231 replies to this topic

[thez]

It's being rumoured that Ferrari are going to sign him and pay him a lot more than the $2m Merc are offering him. This is what Ferrari needs - Paddy knows every single thing in that Mercedes car and also what plans they have for the new regs.  

 

 

[LiftAndCoast]

Isn't this a recycled rumour from a few months ago?

[f1paul]

Paddy NOOOOO!

[Frankbullitt]

 

 

Sebastian Vettel: "If high quality people like Paddy Lowe are available, you have to think about it. But as far as I know, he's not."

[Laura23]

Recycled rumour from last year. Lowe is going nowhere for now, I believe even if he left Mercedes now he'd be on gardening leave potentially for most of 2017.

[Kev00]

Click bait thread

[Marklar]

Lowe has denied it today. He says that he isnt talking to Ferrari and Ferrari is not talking with him. He is happy at Mercedes and has no reason to change

http://www.motorspor...x-16091505.html

[Anderis]

Lowe has denied it today. He says that he isnt talking to Ferrari and Ferrari is not talking with him. He is happy at Mercedes and has no reason to change

http://www.motorspor...x-16091505.html

Does the rule "I don't believe a rumour until it's denied" apply here?

[GLT27]

It won't make any difference for Ferrari. Paddy Lowe is not the responsible of the Mercedes success and there is not way that he would be kind of a revolutionary at Ferrari. 

 

What Ferrari need is a strong leader ala Ross Brawn or Jean Todt not someone like Paddy Lowe. 

[Disgrace]

I've edited the title to more accurately reflect the topic. Let's not make clickbait threads a thing around here.

[PilotPlant91]

 

It won't make any difference for Ferrari. Paddy Lowe is not the responsible of the Mercedes success and there is not way that he would be kind of a revolutionary at Ferrari. 

 

What Ferrari need is a strong leader ala Ross Brawn or Jean Todt not someone like Paddy Lowe. 

 

 

what we need is know how and paddy certainly know all the secret of Merc car. 

[VIVAFERRARI]

Lowe has denied it today. He says that he isnt talking to Ferrari and Ferrari is not talking with him. He is happy at Mercedes and has no reason to change

http://www.motorspor...x-16091505.html

So, 100 % he already has a contract with Ferrari. As of the last 16 years...every rumor becomes true

[Marklar]

This seems to be todays rumour

http://www.formulapa...y-lowe-ferrari/

Basicalky the rumour is that Lowe’s wife is keen to move to Italy.

Also says that it wouldnt be for 2017 (gardening)

[PilotPlant91]

This seems to be todays rumour

http://www.formulapa...y-lowe-ferrari/

Basicalky the rumour is that Lowe’s wife is keen to move to Italy.

Also says that it wouldnt be for 2017 (gardening)

 

 

LOL........wifes can be vital for technical bosses 's movement around team....remember back then Newey's wife hates italy which impede Newey from joining the pranching horse!!!

Edited by PilotPlant91, 15 September 2016 - 19:11.

[ViMaMo]

Paddy NOOOOO!

Paddy press the pad for yes. Forraaree that's what I'm talking about babe.

[autosportfan]

And who would not want to work for Ferrari? The ultimate challenge!
As to reasons to leave how many times we have seen the awkward TV interview moment where Toto and Paddy are unsure who steps in to comment...

Perhaps no move yet but Merc management has been pretty crowded for some time with Niki, Toto and Paddy...

[GLT27]

what we need is know how and paddy certainly know all the secret of Merc car. 

 

He might know all the Mercedes secrets. Bob Bell also knew all about Mercedes by the time he left the team. That does not mean that knowledge will translate into car performance.

 

Leadership is what Ferrari needs.

[jjcale]

This seems to be todays rumour

http://www.formulapa...y-lowe-ferrari/

Basicalky the rumour is that Lowe’s wife is keen to move to Italy.

Also says that it wouldnt be for 2017 (gardening)

 

So that means he would be down the local copy shop ASAP then 

[minime]

So that means he would be down the local copy shop ASAP then 

USB stick these days.

[Peter0Scandlyn]

Obviously Paddy reads here.

And equally obvious he understands that the saviour of ALL things Ferrari is another British gent, initials RB.....(That is if you read and believe any of the cr@p that gets churned daily by tired motor sports journos and their mug forum followers.)

So,..........it's not difficult.....?

[swintex]

 …the saviour of ALL things Ferrari is another British gent, initials RB…

I thought Rory Byrne was South African?

[hollowstar]

That would be low from Paddy.

[jcbc3]

USB stick these days.

I think 99% of all major companies these days prohibit the use of USB sticks (at least here in DK). Too vulnerable to virus transfers.

[autosportfan]

I thought Rory Byrne was South African?

I thought Rubens had already retired?

Edited by autosportfan, 16 September 2016 - 06:52.

[SophieB]

Click bait thread

 

 

I've edited the title to more accurately reflect the topic. Let's not make clickbait threads a thing around here.

 

 

Now I'm curious what the old title was.

 

"You'll never believe who's going to Ferrari?!"

"This one weird trick to win races"

"The secret that Mercedes don't want you to know about!"

Edited by SophieB, 16 September 2016 - 07:05.

[Marklar]

Now I'm curious what the old title was.

"You'll never believe who's going to Ferrari?!"
"This one weird trick to win races"
"The secret that Mercedes don't want you to know about!"

The current title just without the questionmark

[Jejking]

@everyone hammering and insisting Ferrari should get Lowe for his technical knowhow. Mercedes is not crazy and with the pencils having drawn the most of the 2017 car and layout they are never going to let him go easy. That's a year of gardening leave waiting to happen. The sequential question is then: why would Ferrari want to hire a Lowe whose knowhow is "severely outdated", in F1 terms?

I've edited the title to more accurately reflect the topic. Let's not make clickbait threads a thing around here.

What was the original title then?

[tomjol]

what we need is know how and paddy certainly know all the secret of Merc car. 

 

No, it isn't. There's plenty of knowhow around. What Ferrari needs is leadership, strong enough to stand up to Marchionne and not be crushed under his corporate heel.

 

Not sure such a person exists, mind.

[Owen]

Fait accompli - according to this site...
http://readmotorspor...rrari-mercedes/

[scheivlak]

Fait accompli - according to this site...
http://readmotorspor...rrari-mercedes/

That's just a fanzine. You and I could write for it.

[Timstr11]

Fait accompli - according to this site...
http://readmotorspor...rrari-mercedes/

 

"He was seen as one of the main driving forces behind Mercedes’ initial improvement in 2013, before becoming the dominant force in Formula One from 2014, as the sport switched to V6 turbo hybrid engines."

 

 

Now that is utter bullshit.

 

He joined Mercedes in June 2013, when they were already half way through the 2013 season and Mercedes had a very promising start of the season that ultimately bagged them 2nd in WCC.

Absolutely nothing to do with Lowe.

Edited by Timstr11, 16 September 2016 - 08:51.

[robefc]

I can't imagine that Merc are only willing to pay him $2m a year...

 

 

Also wouldn't it be a strange time to move in terms of regulation changes? No impact on the 2017 car probably none on 2018 by the time gardening leave is complete etc?

 

As to reasons to leave how many times we have seen the awkward TV interview moment where Toto and Paddy are unsure who steps in to comment...
 

 

I haven't seen that at all, I think they dovetail perfectly and have known since inception exactly which role they both have and how they fit together.

[sopa]

Paddy Lowe is certainly a very talented engineer. It is also worth adding that most probably his departure from McLaren as a TD in 2012 played a role in the downfall in that team, as they couldn't find as good replacement to head the technical team. Allison and James Key are very highly regarded currently on the market, but Lowe may not be lesser than them at all.

[HoldenRT]

It's funny if it's true.  Not the same thing as a dossier but in terms of the regulations probably the next possible thing.

 

It's also funny how incestual F1 is and how the teams themselves don't have much relation to the brand they represent but that most F1 teams are more like a separate entity.

 

The board and the management shapes the team yes, but the core workers who do most of the grunt work are like a separate entity that could just as easily be rebranded as Lotus, Renault, Jaguar, Honda, Brawn, Jordan etc and it's all the same thing on the inside.  Funding obviously helps.  But these characters like Newey, Brawn, Lowe are the figures that shape the success of F1 teams and they have no actual relation to the company they represent and can easily switch between them all.  There's always a lot of stuff floating around between the teams similar to the drivers.

 

So yeah, Redbull had a lot of their staff poached in the last 4 or 5 years and it makes sense if Mercedes would have the same thing.  But usually that'd be because of their skill, talents or track record.  But in F1 it's more like "tell us all of their secrets, what they do and how we can copy it" etc.

 

That's F1 for ya.

 

It would be good to see Ferrari and Redbull both close the gap to Merc in 2017, but if it were mainly because they now have Merc staff who are revealing all the secrets it'd feel a bit strange or funny.

 

Still better for the viewer and for the sake of closer racing.. but yeah.  My other point was that it makes a mockery of the branding because we are supposed to want to buy Ferrari and Merc road cars because of their excellence in F1 and quality engineering and culture.  But it's also a bit of a piranha club and you gotta do what you gotta do.  Marketing is all BS anyway.

 

Forza Ferrari 2017?

Edited by HoldenRT, 16 September 2016 - 09:11.

[David1976]

Oh come on...  Why would Paddy vacate Mercedes to join Ferrari at a time like this.  I have never understood Paddy to be a leader anyway so I concur with others that say he doesn't seem to be what they need at the moment.

 

Even if PL bailed out I wouldn't see Mercedes coming unstuck anytime soon.  They were on the road to domination prior to his arrival.

[jjcale]

I can't imagine that Merc are only willing to pay him $2m a year...

 

 

Also wouldn't it be a strange time to move in terms of regulation changes? No impact on the 2017 car probably none on 2018 by the time gardening leave is complete etc?

 

 

I haven't seen that at all, I think they dovetail perfectly and have known since inception exactly which role they both have and how they fit together.

 

It seems strange to say but I was thinking the same thing .... and then  remembered that this is not a small amount of money for a professional person who is not risking their own money on a venture.

 

Maybe he realises that Merc will not have anything like the advantage that it currently does from next year onward and he wants to cash in when his stock is at its highest.....  

[jjcale]

Paddy Lowe is certainly a very talented engineer. It is also worth adding that most probably his departure from McLaren as a TD in 2012 played a role in the downfall in that team, as they couldn't find as good replacement to head the technical team. Allison and James Key are very highly regarded currently on the market, but Lowe may not be lesser than them at all.

 

To be honest ... I dont know what it is that he actually does.

 

Can anyone help??

[itsademo]

only a moron would move to the habitual loser team

and Lowe is no moron

[LeClerc]

Paddy NOOOOO!

Frank Doberman, is that you?

[GLT27]

Read this was really funny

 

 

 

He was seen as one of the main driving forces behind Mercedes’ initial improvement in 2013, before becoming the dominant force in Formula One from 2014, as the sport switched to V6 turbo hybrid engines.

 

 

Paddy Lowe joined the Mercedes team on June 3rd 2013. There is NO WAY he was a driving force behind the success of the Mercedes that year. He joined too late.Even though he joined Mercedes at June he has little influence on the F1 W04 Hybrid project. All the credit belong to Ross Brawn, Bob Bell, Aldo Costa, Mike Elliot and Geoff Willis. Bob Bell was the technical director of the team until November 2014. He was the one in charge of oversee the work made by Costa, Elliot and Willis and they reported directly to him.

 

Lowe is a man who was in the right place at the right time. He didn't build nothing at Mercedes, just took over from others who builded the whole empire. Just like Wolff did with Ross Brawn and Norbert Haug.

Edited by GLT27, 16 September 2016 - 10:44.

[kevinracefan]

No, it isn't. There's plenty of knowhow around. What Ferrari needs is leadership, strong enough to stand up to Marchionne and not be crushed under his corporate heel.

 

Not sure such a person exists, mind.

ehh.. they need a little know - how, too...

[Paco]

I doubt it, he knows how great it is to stay apart of the dream team.. Look at Ferrari post dream team.. It's something special to be a part of.. Better to be a part of winning team then fall guy for a team not winning..

[thez]

I doubt it, he knows how great it is to stay apart of the dream team.. Look at Ferrari post dream team.. It's something special to be a part of.. Better to be a part of winning team then fall guy for a team not winning..

 

If you got an offer to tripple your salary working the the most famous place and add your partner wanting to relocate, would you take the offer. Paddy wont be long in Merc once they start to get dominated by RB next year. If I was him I will take the offer and challenge. 

[OSX]

Mercedes and Ferrari Brush Off Paddy Lowe Switch Rumours
16 September 2016

 

 

Mercedes and Ferrari have dismissed wild speculation that technical chief Paddy Lowe could be about to switch camps.

Reports in the build-up to the Singapore Grand Prix weekend linked Lowe with a surprise move to Maranello amid uncertainty about him extending his contract at Mercedes.

But the stories have been strongly dismissed by both parties, with Mercedes and Lowe himself adamant that there will not be a change.

The Full Story: Motorsport.com

[andrewf1]

I think 99% of all major companies these days prohibit the use of USB sticks (at least here in DK). Too vulnerable to virus transfers.

 

Well, pretty sure they prohibit going to the print shop to copy classified documents as well - doesn't mean you can't do it. Same goes for USB sticks.

[Vesuvius]

For sure there has been discussions between Lowe and Ferrari (despitate the denial), Vettel's words pretty much confirms this, as he said that according to the info he has, is that Paddy wouldn't be available, so he has gotten that info from somewhere.

We know what happened with Allison and those rumours were strong for sometime and Ferrari denied them first...if I remember correctly, similar thing happened with Paddy's move from McLaren to Mercedes. So lets wait and see what happends, if anything.

[MastaKink]

That would be low from Paddy.

 

Why?. Drivers cash in and switch teams when their stock is high so why not team bosses?, (and it's not like he hasn't done it before).

[PilotPlant91]

Paddy trying to push for contract extension from merc....

 

Its the best timing to do it to get more money

[pRy]

Maybe he just fancies a new challenge. And knows Hamilton is going to Ferrari next.

[VolvoT5]

I struggle to see why any top line staff would want to go to Ferrari at the moment.  Marchionne doesn't strike me as a very appealing boss - his image is of a micro manager who will hold a gun to your head if you don't meet his unrealistic targets.