' race engineer?

I have heard them now a couple times on the radio and I am not sure if there is a good connection there. Yesterday he actually told Max to just get on with it when Max complained of being send out in traffic. Never heard that before. Today Max also didn't seem happy at times.

Not just specifically today but he is often not send out at an ideal moment in quali if you compare to Ricciardo.

I have the feeling with Xevi Pujolar last year there was a much better vibe between them.

I was about to post something similar, strategic wise Max side of the garage isn't the best.

[rm7667]

Helmut couldn't contain his joy with Ricciardo's Q1 lap.

 

I've never seen him so outwardly pleased with a lap before

 

 

 

haha great pic.

[NotSoSilentBob]

The start will be important. Merc haven't been great in that regard so it's there for the taking

Neither have we.

[mistareno]

Helmut couldn't contain his joy with Ricciardo's Q1 lap.
 
I've never seen him so outwardly pleased with a lap before
 

Its bad timing, but it looks like the engineer behind him (with his eyes closed) is doing something decidedly non PG to Marko...

And Marko likes it..

Edited by mistareno, 17 September 2016 - 14:57.

[PilotPlant91]

I was about to post something similar, strategic wise Max side of the garage isn't the best.

 

seriously?? if it wasnt them undercut kimi in spain, he wouldn't had won that race

[Ivanhoe]

Have to agree Horner was acting a bit weird this weekend. Here's the interview broadcasted on Dutch tele with Abiteboul and Horner

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=LT9dPorUiLg