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#101 Kristian

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Posted 21 November 2016 - 16:29

Has anyone ever read the comments section below articles on Motorsport.com ??

Wow... Breathtaking insanity.

Jeez Louise.
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#102 Kristian

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 11:28

James Allen is now moving to Motorsport.com

 

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#103 chunder27

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Posted 06 August 2017 - 13:16

No, he has just sold his blog.

 

he will go where the money is as anyone who works in motorsport writing does.



#104 Graveltrappen

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 19:19

https://m.gpupdate.n...es/1/formula-1/

GPupdate now too...

#105 Marklar

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 16:39

Cant see how that could go wrong, absolutely not

Huh

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Hearing from two very reliable but totally different sources that negotiations to sell Motorsport Network - @F1Racing_mag @autosport @Motorsport etc - in process, with D Mazepin said to be an interested party

#106 jonpollak

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 23:17

Люди смеялись, когда я говорил, что нужно учить русский язык...

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 13:10

Люди смеялись, когда я говорил, что нужно учить русский язык...

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#108 Grayson

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 15:40

Люди смеялись, когда я говорил, что нужно учить русский язык...


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#109 Marklar

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 07:17

Ufff

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Further to this, am hearing announcements expected Tuesday, including sale of some titles, closure of others and layoffs. Sad, & really hope new owners can salvage the situation.

https://twitter.com/...9781662720?s=19

#110 Risil

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 09:53

Best of luck guys. Awful thing to have to experience when your company restructures/shrinks. :(



#111 SophieB

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 10:27

Yes, I’m very sorry to hear about people going through this uncertainty. I hope there is clarity very soon.

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 13:41

This was all so obvious three years ago.

#113 rmhorton

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 23:45

As someone who was a bit involved in the original AtlasF1 and first posted here in 1998 I can only hope that this place somehow survives.



#114 garoidb

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 17:29

Ufff

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Further to this, am hearing announcements expected Tuesday, including sale of some titles, closure of others and layoffs. Sad, & really hope new owners can salvage the situation.

https://twitter.com/...9781662720?s=19

 

 

I haven't seen any announcements on this. Has anyone else?



#115 Risil

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 17:46

To be clear when I posted the above I had no special non-public information about what's going on in the Motorsport group of companies. Still don't!

#116 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 29 September 2019 - 15:45

Surprised it hadn't been finalised/announced, or that it wasn't scooped up years ago. You can't put a price on the kind of content they put out. I mean just look at this *checks notes* transcript of a YouTube video? And from the talents of the Editor in Chief no less. 

 

https://www.motorspo...eclerc/4550065/



#117 jonpollak

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 14:16

We should prepare an alternative forum when this place is shuttered...

Who’s good at that stuff?

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#118 Jackman

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 14:20

There's good, and there's willing. They don't always co-exist.

#119 jonpollak

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 14:23

We can coerce the good into something resembling the willing.

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#120 Jackman

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 14:29

More power to your elbow, sir!

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 07:00

Fritz-Dieter Rencken Retweeted Fritz-Dieter Rencken

Lest you’re wondering about this: restructure very much on-track, with internal communication to staff on Friday ahead of Sept month-end, and strategy meet yesterday. am told announcement delayed from last Tuesday to Friday after some leaks on Twitter. Mmm...



#122 jonpollak

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 21:02

Made enquiries into a well established alternative venue.
Initial response was positive.

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#123 JHSingo

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Posted 04 October 2019 - 13:47

Just noticed motorsport.com now has the same limit on viewing stories as Autosport. What a pity. Previously, whenever I'd run out of free views on the latter, I'd head to the former to read the word-for-word identical story.

 

I suppose it's not a surprise, therefore, that they've closed that off. But seriously - 3 free stories for a month? Whose stupid idea was that? Talk about how to alienate people - I'm sure once upon a time the limit was a far more reasonable 10-15 free stories a month. But, clearly, they weren't getting enough money out of people...

 

It just amazes me that a time when we often hear how important it is to get more people interested in motorsport, and with most series now behind a paywall, you can't even read stories about said series without now having to pay as well?! Where's the facepalm emoticon?

 

Yes, there are other sites - but Autosport/Motorsport have been my go-to sources, just for the amount of coverage and stories you can't find elsewhere. I suspect that will change now.

 

Sincerely,

Aggrieved of Derbyshire.



#124 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 04 October 2019 - 13:58

Oh no, does that apply to things like "All of Driver X's wins" galleries?



#125 Jackman

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Posted 04 October 2019 - 14:05

Oh god, imagine having to pay to see the work of people who write/edit/photograph things for a living. If this keeps up they'll probably demand to be paid!

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Posted 04 October 2019 - 14:30

I pay €135 p.a. For stories I often can't read anyway. Join the club.

#127 proviz

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Posted 04 October 2019 - 18:20

Never going to pay anything for access through a medium as undependable as the internet. Never. Ever. There you go!



#128 rmhorton

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Posted 04 October 2019 - 21:19

Jeez, this discussion takes me back a bit.



#129 Jackman

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Posted 04 October 2019 - 23:25

Never going to pay anything for access through a medium as undependable as the internet. Never. Ever. There you go!

Fair enough, it's probably a fad.

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 14:36

Oh no, does that apply to things like "All of Driver X's wins" galleries?

 

Ahh Galleries. A lost art form.



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Posted 05 October 2019 - 21:06

Simply put when Autosport made the decision to start charging for news stories I never clicked on it again, and the same will be true of this other channel.  it's not hard, another site will crop up offering free stuff, it usually does.

Unless of course this network intend to buy everything!



#132 Marklar

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 16:59

:(

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Written only as fan (of the sport, journalism and above all the people) but as everyone reflects on a brilliant Rally GB I also hope they pause on the rumoured demise of the bulk of the UK media covering motorsport - Autosport, F1 Racing and Motorsport (Motoring) News.

Jim Holder
Word is that next week’s Autosport will be £10.99, next F1 R £16.99. They won’t sell the titles as they want to drive everyone to motorsport dotcom - they just want to shut down as they fear a buyer being a rival (but, to be clear, this is strong rumour, not from horse’s mouth).

Jim Holder
Confused messages, but seemingly the Autosport name will be gone

https://twitter.com/...5728247808?s=19

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 19:49

Depressing. Nothing that I didn't expect three years ago. I certainly won't be getting a subscription with motorsport.com. This reminds me of the TT forum demise which gave a four hour notice of closure.

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 20:55

Very sad, especially for those that have been there decades.

 

And a ruthless modus operandi by the people who own it all, they did that very American thing of buying it all, letting it settle, asset stripping and closing down the majority of it.

 

there is obviously a very easy way to avoid it all. 



#135 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 21:04

Motorsport.com isn't really American. 

 

And this isn't really asset stripping/leveraged buyout/etc. It's just a chaotic growth strategy, when a lot of the growth is just buying things(including traffic) hoping...at some point it's profitable? Which is difficult when your staff count must be near F1-team levels now. 

 

It's a shame. As lightweight as F1 Racing was editorially(by design, I reckon) it was a beautiful magazine to look at at times and some of the non-motoring people, ie the art department, very much deserve to continue in the industry and I'm sure they will. 


Edited by Ross Stonefeld, 06 October 2019 - 21:06.


#136 rmhorton

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 21:18

If I am reading this right - and I might not be - there is a suggestion that only the print version of the magazine will close, and the online version stays?

 

 

However the brand, according to Autosport’s special events manager Laura Coppin, will remain online via Autosport.com, confirming earlier speculation about the magazine’s future.

 

 

https://motorsportbr...ne-publication/


Edited by rmhorton, 06 October 2019 - 21:21.


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Posted 06 October 2019 - 22:49

If I am reading this right - and I might not be - there is a suggestion that only the print version of the magazine will close, and the online version stays?

 

 

However the brand, according to Autosport’s special events manager Laura Coppin, will remain online via Autosport.com, confirming earlier speculation about the magazine’s future.

 

 

https://motorsportbr...ne-publication/

 

From my reading of that, I believe they mean the www.autosport.com site will continue to exist, rather than anything about just being an emagazine, but I could be wrong.

 

I'd find it a shame. I've never been one for ebooks/magazines. For me, there's something special about physically turning pages and finding what's next, rather than just scrolling on a screen. I know they're far better for saving space - I've got an enormous stack of old Autosport magazines in my wardrobe that I keep putting off sorting - but it's just not the same at all.



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Posted 06 October 2019 - 22:52

The tweet by Laura Coppin has been removed.



#139 Risil

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 23:26

Hope she's not in too much trouble.

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#140 TomNokoe

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 14:55

Presumably the forum stays :confused:

 

As a not-affected-by-the-magazine-closure-millenial, it would hit hard if this place closed.



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Posted 07 October 2019 - 16:08

It looks so Tom. There's a statement here. https://mobile.twitter.com/autosport

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 22:38

We’ll be fine... we have a good option if worse comes to worse.
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Posted 08 October 2019 - 11:34

We’ll be fine... we have a good option if worse comes to worse.
Jp

 

This is very good news.

 

Really, this is more than just a Forum.



#144 Louis Mr. F1

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 14:48

This forum must stay …. its my go to place everyday.



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Posted 08 October 2019 - 17:00

It looks so Tom. There's a statement here. https://mobile.twitter.com/autosport

 

The comments on that Twitter thread, from disgruntled Autosport print readers, show how you can alienate a customer-base without even trying.  What a sad mess.



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Posted 08 October 2019 - 21:49

Just to put some perspective on this, Autosport's latest Audit Bureau of Circulation figures - Jan-Dec 2018 - show an average net sale of just 15480 copies per issue, of which 10677 are on subscription and 174 given away free. So that means that just 4629 copies are sold at full retail price.

 

https://www.abc.org.uk/product/2469

 

And with a net sale like that, their returns rate from retailers is likely to be pretty high - they're likely putting over 7000 copies out into newsagents, on a sale or return basis. Once returned to the wholesaler and audited, those returns will be pulped.

 

That's less than half the weekly sale for Autocar, which also competes against Auto Express. Those two sell 70000 copies a week between them. Motor Sport sells nearly 30000 copies a month - at one point about a decade ago it was down near 10000. Motor Sport actually now outsells F1 Racing.



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Posted 08 October 2019 - 22:00

Here’s a grid of what will go and what will stay.

https://twitter.com/...687622718099457
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Posted 08 October 2019 - 23:19

Just to put some perspective on this, Autosport's latest Audit Bureau of Circulation figures - Jan-Dec 2018 - show an average net sale of just 15480 copies per issue, of which 10677 are on subscription and 174 given away free. So that means that just 4629 copies are sold at full retail price.

 

https://www.abc.org.uk/product/2469

 

And with a net sale like that, their returns rate from retailers is likely to be pretty high - they're likely putting over 7000 copies out into newsagents, on a sale or return basis. Once returned to the wholesaler and audited, those returns will be pulped.

 

That's less than half the weekly sale for Autocar, which also competes against Auto Express. Those two sell 70000 copies a week between them. Motor Sport sells nearly 30000 copies a month - at one point about a decade ago it was down near 10000. Motor Sport actually now outsells F1 Racing.

Those figures are frightening. I've just downloaded the full certificate, it gets worse. The 15,480 includes 3,974 digital editions, just 11,500 paper magazines and just 279 of those sold at full price. One needs a subscription to look at earlier years, I'd almost guarantee the figures were appreciably better than these just a few years ago



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Posted 09 October 2019 - 00:07

The TT database is under threat. 


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#150 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:10

Those figures are frightening. I've just downloaded the full certificate, it gets worse. The 15,480 includes 3,974 digital editions, just 11,500 paper magazines and just 279 of those sold at full price. One needs a subscription to look at earlier years, I'd almost guarantee the figures were appreciably better than these just a few years ago

 

I remember 10 years ago they were sub 20, I want to say 17k-ish.