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[TheriusLH44]

more than last 10 years F1 has a legendary track crisis due to Tilke's new circuits. Old F1 tracks should return to F1 calendar in the future. Hermann Tilke's good tracks only Sepang, Istanbul and Austin

Edited by TheriusLH44, 18 November 2016 - 02:35.

[SB]

Nürburgring should come back, while Imola is 50/50. On the other hand, I am not sad to see the rest of them leaving the calendar.

[Adventuris]

Only if the historical tracks/layouts magically came back, yes.

[jonpollak]

Twice at Indy? ... Doug Bowles loves you.
Jp

[TheriusLH44]

Do you think IMS use this layout for F1?

[jonpollak]

Dude ....
Jp

[TheriusLH44]

and also this

[Nathan]

I miss Imola.  It's unfortunate Indy didn't work out.  The rest = whatever to me.

[loki]

Austin is not a Tilke designed circuit.  Tavo Hellmund and Kevin Schwantz designed the layout and Tilke provided engineering and construction consulting.

[teejay]

I look forward to our new 63 race calendar

[Atreiu]

Nürburgring, no. Just not feasable;

Estoril, no;

Magny-Cours, Jesus Christ, never. It was horrible at best. What a huge case of rose tinted glasses;

Kyalami, hell no, current layout is horrible;

Indianapolis, possibly. 2007 was a great race. I have it in the same regard as COTA;

Zandvoort, current layout does not suit F1;

Imola, no.

 

I'd rather see these circuits return:

- Paul Ricard, either long or short layout;

- Istambul Park.

 

And see these leave:

- Baku, Barcelona, Sepang, Russia and Mexico.

[Atreiu]

That circuit at Buenos Aires was a dump, and slow and tight.

[Sparky68]

Not quite sure who will pay to bring all those circuits up to current FIA standards or for that matter, who would pay Bernie the huge $$$$ to host the race.

[gilez]

I like Imola a lot, sadly they lost a comeback chance again against Monza.

[LucaP]

I really like Estoril, the only things that needs changing is that clumsy chicane before the final bends.

But, Therius, I doubt you would follow F1 if the series had stayed in its historical venues ;)

[RPM40]

I didn't really enjoy any of those circuits, so no.

[Rediscoveryx]

If by Nürburgring you mean the Nordschleife, then by all means yes. Not going to happen though.

 

All the other mentioned tracks would be terrible for modern F1, including Imola. 

[Sash1]

Magny Cours??????   

[Jackmancer]

This is the Zandvoort train station. You do not want to hold an F1 race here, whole area needs massive infrastructure upgrade. It's next to the Northsea beach, on any sunny day the traffic jams are huge, regardless of a race on the circuit.

 

[OO7]

Of the circuits mentioned in the title, I'd like to see Estoril return (in its 1993 guise), as well as a modified Imola:

 

ESTORIL

 

IMOLA

[Ruusperi]

Absolutely, but without any modernization or tilketization.

F1 people are spoiled princesses, so it would be a good therapy to tolerate crappy facilities and old-school ciruits. No circuit should have standards of Abu Dhabi.

 

Zandvoort was good enough in the 80's, so if they appreciate the history and tradition, they should fancy the atmosphere. Do complain and you get a reputation of a wimp.

[SenorSjon]

This is the Zandvoort train station. You do not want to hold an F1 race here, whole area needs massive infrastructure upgrade. It's next to the Northsea beach, on any sunny day the traffic jams are huge, regardless of a race on the circuit.

 

 

Lol. Not to mention the roads leading up to the track. Current paddock is tiny, you would never fit all those F1 trucks there. 

[Cliff]

I grew up in Zandvoort, and altough i love the circuit it's current layout would make a terrible F1 event with hardly any overtaking. The track is nowhere near wide enough and infrastructure of the town is really bad for such a huge event.

[Peat]

Unless the new owners* comepletely change the pay structure for sanctioning events and/or the FIA change the circuit requiremnets to host Formula One races soon, IT NEVA GONA HAPN.

If anyone so much as thinks about 'F1ifying' Zandvoort to cash in on Vestappenitus, I'll personally *** ***** ******! [removed on advice of my legal representative]

*Liberty's purchase of F1 is under investigation I gather. Could all come to nought.

[Rob29]

Would like to see the following return;Oporto(Portugal) Montjuich(Spain)Mar del Plata(Argentina);Birminigham (UK)Macau?

[PayasYouRace]

It would be nice to see some of them back. Five years ago we probably wouldn't have expected to see both Osterreichring/A1-Ring/Red Bull Ring and Mexico City back, and yet now we have them both, and are well supported races.

 

Maybe we might see some of those classics back. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Dutch circuit soon, but it might have to be Assen.

 

There should be a French GP, and Magny-Cours is probably still potentially useful.

 

I'd love to see Estoril back, but Portimao is similar and more modern. Kyalami has just had a refurbishment.

[NotAPineapple]

POLL: Will Therius ever stop making banal posts titled with rhetorical questions based on his F1 fantasies?

[Kristian]

Nürburgring - Yes, I prefer this to the new Hockenheim really. Some good gradient, unpredictable weather, and of course history. And usually good races. 

Estoril - Yes, it would be great to have F1 back in Portugal and it was a nice challenging circuit. 

Magny-Cours - We need a French GP, but I don't really miss MC. Would rather revive the old Paul Ricard Mistral layout (surely its safe enough there) and plonk a load of grandstands round it.   

Kyalami - An absolute shadow of the old circuit, but a World Championship should be in Africa. I'd be happy to see it on the calendar. 

Indianapolis - I REALLY miss this track. There was not one single bad race (even 2005 was entertaining in its own respect) and such an iconic name should be on the calendar. Not sure the new layout would be as good though. 

Zandvoort - Yes, a circuit by the beach and full of passionate Verstappen fans. Could be a great addition again. 

Imola - It was pretty, but I don't particularly miss it since the post-1994 changes. There were rarely good races there. I would prioritise above tracks over Imola. 

[Dimocash]

I would love to see Estoril back. This was one of my favorites. 

I also want a French race but Magny-Course was boring. I can't remember how Paul Ricard was as I only started watching f1 since 1991 occasionaly and 1993 almost every race.

[superden]

Indy in-field? Please, just no. Never again.

[Kristian]

Indy in-field? Please, just no. Never again.

 

What was so bad about it? Every race seemed to have incident and lots of racing. OK those piddly corners at the end of the back straight were a bit ridiculous, but overall I thought it was a great little circuit. (We need a couple more short circuits in F1 in general, in my opinion)

[johnmhinds]

None of them are going to happen because they don't have the funding and some don't even have the infrastructure in place.

 

Indianapolis should only happen again if they use the full oval to give some variety back to the calendar.

[FLB]

Imola would benefit greatly from having SAFER barriers at both Tamburello and Curva Villeneuve. You could go back to the pre-1995 configuration.

[goingthedistance]

I'd love to see Estoril and the Nürburgring back, but it's not going to happen. Change is the only constant, F1 has moved on. Even if it's not necessarily in the direction some would like. 

[Kristian]

Imola would benefit greatly from having SAFER barriers at both Tamburello and Curva Villeneuve. You could go back to the pre-1995 configuration.

 

Yep I don't see why you couldn't use the full Tamburello now with asphalt and SAFER. If we *have* to have this awful tarmac, then at least give us some classic corners back.  

[Dick Dastardly]

I'd like to see Brands Hatch back .....but, as with Zandvoort also last used in the 80s, its not big enough to hold all the present day entourage. Maybe, teams should be restricted on what they bring to these circuits?  

[Rediscoveryx]

Imola would benefit greatly from having SAFER barriers at both Tamburello and Curva Villeneuve. You could go back to the pre-1995 configuration.

 

They'd probably put tarmac all the way to the barriers at Tamburello.

[CSF]

No.

[RA2]

Indy should be made a full rowal

 

[redreni]

Most of these tracks could and probably should return.

 

I've nothing against the newer tracks if they generate significant interest from locals. If, however, like Abu Dhabi and Bharain, indigenous locals can't afford a ticket even though they have been compelled to fund the event through their taxes, and the event therefore has to take place within a vastly expensive security bubble in front of a tiny audience of mostly well-heeled Europeans and local elites (and swathes of empty grandstands), then that's bad in a number of different ways. In the case of many flyaway races the whole set-up stinks and is more likely to alienate potential F1 fans in untapped markets than to get them interested in the sport.

 

"F1 is coming to town!"

"Oh, great. I like fast cars and racing. How much are tickets?"

"A year's wages"

"Oh, never mind then. How many tickets have you sold, out of interest?"

"Seven"

"Oh dear. Somehow I can't see this event lasting too long"

"Oh, it'll last because you're paying for it"

"Oh".

 

Apart from the basic iniquity of state-funded events, the lack of attendance makes the sport look naff no matter how plush the facilities. I don't think it's just rose-tinted glasses to look back at events held in the 80s and 90s at ropey venues in F1's core markets e.g. Brands, Donnington, Imola, Estoril, Zolder etc, and feel that F1 emerged with a lot of credit. Okay, the facilities weren't great but the people wanted the race to be there and there were big crowds and tremendous enthusiasm. That comes across on telly. Hopefully Liberty Media will get that.

[Tsarwash]

I miss Imola.  It's unfortunate Indy didn't work out.  The rest = whatever to me.

I hated the races at Indy, and I'm glad they don't go there anymore. That was the moment that Bernie should have been sacked.

[SonnyViceR]

Kyalami, hell no, current layout is horrible;

 

You do realize it's been redone?

 

(again)

[aportinga]

Do you think IMS use this layout for F1?

They can use what ever they want - sorry but it was a hell of a party and more central (I would say) to more open wheel fans then likely anywhere else in the country.

 

I would go again... Holding my nose of course 

[Spillage]

Some should, some shouldn't.

I'd like to see races in France and South Africa and Nurburgring is better than Hockenheim.

The rest we can do without, though I wouldn't be surprised to see us return to Imola in the future. If Verstappen wins a WDC I think we'll see the resurrection of the Dutch GP as well, whether at Zandvoort or elsewhere. None of the others seem remotely likely to return in the short to medium term.

[SenorSjon]

Some should, some shouldn't.

I'd like to see races in France and South Africa and Nurburgring is better than Hockenheim.

The rest we can do without, though I wouldn't be surprised to see us return to Imola in the future. If Verstappen wins a WDC I think we'll see the resurrection of the Dutch GP as well, whether at Zandvoort or elsewhere. None of the others seem remotely likely to return in the short to medium term.

 

Lol, it took only 50 years to make a few km highway between Rotterdam and The Hague. Assen has sold to much of its track and lost a bit of its magic. Zandvoort is in a place no one can reach. Besides, it is a narrow track and facilities are sub par. We only have two tracks here. For some the Nurburgring or Spa is closer than a Dutch track. 

[Pimpwerx]

Imola and Magny-Bore should never be allowed to blight the calendar of a top racing series like F1 ever again.  Name the last memorable race you saw at Magny.  There are none in my lifetime.  The last memorable race at Imola was memorable for tragedy.  No bueno.  The Nurburgring is just the castrated version, that offered up bland races every year.  Estoril I never got to see.  Same with Zaandvort.

 

Tilke gets a bad rap, but the circuits his company has designed have offered solid racing.  The only outright failure was Valencia, and that was because it was limited by real estate.

[johnmhinds]

Some should, some shouldn't.

I'd like to see races in France and South Africa and Nurburgring is better than Hockenheim.

The rest we can do without, though I wouldn't be surprised to see us return to Imola in the future. If Verstappen wins a WDC I think we'll see the resurrection of the Dutch GP as well, whether at Zandvoort or elsewhere. None of the others seem remotely likely to return in the short to medium term.

 

 

Any Dutch GP would probably be at the expense of Spa.

 

So be very careful what you wish for here.

[mphilipp]

Zandvoort is never going to happen. For starters, you need to flatten the place and completely rebuild it. Wider track, better facilities, the works. Also, there's a camping and/or holiday homes next to the track. They would never agree to such an expansion of the track. Infrastructure was mentioned already; it's a disaster.

 

Would be great for our little country; every hotel would be booked upto Den Bosch

 

Maybe a temporary circuit in the Rotterdam harbour area (Maasvlakte) would be a good idea, but that's not Zandvoort...

[MikeV1987]

Those are some great circuits but unfortunately I don't think they are fit for F1 anymore.

[MikeV1987]

 

Tilke gets a bad rap, but the circuits his company has designed have offered solid racing.  The only outright failure was Valencia, and that was because it was limited by real estate.

 

Tilke gets too much ****, it's unfair on him really. You can hardly blame him when its the FIA breathing down his neck when it comes to designing track layouts.

Edited by MikeV1987, 18 November 2016 - 17:06.