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#1501 Rob G

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Posted 17 September 2023 - 01:53

Interesting that the Singapore circuit has an intersection entered twice, and from opposite directions...

 

This was also a feature of the Woody Point circuit in Brisbane, which was used only once (in 1936) for a 'high speed reliability trial' at a time when the RACQ was trying to convince the government that they should allow racing on public roads.

 

The current Long Beach circuit also features something similar, although the divided highway is exited at two different intersections one block apart.



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#1502 GregThomas

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Posted 17 September 2023 - 19:08

The Hamilton NZ street circuit used for motorcycle racing from 1973 - 78 and a different version 1993-94 used a large roundabout as a feature.

The early version used parts of it twice a lap.

My business partner had raced there and remarked that you seemed always to be approaching, going round or leaving the damm roundabout.

i believe the commentators position was in the center of the roundabout



#1503 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 September 2023 - 20:24

Here's the situation at Woody Point...

 

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Quite narrow gravel suburban streets, the first pic shows a car turning left out of one of the fastest straights on the circuit, note the house on the right. The second shows another car turning left in the opposite direction, again the house on the corner identifies the junction while there's a car parked right on the corner. The third pic shows an out-of-control car coming from the right, just visible on the left is another car going the other way (along with its wisp of dust), the parked car on the corner can clearly be seen.

 

Photos by Loder Beak.



#1504 ozpata

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Posted 26 September 2023 - 11:50

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#1505 ozpata

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#1506 ozpata

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Posted 20 October 2023 - 15:13

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direction corrected on November 2nd


Edited by ozpata, 02 November 2023 - 23:30.


#1507 ozpata

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Posted 01 November 2023 - 11:01

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#1508 seanmac

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Posted 01 November 2023 - 19:38

Thank you for this.

I had not realised that the 1947 race’s circuit was so much shorter.



#1509 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 November 2023 - 21:05

It looks pretty interesting to me...

 

The 1948 form is such a natural path for the circuit, the length of that version was so much more in keeping with those times, so I'm curious as to just why that tight hairpin was used and the more flowing section which was to follow the next year wasn't a part of the 1947 layout.

 

Looking at it on Street View one finds that the section descending that hill is not terribly wide, but the (one way) street into which the course turns is positively skinny.

 

Anyway, it's time once again to thank Oscar and his obsession for bringing these to us in such detail and uniformity.



#1510 Barry Boor

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Posted 01 November 2023 - 21:27

The later circuit is one that I have actually walked around.

 

I thought it was an extremely interesting circuit, with considerable elevation changes.

 

My comment at the time was that if Ospedaletti had had a casino, Monaco might never had got off the ground.

 

The most remarkable thing about the circuit was that as far as I can tell, the curving main ‘straight’ was the main road along the coast of that part of Italy, so when races were taking place, I wondered how anyone got from San Remo through to France.



#1511 ozpata

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Posted 02 November 2023 - 11:18

yesterday I got new information that makes the 1947 going in the other direction, sorry for the mistake

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Edited by ozpata, 02 November 2023 - 23:30.


#1512 ozpata

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Posted 15 November 2023 - 02:58

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#1513 ozpata

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Posted 23 November 2023 - 13:51

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#1514 ozpata

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#1515 ozpata

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Posted 21 December 2023 - 14:58

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#1516 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 December 2023 - 20:44

Interesting...

 

That steep dive into the Eastern hairpin would be a test of brakes.



#1517 LittleChris

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Posted 21 December 2023 - 21:41

Interesting...

 

That steep dive into the Eastern hairpin would be a test of brakes.

As it would if they'd used Governors Dip ( the little upside down V where the circuit turns right after Km4) especially given how slippery it can be there under the trees during the TT and Manx GPs ( though used in the opposite direction ) . 



#1518 Michael Ferner

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Posted 22 December 2023 - 09:11



Interesting...

 

That steep dive into the Eastern hairpin would be a test of brakes.

 

That's uphill, Ray. The only notably downhill section of the course appears to be the run from Onchan down to the Bay. That hairpin there is just a stone's throw from the famous Manx Arms pub, where the motorcycles turned right to run up to Signpost on the Clypse circuit. You can see it on the left here on this street view:

 

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Interesting, I don't think I have heard or read about this course before. For which race(s) was it used?



#1519 Michael Ferner

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Posted 22 December 2023 - 09:13

Ah, sorry - mixed up east and west, AGAIN!!  :blush:  You meant this hairpin, but as you can see it's not much of a downhill run into it.



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#1520 Michael Ferner

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Posted 22 December 2023 - 09:38

Upon further investigation, I realize I was wrong: the hairpin was a little further up the road, where there's a roundabout today - the road you see on the above photo is just a small and narrow connection called Kelvin Road. Here's how it looked, approaching the hairpin from the direction of Governor's Bridge - as you can see, Ray, not steep at all!

 

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#1521 Allan Lupton

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Posted 22 December 2023 - 10:27

 

Interesting, I don't think I have heard or read about this course before. For which race(s) was it used?

Mannin Beg and Mannin Moar. Here's the 1934 Mannin Beg:

https://youtu.be/zoslVhtAUJ0
 


Edited by Allan Lupton, 22 December 2023 - 10:28.


#1522 SteveJones

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Posted 22 December 2023 - 15:40

The IoM circuit diagram shown is for the 1933 Mannin Beg and Mannin More races. The 1934 layout was different in that it included the full length of the Glencrutchery Road (the Start/Finish straight for the TT and MGP today but run in the opposite direction). The 1933 circuit layout was only used in 1933.

 

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#1523 Allan Lupton

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Posted 22 December 2023 - 16:01

I didn't mean to confuse - it was just a bit of film which I thought would give some idea of Douglas' motor racing.



#1524 SteveJones

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Posted 22 December 2023 - 19:51

Appreciate that Allan. I think we've known each other for too long for me to think any different.



#1525 Michael Ferner

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Posted 22 December 2023 - 20:52

Thank you! I'd forgotten they used a different track (almost) every year.



#1526 ozpata

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Posted 29 December 2023 - 12:31

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#1527 ozpata

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#1528 Otto Grabe

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Posted 12 January 2024 - 18:46

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Duc-Man on 11 January 2020  #845

Sorry, but that's the wrong german flag...

https://forums.autos...ck-maps/page-17

 

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I agree, what you're doing at the moment is fine for me too Oskar, but I do think you should change the flag in the Bautzen one. It was in "the other Germany" on the date given, you wouldn't want to upset the Ossies.

https://forums.autos...ck-maps/page-18

 

 

 

Good things need time  ;) : Yes, It was in the “other Germany” on the date stated, but the flags were still the same back then. The new one was only introduced at the end of 1959 - ten years after the founding of the GDR. So the flag shown by Oskar is the correct one.

https://d-d-r.de/ddr...atssymbole.html

 

I'm having trouble posting photos. I keep getting the message: “You are not allowed to use this image extension in this community.”
What am I doing wrong?  :confused:

(Hence this complicated presentation)


Edited by Otto Grabe, 16 January 2024 - 15:08.


#1529 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 January 2024 - 20:27

Otto...

 

That would normally mean that the file type (usually .jpg, .png, .bmp) is not acceptable. I think it's only .jpg and .png which are allowed, so what file types are you trying to post?

 

Really, this conversation should be in the 'How to post your pictures' thread up among the 'sticky' threads.



#1530 Otto Grabe

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Posted 12 January 2024 - 22:15

Ray

 Thank you very much. I tried with .jpg and .png. I've successfully posted pictures before, but it's been a while so I thought there might be some changes.   Now I will give 'How to post your pictures' a try ... :wave: 



#1531 Ray Bell

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Posted 13 January 2024 - 10:00

let's see how these go...

 

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#1532 Otto Grabe

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Posted 13 January 2024 - 15:43

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#1533 ozpata

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#1534 ozpata

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#1536 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 February 2024 - 15:24

That one looks like a real challenge, Oscar!

 

It looks like there's a real ravine there for them to descend into and climb out of...



#1537 70JesperOH

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Posted 02 February 2024 - 13:17

There's also a big drop from km 40 to 41 of some 100 metres. All of these drops and climbs seems to fit with the roads marked in light grey.

 

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#1538 uechtel

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Posted 02 February 2024 - 18:13

If you take a look at this route on google maps, I think the two drops/slopes may roughly fit to the road marked as D 32 between the villages Fresnoy-la-Riviere and Gilocourt.

 

https://maps.app.goo...uNhceTr2La6kuRA

 

The track profile looks also quite similar.



#1539 LittleChris

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Posted 02 February 2024 - 20:59

If you take a look at this route on google maps, I think the two drops/slopes may roughly fit to the road marked as D 32 between the villages Fresnoy-la-Riviere and Gilocourt.

 

https://maps.app.goo...uNhceTr2La6kuRA

 

The track profile looks also quite similar.

 

Your track profile is spot on uechtel and the drops / rises are presumably because the road drops into and out of the valley created by the River Automne, best shown if you select the terrain option on Google maps  :up:



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#1540 ozpata

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#1542 ozpata

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#1543 just me again

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Posted 19 February 2024 - 16:58

A track in a Railway yard. That warms my heart :-)

Airport's are normally better suited for converting to racing track!!

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#1547 Sterzo

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Posted 13 March 2024 - 14:03

^ Madness. At least they had equal slot lengths, left and right.



#1548 William Hunt

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Posted 13 March 2024 - 15:14

I never realised the Heysel track went... under the highway (which is part of the Ring of Brussels)