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#1051 AlexPrime

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 16:28



Driving-wise it looks about as realistic as Accolade's old Test Drive-turned-into-GP-game from 1988: https://www.myabando...cuit-ga/play-ga

that game by accolade was teh best!!! I miss it. The mobile game looks nice. I am not a racing driver, I'd like to have fun, so I don't care for realism...



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#1052 ANF

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 19:41

that game by accolade was teh best!!! I miss it. The mobile game looks nice. I am not a racing driver, I'd like to have fun, so I don't care for realism...

You can play Grand Prix Circuit in the browser on the My Abandonware page. I have set a 1:09.6 at Monza in the McLaren MP4/4...

#1053 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 22 December 2018 - 17:06

Correct me if I am wrong, they are counting people 1, 2 and 3 times.

 

https://www.f1today....ce-rise-in-2018

 

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#1054 johnmhinds

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Posted 22 December 2018 - 17:34

Correct me if I am wrong, they are counting people 1, 2 and 3 times.

 

https://www.f1today....ce-rise-in-2018

 

:cool:

FOM have always counted the people who buy the three day passes as three separate attendees to fudge their numbers higher.



#1055 AustinF1

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Posted 23 December 2018 - 04:32

Correct me if I am wrong, they are counting people 1, 2 and 3 times.

 

https://www.f1today....ce-rise-in-2018

 

:cool:

Welp, 111580/263130 estimated for Austin. So ...

 

Heh.



#1056 Sterzo

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Posted 23 December 2018 - 13:22

It's a good job there are twenty one billion people in the world to provide all these spectators and viewers.


Edited by Sterzo, 23 December 2018 - 13:22.


#1057 FLB

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:00

How about losing a big contract for failure to address piracy issues?

 

https://www.gpfans.c...levision-deals/


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#1058 Sterzo

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 13:54

^ Interesting story. Not sure how culpable Liberty are here, but it could certainly affect their income. The Saudi Arabian government deny involvement in a well-funded organisation transmitting free coverage of Football and F1, where the programmes are pirated from a Qatari-based television company. The suggestion is this might be part of the current stand-off between Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

 

Wonder if these illegal transmissions reach South London, and if the Qatari commentator is better than David Croft...



#1059 TheGoldenStoffel

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 13:55

^ Interesting story. Not sure how culpable Liberty are here, but it could certainly affect their income. The Saudi Arabian government deny involvement in a well-funded organisation transmitting free coverage of Football and F1, where the programmes are pirated from a Qatari-based television company. The suggestion is this might be part of the current stand-off between Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

 

Wonder if these illegal transmissions reach South London, and if the Qatari commentator is better than David Croft...

 

Probably yes



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#1060 Nathan

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 14:53

So for those of us who know bugger all about the NFL draft, what's the big deal and how does it fill the void of the off-season?

It adds repeative speculation that makes you say 'let's just get on with it already?'and 'boy they sure try hard to make this a year round thing'

Imo..

#1061 F1 Mike

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 17:23

On beIN sports 11 & 12 (English version) they had sky sports rebroadcast so there is no escaping Croft he's everywhere - Australia, USA, Canada, Asia... 😂

#1062 johnwilliamdavies

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 11:32

https://www.racefans...nment-offering/

 

 

Formula 1 has announced it will launch a new “global broadcast entertainment platform” featuring “A-list celebrity guests” in 2020.

 

The events will take place at city centres during race weekends in the 2020 F1 season. They will include celebrity guest appearances, “pre-filmed stunts” and live music performances.

 



#1063 Pete_f1

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 11:54

Whoopie.

#1064 F1 Mike

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 14:07

Sounds purely aimed at encouraging new interest to the sport which to me seems like a fairly decent idea

#1065 PayasYouRace

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 14:08

I'll get in with a preemptive "you don't have to watch it if you don't want to" to the purists who will inevitably turn up shortly.



#1066 7MGTEsup

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 14:40

I liked F1 before it was cool...



#1067 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 14:50

I am not smart enough to understand how seeing Will Smith, David Beckham, Baby Spice on the grid walks will entice a single new fan to F1.

 

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#1068 thegforcemaybewithyou

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 16:08

These clips could be posted to the Twitter/Facebook/Instagram pages of the stars in question, celebrity magazines might "report" about those actions and bring F1 to new fans that way.

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 16:29

Race at RA - open the pits.

 

Hire Marco Andretti to drive the Ferrari and get Bob Jenkins and Eddie Cheever in the broadcast booth!



#1070 cromofo

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 16:42

Keep making Netflix documentaries.



#1071 JHSingo

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 17:04

 

So, any bets on which sleb will be the first to publicly embarrass themselves with a clear lack of F1 knowledge, or will they be under strict instructions to just keep their mouths shut?

 

I still remember a classic from one of Martin's grid walks years ago, when he was interviewing Elizabeth Hurley.

"We're going to the first corner to see the 'take off' or whatever they call it here"

"It's called 'the start'..."



#1072 AustinF1

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 17:13

I liked F1 before it was cool...

Seems to be jumping the shark a bit lately...



#1073 John B

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 18:41

Presumably race flagging is no longer one of the celebrity activities (especially since fast lap now counts for the WDC,,,,)  :lol:



#1074 Clatter

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 18:44

Sounds purely aimed at encouraging new interest to the sport which to me seems like a fairly decent idea

 


It will attract people interested in the celebrities, I doubt many will form an interest in the sport.

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 19:07

F1 has been inviting celebrities onto the grid and into the paddock for as long as I've been watching, so I don't see a problem in using them to attract eyes to the sport that would otherwise give it a miss. There are a lot more things competing for peoples attention and screentime than 10 or 20 years ago. F1 can't continue to sit with it's head in the sand. It has an aging fandom. At least Liberty are trying something- don't forget Ecclestone did nothing to promote the sport, stuck it behind a paywall, and pushed forward a high number of financially unsustainable races in locations nobody cared to watch. Maybe he should have used a local celebrity back then...

Nobody here is really the target for any of this, but I'm sure Liberty noticed that the skits Smith did with Hamilton received 15m+ views across on instagram, so there is a demand out there to be satisfied. More eyes for the sponsors, makes F1 more attractive to them, helps fund the teams, and even if only 1/100 of those are a 'new' fans, I can't see the harm.

#1076 Stephane

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 19:32

Well, Bernie era is long gone memories, now : https://f1store.form...MP=SOC-SKRS2B7J



#1077 thegforcemaybewithyou

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 19:34

Maybe Liberty tries to work with some Youtubers, what if they for example get the Hüdraulick Presss Tschennel to do some stuff with Kimi. :)

#1078 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 19:37

I have no issue with them using celebrities for this, I just question it actually getting any new fans... My suggestion may be heretic, but what about making the racing interesting and real through the whole field?

 

I firmly believe build it and they will come.

 

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 19:44

On beIN sports 11 & 12 (English version) they had sky sports rebroadcast so there is no escaping Croft he's everywhere - Australia, USA, Canada, Asia...

 

How hard can this be? Granted, some people may like the inane shouting, but for F1 to have their whole product tied to one or two guys per country is just amazing. I don't understand why they put up with this. The Dutch have had the same commentator for what must be 30+ years! The German ones have been around for a long, long time as well.

 

Eurosport - while frequently not reporting from the scene - can find different hosts for curling matches of all things. Yet F1 can't come up with a more diverse cast of characters to explain to new viewers what's going on? It's not exactly complex stuff. Very odd!


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Posted 02 April 2019 - 19:46

Well, Bernie era is long gone memories, now : https://f1store.form...MP=SOC-SKRS2B7J

 

Well isn't that great. So profanities from one team are frowned upon, and profanities from another team get made into official merchandise. Nice! :rolleyes: :lol:



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Posted 02 April 2019 - 19:46

It will attract people interested in the celebrities, I doubt many will form an interest in the sport.

 

Does it matter as long as they contribute to the financial state of the series? And if one or two do form an interest, then you have one or two new fans coming on board that would otherwise not be.



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Posted 02 April 2019 - 19:48

Well isn't that great. So profanities from one team are frowned upon, and profanities from another team get made into official merchandise. Nice! :rolleyes: :lol:

 

I have a word for that (but can't use it here)



#1083 Clatter

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 20:10

Does it matter as long as they contribute to the financial state of the series? And if one or two do form an interest, then you have one or two new fans coming on board that would otherwise not be.

 


I don't care if they do it or not, I simply don't believe it will meet their stated aim of increasing the fan base. Just as I don't believe anyone tunes in because a celeb is strutting around the starting grid.

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 23:45

How hard can this be? Granted, some people may like the inane shouting, but for F1 to have their whole product tied to one or two guys per country is just amazing. I don't understand why they put up with this. The Dutch have had the same commentator for what must be 30+ years! The German ones have been around for a long, long time as well.

 

Eurosport - while frequently not reporting from the scene - can find different hosts for curling matches of all things. Yet F1 can't come up with a more diverse cast of characters to explain to new viewers what's going on? It's not exactly complex stuff. Very odd!

What are you on about ?



#1085 JHSingo

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 23:53

Maybe Liberty tries to work with some Youtubers, what if they for example get the Hüdraulick Presss Tschennel to do some stuff with Kimi. :)

 

Are there actually any YouTubers (or celebs in general) who haven't had their image tarnished by either some ill-advised social media posting from years ago, or other dodgy dealings though? It's probably going to be a challenge finding someone you actually want the sport associated with in the first place!  ;)



#1086 loki

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 23:54

It will attract people interested in the celebrities, I doubt many will form an interest in the sport.

 

Probably not but it may get them to attend the event just because it's an event.  In the pro races races I've attended over the last 40 years or so the die hard fans like us were well in the minority.  There were sometimes fans, people that had heard about it and people that went because it was an event.  Developing a new fanbase is a long term project.  It's going to take more than that to get new blood into following.



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Posted 03 April 2019 - 08:45

What are you on about ?

 

F1 is one of the few sports where commentators have a near-monopoly on their craft. I'm surprised F1 puts up with this, because commentators have a big influence on the total package viewers get.

 

RTL's German commentators are often accused of being boring and talking down the action, while the English commentator is constantly shouting at the top of his lungs. Makes for very different viewing experiences.



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Posted 03 April 2019 - 09:31

 

ESPN2’s live telecast of the Bahrain Grand Prix on Sunday, March 31, attracted the largest United States television audience on record for the event, the second Formula 1 round of the season in as many races to do so.

An average of 711,000 viewers watched the telecast on ESPN2, up three percent over the average audience of 692,000 that watched the race last year on ESPN2 and up 72 percent from the 413,000 that watched CNBC’s telecast in 2017. The race began at 11:05 a.m. ET.

The Bahrain telecast drew the second-largest U.S. cable television audience for a Formula 1 race on record, surpassed only by the mark of 820,000 to see the Monaco Grand Prix on ESPN last year. The Bahrain telecast also saw an increase of 16 percent in the Adults 18-34 demographic.

The number for the Bahrain event comes on the heels of ESPN earning an audience of 659,000 for the season-opening Rolex Australian Grand Prix two weeks ago, an event that began at 1 a.m. ET. That audience was also the largest U.S. television audience for the event on record and was up 277 percent over the audience of 175,000 that watched the race on ESPN2 in 2018 and up 177 percent over the 238,000 that watched it on NBCSN in 2017.

ESPN2’s telecast of the Formula 1 qualifying session for the Bahrain event also saw an increased audience over last year – the average of 340,000 viewers was up nine percent over the 311,000 that watched Bahrain qualifying last year on ESPN2.



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Posted 03 April 2019 - 09:36

 

 

ESPN2’s live telecast of the Bahrain Grand Prix on Sunday, March 31, attracted the largest United States television audience on record for the event, the second Formula 1 round of the season in as many races to do so.

An average of 711,000 viewers watched the telecast on ESPN2, up three percent over the average audience of 692,000 that watched the race last year on ESPN2 and up 72 percent from the 413,000 that watched CNBC’s telecast in 2017. The race began at 11:05 a.m. ET.

The Bahrain telecast drew the second-largest U.S. cable television audience for a Formula 1 race on record, surpassed only by the mark of 820,000 to see the Monaco Grand Prix on ESPN last year. The Bahrain telecast also saw an increase of 16 percent in the Adults 18-34 demographic.

The number for the Bahrain event comes on the heels of ESPN earning an audience of 659,000 for the season-opening Rolex Australian Grand Prix two weeks ago, an event that began at 1 a.m. ET. That audience was also the largest U.S. television audience for the event on record and was up 277 percent over the audience of 175,000 that watched the race on ESPN2 in 2018 and up 177 percent over the 238,000 that watched it on NBCSN in 2017.

ESPN2’s telecast of the Formula 1 qualifying session for the Bahrain event also saw an increased audience over last year – the average of 340,000 viewers was up nine percent over the 311,000 that watched Bahrain qualifying last year on ESPN2.

 

 

 

 

ESPN2’s live telecast of the Bahrain Grand Prix on Sunday, March 31, attracted the largest United States television audience on record for the event, the second Formula 1 round of the season in as many races to do so.

An average of 711,000 viewers watched the telecast on ESPN2, up three percent over the average audience of 692,000 that watched the race last year on ESPN2 and up 72 percent from the 413,000 that watched CNBC’s telecast in 2017. The race began at 11:05 a.m. ET.

The Bahrain telecast drew the second-largest U.S. cable television audience for a Formula 1 race on record, surpassed only by the mark of 820,000 to see the Monaco Grand Prix on ESPN last year. The Bahrain telecast also saw an increase of 16 percent in the Adults 18-34 demographic.

The number for the Bahrain event comes on the heels of ESPN earning an audience of 659,000 for the season-opening Rolex Australian Grand Prix two weeks ago, an event that began at 1 a.m. ET. That audience was also the largest U.S. television audience for the event on record and was up 277 percent over the audience of 175,000 that watched the race on ESPN2 in 2018 and up 177 percent over the 238,000 that watched it on NBCSN in 2017.

ESPN2’s telecast of the Formula 1 qualifying session for the Bahrain event also saw an increased audience over last year – the average of 340,000 viewers was up nine percent over the 311,000 that watched Bahrain qualifying last year on ESPN2.

 

 

I think it is great the numbers are up as significantly percentage wise, but those numbers are staggeringly low.... The US is the oft talked about holy grail for F1, there is a long, long, long way to go before any meaningful inroads have been made.

 

My guess would be that Denmark had the same number of viewers and that Holland had 3 or 4 times as many.

 

:cool:



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Posted 03 April 2019 - 09:42

We had 1.438k viewers on a population of 17m last weekend. (Ziggo Sport had 1.101k viewers and Ziggo Sport Select 237k). The first is subscription based, the second free for Ziggo customers. That is more than double the US count and the US has 20 times more citizens.


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#1091 Sterzo

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Posted 03 April 2019 - 10:51

So, any bets on which sleb will be the first to publicly embarrass themselves with a clear lack of F1 knowledge, or will they be under strict instructions to just keep their mouths shut?

 

I still remember a classic from one of Martin's grid walks years ago, when he was interviewing Elizabeth Hurley.

"We're going to the first corner to see the 'take off' or whatever they call it here"

"It's called 'the start'..."

I think you could be more charitable. It was Liz Hurley; she was probably thinking about clothes. The phrase "take off" is quite appropriate.



#1092 statman

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Posted 03 April 2019 - 12:32

Shanghai to kick off 2019 F1 global festival campaign - F1 announces plans to host four F1 festivals in 2019 in Shanghai, Chicago, LA and Brazil.

 

 

https://www.formula1...6p4ig1PTkI.html



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Posted 08 April 2019 - 13:53

If FOM is interested in increasing the spectacle, it might want to take note of this former F1 driver (emphasis added)

 

 

"One of the great things I’ve found in IndyCar so far is the fact we don’t have DRS means there is so much more proper fights on track wheel to wheel and corner to corner. You don’t “wait” for a DRS zone to overtake, you just go for it when you get the chance.

 

DRS might produce more overtaking but is it really producing more proper fights on track which I believe is what we want to see? (...)

 

I just know that from a driver perspective you have to be more aggressive and go for it more when you get the chance, anywhere on the track. Instead of waiting to get to a DRS zone and do the pass there the “safe” way."

 

https://twitter.com/...927615727149057

 

Last race Hamilton and Vettel both overtook each other. It was a complete snoozer, and had Vettel not spun his car after the second pass was done, nobody would even have taken note.

 

DRS continues to be a disaster for F1. Not only are DRS passes dull as can be, its more pernicious outcome is that the FIA and FOM have failed to take serious steps to addressing the aerodynamic crisis affecting F1.

 

Other series are showing that it's very much possible to tackle this issue in a more concrete sense. Thumbs up to Ericsson for highlighting it. :up:



#1094 PayasYouRace

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 13:59

The FIA have taken note. Not only do we have new regulations for this year, but it’s a 2 year stopgap until the 2021 regulations actually fix it.

But hey, why wait for the properly thought out regulations to be put into place when we can make a knee-jerk reaction NOW to one of the most exciting F1 races in recent years?

Hey, DRS isn’t ideal, but when fans switch off (mentally) as soon as they see that flap open and declare whatever comes next a drive by, it seems it doesn’t matter how exciting it actually is.

#1095 Beri

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 14:09

The FIA have taken note. Not only do we have new regulations for this year, but it’s a 2 year stopgap until the 2021 regulations actually fix it.

But hey, why wait for the properly thought out regulations to be put into place when we can make a knee-jerk reaction NOW to one of the most exciting F1 races in recent years?

Hey, DRS isn’t ideal, but when fans switch off (mentally) as soon as they see that flap open and declare whatever comes next a drive by, it seems it doesn’t matter how exciting it actually is.


A hardened fan will know the difference between a stunning pass (albeit by drs) or just one that is purely on the bases of a 30kmh speed difference far before the braking zone.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 14:09

DRS WAS the knee-jerk reaction... One that keeps persisting though.



#1097 Beri

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 14:14

It was a reaction to people screaming for more overtakes. They, in the end, got what they wanted. Sadly one must say.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 14:16

A hardened fan will know the difference between a stunning pass (albeit by drs) or just one that is purely on the bases of a 30kmh speed difference far before the braking zone.

 

Did everyone moan about the hanford wing when it arrived in Indycar? I seem to remember on the super speedways you would never know who was going to be leading the lap when the cars were close together the draft was that powerful.

 

Has the internet just made people whiny?



#1099 Beri

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 14:23

I guess so. I never complained during the borefests of the mid 90s. Witnessing the drivers struggle with those sexy cars to even drive them straight on is still mesmerizing to me.
But hey, everything for the show. A better show sells better and makes more money.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 14:25

Well apparently DRS is false but Push-to-Pass is fine, because that doesn’t give the following driver an advantage...

Thing is, DRS was a bit of an ill conceived method of improving the situation. Now the FIA and FOM are actually working on cars that will be capable of racing well, using more resources than have ever been thrown at the problem before. But that’s just not quick enough for some. It has to be done yesterday.