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[HistoryFan]

There are a lot of very rich drivers around in the junior classes who eyes F1 in future. Stroll is the first one.

 

But there are more:

- Jordan King

- Sean Gelael

- Nikita Mazepin

- Alfonso Celis

- Mick Schumacher

- Artem Markelov

- Lando Norris

 

Any more?

[Fisico54]

I would be that Celis, Gelael, Mazepin and even Markelov are fully aware they'll only ever drive a F1 car on tests or on Fridays

[MikeV1987]

GP2 driver/Renault TD Sergey Sirotkin

Edited by MikeV1987, 21 December 2016 - 22:14.

[Anderis]

I think if Sirotkin was that rich, he would be in F1 already.

[bogdan27]

- Enaam Ahmed

- Harrison Newey

- Pietro Fittipaldi

- Will Palmer

- Giuliano Alesi

Edited by bogdan27, 21 December 2016 - 22:55.

[chunder27]

I very much doubt Mick has a bottom less pit of money.  If he is good enough he will attract funding,l but the money his family are spending on care can only last for so long sadly.

[AJFIN]

I very much doubt Mick has a bottom less pit of money.  If he is good enough he will attract funding,l but the money his family are spending on care can only last for so long sadly.

 

For real?

 

Schumacher is estimated to have made about 1 billion during his entire career - and I very much doubt he kept that money languishing on some savings account like regular wageslaves. No, that money was invested wisely and it's probably up to 1,5 billion now, probably even more, I'm not THAT good at math. Let's say they get a very conservative 5% investment yield on that 1,5 billion every year - that's 75 million dollars a year (before the low Swiss taxes) without as much as lifting a finger. On top of that, he still receives sponsorship money every year from Deutsche Vermögensberatung, Mercedes, Rosbacher and other companies. On top of that, he gets money from merchandise sales, royalties, licensing fees, his karting center etc. There is NO way he and his family will run out of money even if they spent 20 million a year on his care and 10 million per year on his son's career. I know it's hard for us mere peasants to understand but it's basically impossible for them to go broke. 

 

And even if they somehow managed to lose it all? They would get all the help they need from outside the family because Michael Schumacher is the motorsport equivalent of Muhammad Ali, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky and Pele. 

[goingthedistance]

To be fair I read that Corinne is spending a massive amount on Michael's care and attempted rehabilitation per week. It sounded like it could amount to the tens of millions per year.

[AustinF1]

- Enaam Ahmed

- Harrison Newey

- Pietro Fittipaldi

- Will Palmer

- Giuliano Alesi

How well of is Fittipaldi? I mean he's probably way better off than I am, but hasn't Emmo had some financial problems?

[PlayboyRacer]

Isn't Michael's care amounting to hundreds of thousands per week? Or in the vicinity?

Forbes estimated his wealth to be north of $1 Billion, even so that's still a huge amount of money being spent per week. Don't think Mick will have riches of the sort Stroll is enjoying, put it that way.

[Tsarwash]

- Enaam Ahmed

- Harrison Newey

- Pietro Fittipaldi

- Will Palmer

- Giuliano Alesi

I'm guessing that Jean Alesi doesn't have a bottomless pit of money. Didn't he have to ditch his Indy 500 attempt for lack of sponsorship ? I'm sure that Adrian Newey is pretty wealthy, but I doubt if he is anywhere near the realms of super rich. That Lance Stroll deal, isn't it to the tune of 20 million dollars or something ? Am I hopelessly incorrect there ?

[Tsarwash]

Isn't Michael's care amounting to hundreds of thousands per week? Or in the vicinity?

Forbes estimated his wealth to be north of $1 Billion, even so that's still a huge amount of money being spent per week. Don't think Mick will have riches of the sort Stroll is enjoying, put it that way.

 

I doubt that it is possible to spend a hundred thousand dollars a week on car on anybody. Think about it. That would be 50 million dollars a year. That's a hundred medical staff each on half a million dollars a year.

[HistoryFan]

- Enaam Ahmed

- Harrison Newey

- Pietro Fittipaldi

- Will Palmer

- Giuliano Alesi

Don't know anything about the wealth of Ahmed.

 

Newey, Alesi and especially Fittipaldi aren't that rich. Their dads make a lot of money in Formula One of cours, but that's nothing compared to the guys I mentioned.

 

[HistoryFan]

I'm guessing that Jean Alesi doesn't have a bottomless pit of money. Didn't he have to ditch his Indy 500 attempt for lack of sponsorship ? I'm sure that Adrian Newey is pretty wealthy, but I doubt if he is anywhere near the realms of super rich. That Lance Stroll deal, isn't it to the tune of 20 million dollars or something ? Am I hopelessly incorrect there ?

 

Alesi was at the Indy 500, but he was with the very slow Lotus engines and was black flagged after some laps due to slow speed.
 

[chunder27]

Believe me when I say that Sainz and Verstappen paid upwards of 20 million each for their rides at Red Bull and Toro Rosso. The so called Red Bull talent staircase, is not what you think.

 

I know this, because Tyler knows this. So Stroll is getting a fair deal.

 

Regarding Mick, agreed the wealth of the family is considerable, but it is being eroded consistently to care for Michael. Mick as I say might be good enough and will certainly attract backing because of who he is. SO he might be able to make money for the family which would be great.

 

But the care Michael is getting will be the best that no doubt can be afforded and that will cost a hell of a lot of money every year for the time being.

 

Wasn't Emerson done for fraud or something in Brazil a few years ago?

[teejay]

http://www.motorspor...scandal-686835/

 

Stroll would really only be the one super rich guy there. 

 

The rest, wealthy maybe.

[Jackmancer]

Roy Nissany?

[bogdan27]

Don't know anything about the wealth of Ahmed.

Newey, Alesi and especially Fittipaldi aren't that rich. Their dads make a lot of money in Formula One of cours, but that's nothing compared to the guys I mentioned.

Well i don't know about Fittipaldi, Alesi wealth, depending of sources, is between 37 millions-185 millions.
And Newey has a salary of like 20 millions/years.
I call that «very rich»

Edited by bogdan27, 22 December 2016 - 09:13.

[AJFIN]

Regarding Mick, agreed the wealth of the family is considerable, but it is being eroded consistently to care for Michael. Mick as I say might be good enough and will certainly attract backing because of who he is. SO he might be able to make money for the family which would be great.

 

But the care Michael is getting will be the best that no doubt can be afforded and that will cost a hell of a lot of money every year for the time being.

 

Media is estimating 8-10 million pounds per year for Michael's care. As I said, it's nothing for them. They could double that amount and their fortune would still be growing, not eroded. 

[Myrvold]

Well i don't know about Fittipaldi, Alesi wealth, depending of sources, is between 37 millions-185 millions.
And Newey has a salary of like 20 millions/years.
I call that «very rich»

 

It's very rich compared to the average person. It's not very rich in terms of supporting a young driver through the ranks and buy a proper F1 seat.

[SenorSjon]

Believe me when I say that Sainz and Verstappen paid upwards of 20 million each for their rides at Red Bull and Toro Rosso. The so called Red Bull talent staircase, is not what you think.

 

I know this, because Tyler knows this. So Stroll is getting a fair deal.

 

Regarding Mick, agreed the wealth of the family is considerable, but it is being eroded consistently to care for Michael. Mick as I say might be good enough and will certainly attract backing because of who he is. SO he might be able to make money for the family which would be great.

 

But the care Michael is getting will be the best that no doubt can be afforded and that will cost a hell of a lot of money every year for the time being.

 

Wasn't Emerson done for fraud or something in Brazil a few years ago?

 

Why would I believe that Verstappen paid 20m for a TR and later a RB seat? 

[chunder27]

Because the information comes from someone who knows the family, and was told that by a certain father!!

[scheivlak]

Because the information comes from someone who knows the family, and was told that by a certain father!!

Either you or he have been fooled.

Edited by scheivlak, 22 December 2016 - 11:01.

[GrumpyYoungMan]

Media is estimating 8-10 million pounds per year for Michael's care. As I said, it's nothing for them. They could double that amount and their fortune would still be growing, not eroded. 

And that is why he is still getting care, where as Bianchi sadly isn't...

[TyreSmokeDownshift]

Definitely the following:

Rene Binder
Philo Paz Armand
Louis Deletraz

And from karting:

Christian Lundgaard
Noah Watt

[sopa]

Mm, what is the connection I am supposed to draw from such list of drivers nowadays? That they are the ones most likely to get into F1? Surely there are several very talented drivers too, but one thing connects them all - they are rich (and that's by putting it moderately).

 

Schumachers may spend a fortune on the legend's healthcare, but I am sure they have more than enough in spare to spend on Mick's racing career too.

[LORDBYRON]

Surely the bold max has to be up there with the young guns ?

[HistoryFan]

Roy Nissany?

 

don't think he is that super rich.

[William Hunt]

I would be that Celis, Gelael, Mazepin and even Markelov are fully aware they'll only ever drive a F1 car on tests or on Fridays

 

I found Markelov to be a pretty interesting driver who improves every year, he has great overtaking skills, I wouldn't mind seeing him in F1 one day

Wasn't his dad the previous owner of Russian Time who died? I'm not sure if he has that much money behind him, almost certainly not as much as the other three you mentioned

[Starchild]

Wasn't his dad the previous owner of Russian Time who died? I'm not sure if he has that much money behind him, almost certainly not as much as the other three you mentioned

No. The Russian Time boss who died is Igor Mazepa, afaik there is no relation between him and Markelov...

[Ivanhoe]

Because the information comes from someone who knows the family, and was told that by a certain father!!

Sure, Jos could never cough up such an amount, according to quote magazine Jos was good for EUR 6 mln in 2010. Jos made some money in F1, but certainly not enough to get his son in F1 as a paydriver. I'm quite sure Max didn't pay anything to get his seat, with most of the topteams chasing him

Edited by Ivanhoe, 22 December 2016 - 15:52.

[Itsme]

Jordan king

Father +- $300m (https://www.theguard...ins-terra-firma)

 

Sean Gelael

Father: Ricardo Gelael, the president director of PT Fast Food Indonesia, franchisee of Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) 

 

Nikita Mazepin

Father 1400m https://en.wikipedia.../Dmitry_Mazepin

 

Mick Schumacher

Father +-800m 

 

Lance Stroll

Father +-2500M

 

The rest of the names I can not find any source of wealth 

[george1981]

For real?

 

Schumacher is estimated to have made about 1 billion during his entire career - and I very much doubt he kept that money languishing on some savings account like regular wageslaves. No, that money was invested wisely and it's probably up to 1,5 billion now, probably even more, I'm not THAT good at math. Let's say they get a very conservative 5% investment yield on that 1,5 billion every year - that's 75 million dollars a year (before the low Swiss taxes) without as much as lifting a finger. On top of that, he still receives sponsorship money every year from Deutsche Vermögensberatung, Mercedes, Rosbacher and other companies. On top of that, he gets money from merchandise sales, royalties, licensing fees, his karting center etc. There is NO way he and his family will run out of money even if they spent 20 million a year on his care and 10 million per year on his son's career. I know it's hard for us mere peasants to understand but it's basically impossible for them to go broke. 

 

And even if they somehow managed to lose it all? They would get all the help they need from outside the family because Michael Schumacher is the motorsport equivalent of Muhammad Ali, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky and Pele. 

 

He would also have had a huge insurance policy that will be paying for some part of his care if not all of it. 

[FullOppositeLock]

Sure, Jos could never cough up such an amount, according to quote magazine Jos was good for EUR 6 mln in 2010. Jos made some money in F1, but certainly not enough to get his son in F1 as a paydriver. I'm quite sure Max didn't pay anything to get his seat, with most of the topteams chasing him

 

It's complete nonsense in any case. Why would they pay 20m for a Toro Rosso drive when the top teams were tripping over each other to get him signed up? I don't even believe Sainz paid anywhere near as much even though he brought the Cespa sponsorship money in originally. I don't know who chunder27's "source" is but they must have a pretty vivid imagination.

[Myrvold]

I don't even believe Sainz paid anywhere near as much even though he brought the Cespa sponsorship money in originally.

 

Cepsa joined in 2011

[jcbc3]

Definitely the following:
...

And from karting:

Christian Lundgaard
Noah Watt

huh?

[chunder27]

You guys do realise that talent attracts money don't you.  Or the opposite sex, or youth or a famous name. I doubt Max would have been able to sign for a team as good as TR at the time. With the resultant likelihood that he would obviously get to Red Bull. Only other teams would have been Sauber, FI, Manor etc, all Merc or Ferrari junior teams, not as big a step as RB.

 

I am not saying these guys got money from parents or anything, all I am saying is that don't believe the hype about the ladder of talent at Red Bull teams. Yes you have to be young and quick to get on the rung and probably from somewhere that doesn't have a driver in F1 already maybe, but you also have to be extremely well off to buy into it.

[Slackbladder]

How Depressing.

 

It won't be good for the sport if it's just increasing seen as a rich boys/insiders playground.

 

I know there's always been an element/part of it in motor sport, but its not good for its image.

[motorhead]

"Richest daddy of young drivers" would be more suitable topic

[chunder27]

Agreed.

 

You can see the teams point. If you are already a huge team and drivers actively sek you out rather than  simply looking t your team as a first step then it's good business, get young karter from famous family in, but as he is not a RB "athlete" he has to pay a bit more and if he is good enough we bump him into the main team.

 

I think money has bought far too many good rides, or more specifically in the past a passport. Massa at Ferrari, he did a great job though, Guttierez is another who does not warrant the rides he has had. Maldonado perhaps too.

 

Just be thankful Ceccotto never got his way to F1, as boy this place would have lit up!

 

When you watch these kids like King, they are nothing special. If you are still in GP2 you are nothing special. If you are special youa re picked up early like Kimi, Lewis, Verstappen Danny Ricc. Vettel. GP2 is the rich kid talent pool really. But Max has proved now that if you are good enough and have the right backers you can jump in from anywhere really.

Edited by chunder27, 23 December 2016 - 10:04.

[HistoryFan]

No. The Russian Time boss who died is Igor Mazepa, afaik there is no relation between him and Markelov...

 

But I think after the death of Mazepa Markelov's father bought Russian Time?

 

[maximilian]

Would-have-been future Emperor Habsburg probably has a few Euros in his (family's) pockets...

Edited by maximilian, 23 December 2016 - 15:41.

[scheivlak]

You guys do realise that talent attracts money don't you.  Or the opposite sex, or youth or a famous name. I doubt Max would have been able to sign for a team as good as TR at the time. With the resultant likelihood that he would obviously get to Red Bull. Only other teams would have been Sauber, FI, Manor etc, all Merc or Ferrari junior teams, not as big a step as RB.

 

I am not saying these guys got money from parents or anything, all I am saying is that don't believe the hype about the ladder of talent at Red Bull teams. Yes you have to be young and quick to get on the rung and probably from somewhere that doesn't have a driver in F1 already maybe, but you also have to be extremely well off to buy into it.

 

OK.....

[zanquis]

Anyway, just because someone's daddy is rich means they invest it all in their sons, most Dads that got rich didn't get rich by blindly throwing away money. 

Plus they need to see the talent also first. I think Stroll might have been pushed the most by his dad's finances as it paid for some great advantages in the team. 

The details of how far that has gone will probably only be revealed once the teammates retire from racing or are comfortable enough settled in their careers.

 

For Newey I read that the biggest way he tried to support his son is by offering some assistance to the teams, dunno how much is possible but I find it not unreasonable
that RedBull in order to keep Newey happy and loyal to allow him to invest some time and energy in his sons career that way. Giving his son some extra benefits to beat his rivals. 

(In addition Newey owns his own F1 car in theory he could give his son close to unlimited testing mileage.

 

With regards to the Schumachers I am sure their income is sufficient that combined with their insurance they can easily fund for the care of Michael and still spend a lot on their son.

But his name attracts sponsors on his own, and they seem to be taking a sensible path for him. He is not a super star driver like Max Verstappen, so he needs to different path and they pay for spots that help him improve steadily instead of pushing him into the deep where he would drown. 

 

Some made it sound as if Verstappen had huge cash behind him also, but he mostly had a good crew behind him who focussed solely on him. He got into F1 relatively cheap as his talent combined with his dad as his engineer in karting helped him to factory contracts.

[Gretsch]

Being rich is not necessary the same as having rich parents. A rich parent is more to compare with a loyal sponsor.

[ViperF1]

Wow, reading all this it amazes me that somebody like Vandoorne even manages to get into F1 at all nowadays.

 

I remember reading stories about how they were organising food fests for local people to sponsor his career.

 

Is there also a list for poorest young drivers?

[Neno]

there is reason why he is called $troll