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[RobMk2a]

Does anyone know if there is an archive of RAC entries / scrutineering forms which would help identify certain cars (is there any information held at Beaulieu for example). I'm looking for entries in 1960, 61 and 62. I have details of the driver / navigator but I am looking for more detail to identify the actual cars that were entered.

Thank you for any leads.

Rob

[RS2000]

Do you want the complete lists or just certain entries? I have fairly comprehensive lists, including car registration numbers in many cases. My complete lists are sort of promised for someone considering a future book. Pretty sure nothing original survives. Original entry forms were hand written of course and that leads to some "interesting" interpretations. At that time, what lists are around may show car as "Ford", "Austin" etc. Where class is listed it's possible to work out what the model was but not always.

Scutineering? Very patchy on most RACs with brief safety check, no pre-event eligibility check (making us wonder why we bothered to comply at great cost) and, in later years, once it was allowed, a minutely detailed survey of your advertising to ensure you were not doing the RACMSA out of a few £s (and the last repeated during the event at the most inappropriate times such as just after staggering out of Kielder, in a most peremptory and offensive manner). Oh how we loved them.

[RobMk2a]

RS2000 thank for for replying.

I'm actually looking to identify certain cars for my TVR Grantura Research. I'm trying to find out more detail, photos, information on which stages were completed. I wondered if there was an archive of the RAC / organisers papers to help. The original entry forms if they exist would be interesting.

RAC- Info I have so far.
Peter Bolton / Gordon Shanley 1961 Retired. I understand it was No.16. AJB 66 in. Group 5 - Arnold Burton's Mk2 Grantura. If possible it would be interesting to find out where and why it retired. I understand it had electrical problems at the start in Blackpool, and wrong slotted before the first time control.

1962 - George Humble / J Grimshaw 77 - probably Mk3, YFR 75...? TVR works colours white with green stripes, I'm looking for full registration number. Where did this car retire.
Stan Pateman / J Spencer - probably Stan's Tulip Rally Mk2 XFV 865, where / why did it retire. ( I've been previously directed to the Tulip Rally website which is helpful).

(I'm also looking for more info on other rallies at the time, such as the Jacobean Rally 1962 where Lewis & Creed and Bolton & Philips entered. Christenson & Potts also entered the Three Counties, All Night (Congleton) Express &'Star ( Wolverhampton & Staffs). I assume in these instances contacting the organising clubs it the best way forward).

As an aside do you know if there an Monte Carlo archive I'm looking for more info on 1963/4 George Humble again but in a different Mk3.

Thank you for any help.

Rob Pennington

[EDWARD FITZGERALD]

George Humble could be the same George who raced a Chevron in the early 70s I will ask on Chevron f/book page if h
E is still about

[bradbury west]

Rob, ISTR there is a French Monte photo based archive, year over year. W have had it on here sometime ago. Lots of details.
Was there not a TVR in the YSCC Yorkshire Rally in 62 or 63?. Distant memory I fear.
Roger Lund

[RobMk2a]

Thank you for your replies -

Unfortunately George Humble is no longer with us, he owned a number of cars including GT40 so quite likely he had a Chevron.

I'll look for the Monte Carlo info.

I'll do a big more digging on the Yorkshire Rally this could possibly be Tommy Wood (in his Ex Le Mans TVR Grantura) who was based in Yorkshire.

Rob

[Vitesse2]

I'll look for the Monte Carlo info.

Rob

Yer tiz ... http://rallyemontecarlo.unblog.fr/

[RobMk2a]

Yer tiz ... http://rallyemontecarlo.unblog.fr/

Thank you - Rob

[RS2000]

Sad to say, you've actually added to my data (reg nos) rather than vice versa as I had hoped. The 1961 RAC entry is Class 5 rather than Group 5. The 1962 entries are Class 5 (#72) and Class 6 (#77) - presumably that aligns with the models of TVR involved, in two capacity classes within the Group 3 category.

 

For the Express and Star, Wolverhampton and South Staffs Car Club have an excellent history site. www.wsscc.org.uk should find the page on the history of their main rally, which was then the Express and Star, and clicking on "select a year" shows period rally reports and in some cases entry lists.

[RS2000]

That link doesn't seem to reveal their history page. I'll try again.

 

Try www.wssccrally.org.uk

 

1962 has a TVR in the results.

Edited by RS2000, 28 December 2016 - 20:34.

[RobMk2a]

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Sad to say, you've actually added to my data (reg nos) rather than vice versa as I had hoped. The 1961 RAC entry is Class 5 rather than Group 5. The 1962 entries are Class 5 (#72) and Class 6 (#77) - presumably that aligns with the models of TVR involved, in two capacity classes within the Group 3 category.

Thank you for the info and links.

Class 5 is a Grantura Mk2 and Class 6 is a Grantura Mk3.

Rob

[tsrwright]

The RAC archives are held at Churchill College, Cambridge. There is on online catalogue but from my last look at it there isn't any motorsport detail. The MSA has the Competitions Committee minute books from the year dot but that is about all. Sad, isn't it.

 

Following might be of use to somebody sometime:

 

You can browse the catalogue online by going to www.royalautomobileclub.co.uk. Click on ‘about the club’ at the top of the page, then ‘Club archive’ on the left hand side. Click on ‘click here for the searchable club archive’ You then need to click on ‘The catalogue’ and will see collections listed on the right.

[RobMk2a]

TSWright- they appear to have a heritage section, I've just sent an email request asking for information on the RAC Rally, TT and Monte Carlo (Glasgow start) 1961-64.

I'll post if I get a response.

Rob Pennington

[Rupertlt1]

I enquired a long time ago about the RAC archives and was told that much valuable material was thrown away when they morphed into the MSA.

I hope you find what you are looking for.

 

RGDS RLT