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[Myhinpaa]

On Goodwood's GRRC website there is a link to a video posted by "Blackbird Automotive" on Facebook.....

 

It claims to show Jackie Ickx during practice for the event in '73 where he shared a Ferrari 312PB with Brian Redman.

Amazing footage which shows the dangers of practicing on open roads with such high speed machinery.

 

But to me it doesn't seem to be onboard a '73 spec. 312PB but possibly from another year with a different car, and driver?

 

On YouTube the same footage appears in a French made (?) documentary from the 1973 event, "La Course Legendaire"

A longer sequence of the GRRC/Blackird posted clip is posted too : "Targa Florio 1973 camera car porsche 908MKIII" (sic)

 

Photos I've seen of the Waldegaard/Attwood 908/3 practice car from the 1970 event look very similar to the car in the footage

In 1973 there seems to by only one such Porsche entered. Start No.1 : Porsche Club Romand, Haldi/Cheveviere (DNS)

 

Anyone who knows for sure what car, driver and year this footage is from?

[312f1]

http://forums.autosp...ds-here/page-49

 

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[Myhinpaa]

Thanks for that 312f1 !

 

I'll post the brilliant link from mike90 too : http://www.rts.ch/ar...ors-normes.html

[kyle936]

Well spotted anyway, Myhinpaa -  I watched the video on the Goodwood GRRC website and took it on face value that it was Jacky Ickx in the 312PB, but I see now it clearly isn't. Turns out, the YouTube video and 312f1 are correct - it's the Haldi/Chenevière Porsche 908/03 in 1973, although I'd never have realized if you hadn't brought it up.

If you watch the YouTube video from 0:30 to 0:40, the car has tail fins (unlike the Waldegård/Attwood practice 908/03 in 1970) and no rear aerofoil (unlike the 1973 312PB), and the livery is the same as the Toblerone-sponsored 908/03 in '73. Also, when you listen closely (which I didn't the first time!) the soundtrack is Porsche flat-8 and not Ferrari flat-12. Just goes to show how easily we can be deceived.

Sadly, though, that particular 908/03, chassis #013, first raced by both Seppi and Pedro at Nürburgring in 1971, was evidently the one in which Herbert Müller eventually lost his life at Nürburgring - and of course Herbie won the Targa in '73 with Gijs van Lennep in the Martini 911RSR (as 312f1 explained, Claude Haldi, after the 908/03 broke in practice, shared the second works 911RSR with Leo Kinnunen to finish third).

 

I saw 908/03-013 at Silverstone in '81 - the race before Nürburgring - Eddie Jordan's last international race, as it turned out, with Siggi Brun in the 6 Hours. They were delayed at the start in torrential rain when Eddie's visor steamed up, but he was catching the leading Vegla 935 hand over fist towards the end until he ran out of time.

Thanks also for the other link - brilliant, right enough - I'd never have found it otherwise.

[Myhinpaa]

Thanks kyle936, and especially  for adding even more information regarding this 908 in the footage.

 

What a sad and tragic end which claimed the life of Herbert Muller at the Klostertal-kurve.I see there is period news footage of the aftermath and horrible fire on YouTube.

Included is footage of Herbert Muller's remarkable escape from a similar fiery accident near the pits at Nurburgring in 1972, this with a Ferrari 512M in the 1000km Interseries race.

 

He was obviously a very brave man, another tragic twist of the fatal accident was that Muller had decided that it was to be his last race just before the event....

 

That very 908 doesn't seem to be particularly jinxed by racing car standards.., but it's a bit ominous that it became somehow connected with the team that Herbert Muller

drove for and won with in that Targa Florio of '73. Which proved to be the last proper Targa, due to the safety concerns mentioned in the RTS documentary.

 

Some more of the car's history here       : http://www.racingspo...08__03-013.html

 

And some more on Herbert Muller here : https://en.wikipedia...(racing_driver)

 

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