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[Marklar]

50-41 (free)
40-31
30-21
20-11
10-2
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As usual debatable in terms of F1 bias.

Edited by Buttoneer, 15 December 2016 - 14:04.

[RPM40]

2 from 3 for the honeybadger. Not bad at all.

[Anderis]

So Rosberg is rated lower than last year and there are 25 places of difference between Vettel and Raikkonen?

Edited by Anderis, 15 December 2016 - 11:38.

[micktosin]

Ricciardo's performance this year is a bit overrated than it really is. He had a couple of strong performance and nothing more. 

 

Edit: I mean, for a guy who was mostly outperform in the second half of the season, it baffles me people still thinks he was the best driver. 

Edited by micktosin, 15 December 2016 - 11:44.

[Victor_RO]

I could harp on for hours about how some of the non-F1 drivers on that list should have been higher. Speaking of which, the highest-ranked Ferrari driver in the top is neither Vettel nor Raikkonen, it's Gimmi Bruni for his exploits in GT.  

[Marklar]

Well, in my opinion Rosbergs performance was very similar to the last two years, so 6th, 4th and 5th sounds alright.

 

The gap between Vettel and Kimi is hilarious, yes.

 

To me Pagenaud is rated way too low (as most non-F1 drivers). And this year I would have prefered a non-F1 winner in Ogier for instance. Neither Ricciardo, Hamilton or anyone else in F1 impressed me a lot this year.

 

On a funny side note: Hamilton is rated for the 6th (!) time 2nd in this list. Must be a record.

Edited by Marklar, 15 December 2016 - 11:45.

[Anderis]

Well, in my opinion Rosbergs performance was very similar to the last two years, so 6th, 4th and 5th sounds alright.

I disagree thoroughly. Discounting Rosberg's failure in Abu Dhabi, there was a bigger gap in reliability between Nico and Lewis in 2014 than in 2016 and yet Nico didn't manage to arrive to Abu Dhabi as a championship leader (yeah, we can argue if that's because Lewis performed worse this year but I think at least part of it was because Nico performed better) . And I think 2015 was his weakest year of the three. He was no challenge at all.

 

IMO it's 2016>2014>2015. Yet Autosport rated it 2015>2016>2014

Edited by Anderis, 15 December 2016 - 11:52.

[goingthedistance]

 

 

Edit: I mean, for a guy who was mostly outperform in the second half of the season, it baffles me people still thinks he was the best driver. 

 

Ricciardo outqualified and outpointed Verstappen in the head-to-head. Does Verstappen have more potential? Sure, but that doesn't mean Ricciardo was beaten by Verstappen this year, as much as some of the hype may mislead casual fans into believing. 

[Marklar]

I disagree thoroughly. Discounting Rosberg's failure in Abu Dhabi, there was a bigger gap in reliability between Nico and Lewis in 2014 than in 2016 and yet Nico didn't manage to arrive to Abu Dhabi as a championship leader (yeah, we can argue if that's because Lewis performed worse this year but I think at least part of it was because Nico performed better) . And I think 2015 was his weakest year of the three. He was no challenge at all.

IMO it's 2016>2014>2015. Yet Autosport rated it 2015>2016>2014

I think between 4th and 5th the same level is implied. They are not necessarly rating your performance lower between these two years if you are 5th this year and 4th last year, but simply rating others better. Something like Ricciardo this year (up 5 places) or Vettel (down 10 place) is definetely a lower/higher implied rating.

As for 2015: Rosberg had more issues that year. If we are discounting for every year reliability they had roughtly every year the same gap (though I would agree with your order, albeit it's marginal) except of 2013 where they were evenly matched (ironically they had the biggest gap in this ranking that year, so it's all a bit meh)

Edited by Marklar, 15 December 2016 - 12:24.

[MastaKink]

Ricciardo's performance this year is a bit overrated than it really is. He had a couple of strong performance and nothing more. 

 

Edit: I mean, for a guy who was mostly outperform in the second half of the season, it baffles me people still thinks he was the best driver. 

 

Since the summer break he lost Qualifying 5-4 granted but won the races 5-3 and was comfortably ahead in the other one before Max retired. Points were 123-90 to Ricciardo.(Excluding USA it's 108-90).

 

Max actually had more points after the first 8 races but lost out in the last 9 so I don't know where this myth Ricciardo had the worse 2nd half of the season has sprung from. Qualifying certainly closed up and Max did brilliantly to win that battle post summer break but Dan turned around the points deficit and still led every other category post summer break (H2H,Podiums,Wins,Points).

[Victor_RO]

I'm still struggling with Ogier being the top non-F1 driver on the list. I would have personally put Buemi, di Grassi and Pagenaud above him. And other non-F1 drivers way too low on the list - Neel Jani, Shane van Gisbergen, Rene Rast, maybe even Will Power.

[sopa]

I'm still struggling with Ogier being the top non-F1 driver on the list. I would have personally put Buemi, di Grassi and Pagenaud above him. And other non-F1 drivers way too low on the list - Neel Jani, Shane van Gisbergen, Rene Rast, maybe even Will Power.

 

Conversely, I would think Ogier ranking as #1 of all autosport can be easily justified.

 

It is just the matter of how much weight to give to each series. But rallying is damn hard and Ogier is dominating his sport like no-one else does in their discipline.

[SonnyViceR]

These lists are even more pointless than those clickbait "top 50 reasons" on why the Star Wars prequels are supposedly wrongly understood.

[TheHoneyBadger3]

I guess Hamilton is #1?

[markelov74]

These lists are even more pointless than those clickbait "top 50 reasons" on why the Star Wars prequels are supposedly wrongly understood.

But the Star Wars prequels are wrongly understood!

[Marklar]

I guess Hamilton is #1?

Ricciardo is 1st, Hamilton 2nd

[SonnyViceR]

But the Star Wars prequels are wrongly understood!

Sure and George Lucas is a secret genius who used ancient ring composition to create unprecedented storytelling sophistication masterpiece. Again it's like poetry it rhymes.

But as I said this is even worse as they're not even trying to come with reasonings. Utter joke every year.

Edited by SonnyViceR, 15 December 2016 - 14:44.

[EightGear]

Conversely, I would think Ogier ranking as #1 of all autosport can be easily justified.

It is just the matter of how much weight to give to each series. But rallying is damn hard and Ogier is dominating his sport like no-one else does in their discipline.

Agreed, Ogier would be an easy pick for #1.

[jonpollak]

What place is Chilton?

[LiftAndCoast]

What place is Chilton?

Must've been 51st.

[markelov74]

For me 

 

1. Buemi

2. Ogier

3. Ricciardo

4. Hamilton

5. Verstappen

 

50-41 (free)
40-31
30-21
20-11
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As usual debatable in terms of F1 bias.

 

 

What happened to the full ranking 

[Radion]

I'm happy Kimi made it into the top 50. 

 

   

[markelov74]

I'm happy Kimi made it into the top 50. 

 

   

 

That's the best you can expect when Autosport is making the ranking lol.

[Dolph]

Did the "champion of the 100th Indy 500" get a place? I hope not, but did he?

[Marklar]

Did the "champion of the 100th Indy 500" get a place? I hope not, but did he?

Nope, he didnt.

[Branislav]

I'm not subscribed who's top 5? Is there any Nascar driver?

[Marklar]

I'm not subscribed who's top 5? Is there any Nascar driver?

 

1. Ricciardo

2. Hamilton

3. Verstappen

4. Ogier

5. Rosberg

 

Three Nascar drivers in the list: Kyle Busch (15.), Johnson (17.) and Logano (26)

[jonpollak]

I'm not subscribed who's top 5? Is there any Nascar driver?

Looks like we got hosed again Branislav...
Jp

[Muppetmad]

No Pagenaud in the top 5 is really sad. He was supreme this year.

[GTA]

IMO the top 5 is about right , not really sure about the order..

 

It should be :

 

1) Max Verstappen

2) Sebastian Ogier

3) Lewis Hamilton

4) Daniel Ricciardo

5) Nico Rosberg

 

Daniel was amazing this year but he had quite a few off key weekends, same about Lewis. Ogier had probably the worst rules ever hindering him but he still dominated, reminded me of MSC a bit. 

 

To be as young as Max and put in the performances he has is simply stunning. He or Daniel could be the F1 WDC at this time next year...

Edited by GTA, 15 December 2016 - 17:55.

[chunder27]

Ogier cruised ot the WRC title and being honest moaned about it all year.

 

I would put someone Eskstrom above him for winning WRX and doing DTM at the same time.

[Tsarwash]

Oh ffs. I know that Autosport has to make money and is not providing a free service to F1 fans for the love of it, but what is the point in putting this behind a paywall ?

[EightGear]

Ogier cruised ot the WRC title and being honest moaned about it all year.

I would put someone Eskstrom above him for winning WRX and doing DTM at the same time.

He won it while sweeping the road on gravel for 2 days on every rally all year. I'd say this championship has been his best yet.

[GTA]

Ogier cruised ot the WRC title and being honest moaned about it all year.

 

I would put someone Eskstrom above him for winning WRX and doing DTM at the same time.

 

Is this a compliment ? He was out of contention on every gravel rally this year and still won the title with ease. He moaned a lot less than previous years but the question is, is he wrong if he moans considering what he has been up against? 

[TF110]

Hamilton behind Ricciardo is baffling. You can say Lewis had off weekends but most of it was a bad clutch or the team's fault (including reliability). It makes no sense to me that he is ranked at the top while he was barely better than Max. 

[RPM40]

Hamilton behind Ricciardo is baffling. You can say Lewis had off weekends but most of it was a bad clutch or the team's fault (including reliability). It makes no sense to me that he is ranked at the top while he was barely better than Max. 

 

Max is ranked p3. That leaves only 2 positions for the driver better than him.

[TF110]

Max is ranked p3. That leaves only 2 positions for the driver better than him.

He wasn't as good as others like Buemi or Ogier. They actually won titles. Max won a gifted race. 

[RPM40]

He wasn't as good as others like Buemi or Ogier. They actually won titles. Max won a gifted race. 

 

Any race is gifted if you're not in a Merc.

[scheivlak]

He wasn't as good as others like Buemi or Ogier. They actually won titles. Max won a gifted race. 

So Rosberg should have been #1? After all, he won a title 

 

Keep on deluding yourself.

[Marklar]

Any race is gifted if you're not in a Merc.

Or it's a gift to drive a Merc

[alframsey]

I always find these lists intriguing simply because of my ignorance to other racing series, maybe I should start to broaden my horizons.

[RPM40]

I always find these lists intriguing simply because of my ignorance to other racing series, maybe I should start to broaden my horizons.

 

You only have so many hours awake on this earth. I dont think the life mission needs to be to know everything about every form of motorsport.  Just follow the codes you enjoy.

[TF110]

So Rosberg should have been #1? After all, he won a title 

 

Keep on deluding yourself.

The guys like Max and Ricciardo are good but they're not top 3 each. If you are gonna buy that, you have to look outside the f1 bubble. 

[as65p]

Hamilton behind Ricciardo is baffling. You can say Lewis had off weekends but most of it was a bad clutch or the team's fault (including reliability). It makes no sense to me that he is ranked at the top while he was barely better than Max. 

 

A bit long, but otherwise the perfect title for that book he's going to write, isn't it?

[TF110]

A bit long, but otherwise the perfect title for that book he's going to write, isn't it?

You mean the team lied about having a clutch problem? Or you mean the repeat engine failures? 

[as65p]

You mean the team lied about having a clutch problem? Or you mean the repeat engine failures? 

No, I mean what I wrote.

[Jordan44]

You mean the team lied about having a clutch problem? Or you mean the repeat engine failures? 

 

Seems like one of those comments people make for no reason other than to demonstrate their dislike for someone... total irrelevance.

[Afterburner]

As a reminder of the quality of the decision-making process in this list: last year Montoya and Dixon finished the Indycar season tied on points, and were four spots apart in the rankings with JPM lower, despite JPM actually winning the series' marquee event. In other words, it's basically professional fanboyism.

I can't read the whole list, but if they've omitted Pipo Derani, the writers of this click-bait need to go find a new day job.

Edited by Afterburner, 16 December 2016 - 01:55.

[Lights]

What I find interesting is Ricciardo being named 'The best driver of 2016' by Autosport, yet at the Autosport Awards it was Nico Rosberg winning 'International driver of the year', beating Ricciardo in the process.

 

Something is not right there... 

[Marklar]

What I find interesting is Ricciardo being named 'The best driver of 2016' by Autosport, yet at the Autosport Awards it was Nico Rosberg winning 'International driver of the year', beating Ricciardo in the process.

Something is not right there...

Autosport Award is a fan vote, though since 2008 always the F1 WDC won it so it seems to be more or less default.

I can't read the whole list, but if they've omitted Pipo Derani, the writers of this click-bait need to go find a new day job.

He is 40th

Edited by Marklar, 16 December 2016 - 08:47.