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#501 Spa65

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 12:03

Since the 2 July post from Ozpata, I haven't been able to see these later track maps - only a little "png" symbol that doesn't open or download. Anyone know how to see these, or is this a common problem now for everyone?



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#502 Hati

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 18:24

Anyone know how to see these, or is this a common problem now for everyone?

 

I don't know how common it's but I can see them without problems.



#503 alansart

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 18:56

I don't know how common it's but I can see them without problems.

...and me :wave:



#504 Michael Ferner

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 19:22

Since the 2 July post from Ozpata, I haven't been able to see these later track maps - only a little "png" symbol that doesn't open or download. Anyone know how to see these, or is this a common problem now for everyone?


Same problem here! I was just going to post an inquiry similar to yours when I saw yours, so thanks for sparing me the troubles. :)



#505 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 21:51

Works for me...

Maybe there's too many images on the page for a slow connection?

#506 Allen Brown

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 08:27

Works fine for me too



#507 Vitesse2

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 10:13

Strange. No problem here. No logical reason I can think of that it would happen either, apart from possibly a browser-specific issue which might be related to the way the newer images are encoded; maybe that's the common factor? Have you tried with another browser and/or on another machine? Chrome and Internet Explorer seem to be the most common culprits in cases like this.



#508 cpbell

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 14:32

I'm using Firefox and can see the maps fine.



#509 kayemod

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 14:45

I'm using Firefox and can see the maps fine.

 

Me too, never had a problem. I did try Chrome a few years ago, and found one or two uncooperative sites with that, but what browsers are others using?



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Posted 24 July 2018 - 15:31

Looks like I was at least half right. I'm currently on a machine which has Waterfox, Firefox and Internet Explorer installed. No problem in the first two. Not working in Internet Explorer. Which could mean the same problem might exist in Edge as well. But that doesn't rule out Chrome of course ...



#511 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 15:50

I long ago came to the conclusion that Chrome was no good...

Every 'a script is running on a page' message I got was to do with Chrome.

#512 Geoff E

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 16:37

No problem with Chrome for me.

#513 Allen Brown

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 17:26

Due to my day job, I have numerous browsers available to me, and I don't see an problem with any of them.  Chrome released a new version today, but I doubt that is the issue.



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Posted 24 July 2018 - 17:54

Due to my day job, I have numerous browsers available to me, and I don't see an problem with any of them.  Chrome released a new version today, but I doubt that is the issue.

So perhaps this might be complicated by the OS as well? The machine on which I had problems with IE is still running Windows 7.

 

ETA: Okay here with Chrome on W10.



#515 Allen Brown

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 18:19

So perhaps this might be complicated by the OS as well? The machine on which I had problems with IE is still running Windows 7.

 

ETA: Okay here with Chrome on W10.

 

I keep an old Lenovo Thinkpad with Win 7 and IE8 for this sort of testing, and that shows all the images.  



#516 Vitesse2

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 18:30

"Curiouser and curiouser" said Alice ...

 

Don't think we can get any further with this without hearing back from Spa65 and Michael.

 

ETA: Ah, I see you mentioned IE8. Pretty sure the W7 machine I checked on is running IE10. Can't check till Friday, though.



#517 Michael Ferner

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 18:48

W 10 Home, and IE 11. Problem persists.



#518 Vitesse2

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 19:08

W 10 Home, and IE 11. Problem persists.

Okay, just created and uploaded a .png file. Visible below, Michael?

 

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#519 opplock

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 19:23

I can see maps and No 16 both with Edge and Chrome. OS is Windows 10. 



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#520 Michael Ferner

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 19:23

Yes, a W154 going through Karussell - Dick Seaman?



#521 Allen Brown

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 19:40

The images are coming from i19-dot-servimg-dot-com. Any chance you have blocked that somehow?
 
Do you have any other browsers installed?  Would be useful to know if you have the same problem on Chrome or Firefox.


Edited by Allen Brown, 24 July 2018 - 19:47.


#522 Allen Brown

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 19:49

Very interesting. If I put up an image from ORC, it is changed from http to https by the forum software, which means it does not display!

Edited by Allen Brown, 24 July 2018 - 19:50.


#523 Michael Ferner

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 20:33

The images are coming from i19-dot-servimg-dot-com. Any chance you have blocked that somehow?


The older images come from the same server, and work all right, so it can't be that.

I have tried Edge and Chrome, and the pictures show - however, there's a reason I'm using IE 11 and not those, so I'm not going to change browser only because I cannot see a few pictures at TNF. Would appreciate a fix, though.

Edited by Michael Ferner, 24 July 2018 - 20:33.


#524 Vitesse2

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 21:53

Very interesting. If I put up an image from ORC, it is changed from http to https by the forum software, which means it does not display!

That's known behaviour where the image host's server isn't HTTPS compliant, Allen.

 

https://forums.autos...ow-fully-https/

 

The older images come from the same server, and work all right, so it can't be that.

I have tried Edge and Chrome, and the pictures show - however, there's a reason I'm using IE 11 and not those, so I'm not going to change browser only because I cannot see a few pictures at TNF. Would appreciate a fix, though.

 

I'll drop Grayson a PM and see if he can get to the bottom of it.



#525 LittleChris

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 22:07

Generally catch up with threads on my phone ( Android using Chrome ) and Ozpata's maps initially don't appear ie I get the PNG, but a couple of days later I get the map ( thankfully cos I love them !! )  



#526 Spa65

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 22:35

Well I originally mentioned the problem, I run W10 with IE11. It works OK with Chrome. Like Mr. Ferner, I'm not changing browsers for that.

However I can't get the "Quote" function to work to acknowledge other contributors. I think I've had that problem for months. Bloody computers.



#527 ozpata

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Posted 24 July 2018 - 23:33

sorry for the issues some are having, I don't know if it will help but maps are posted at  https://twitter.com/ozpata and  https://oscarplada.blogspot.com on the same day that are posted here 

the first post list also gets updated 


Edited by ozpata, 24 July 2018 - 23:34.


#528 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 July 2018 - 02:29

Originally posted by Spa65
.....I can't get the "Quote" function to work to acknowledge other contributors. I think I've had that problem for months.....


You need to have the 'lightbulb' icon clicked... the top left of the reply box:

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You can't tell it's a 'lightbulb' either? Join the club, I suspect it's a large one.

#529 Tim Murray

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Posted 25 July 2018 - 03:04

I’ve always taken it to be a light switch, but who knows?

#530 Michael Ferner

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Posted 25 July 2018 - 09:09

Since Spa65 seems to be running the same setup as me, I suspect he's got the "light bulb" switched on - quoting works for me only when it's switched off! I can't use most (any?) of the features in the reply box anyway, so I keep the "bulb" switched off at all times. Smileys and formatting only work if I remember the BB codes - the effort required for that keeps me young :) (hopefully!! :lol:)

#531 Vitesse2

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 09:35

I'll drop Grayson a PM and see if he can get to the bottom of it.

Just to keep those who are concerned in the loop, the developers will be looking at this to see if it's down to a problem with the board software, but the initial thought is that it's something Microsoft have done to IE.

 

On a more general note, for people still using IE, it really is getting to the point where you need to consider migrating to a different browser. In theory it will still be supported until 2025 on Windows 10, but it seems there's a groundswell of opinion among website developers that they will give up on supporting it when Windows 7 reaches end of life in January 2020 - just 18 months away. IE currently has a market share of just 3% and is increasingly outdated in its (lack of) support for newer web standards. I know there are websites which are claimed to only work with IE, but in practice you can usually fool them by using a user agent string spoofer.



#532 Michael Ferner

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 21:32

A user agent string spoofer? Is it any good? How much horsepower does it have? Can I drive it with my B licence?

As you can probably tell, I'm not very techy, I just want to surf the net w/o hassle. I am always told that IE is out of date, but whenever I try something different, it sucks.

#533 Catalina Park

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 04:41

The best thing about Internet Explorer is you can use it to download another browser.

#534 ozpata

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Posted 30 July 2018 - 21:00

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Posted 31 July 2018 - 21:27

Also used in 1948



#536 ozpata

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 11:56

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#537 kayemod

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 12:24

A fascinating thread Ozpata, great research, but you're finding some strange circuits. Looking at the last two, cars must have had pretty impressive steering lock in those days, and they obviously never thought much about spectator safety back then..



#538 ozpata

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Posted 20 August 2018 - 11:21

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#539 ozpata

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 11:32

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#540 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 12:02

Known as the 'Wirlinga-Thurgoona' circuit...

I've forgotten the details now, but one year the start/finish line was a quarter of a mile down the long Bowna Road straight, the southerly run to the right of the map.

The short curved link at the bottom of the map is a part of the Riverina Highway, provision being made for any through traffic during race meetings by the carving of a track along the Travelling Stock Reserve to the south of the road.

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 13:58

Checking my story in Motor Racing Australia about this circuit, I can confirm that the 1938 start line was on the short leg at the bottom of the map.

For 1939 and 1940 it was, as described, about a quarter of a mile down the Bowna Road from the top right corner of the map. There was never a start in the Orphanage Lane section.

And for interest sake, the lap record:

19.3.38 Frank Kleinig (McIntyre Hudson 8) 3:25 (74.6mph/120kmh)
12.6.39 Colin Dunne (MG K3 s/c) 3:15 (78.47mph/126.26kmh)
12.6.39 John Crouch (Alfa Romeo 2.3) (equalled Dunne’s time)
16.6.40 Alf Barrett (Alfa Romeo Monza 2.3) 2:50 (90mph/144.8kmh)



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#542 ozpata

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 21:24

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is this closer? I wasn't sure and took the starting points from Terry's book 



#543 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 22:40

I don't know what material Terry had at his disposal, obviously newspapers for a start...

I have a photograph of the cars lined up to start the 1940 race in which it is clear (from shadows etc) that they are pointed South. I also spoke to a small number of people who were there, including Ted Parsons, riding mechanic in the winning car of 1938 and 1939.

These were luxuries I don't think Terry had.

I'll post that photo once I overcome some sort of problem with my camera.

#544 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 23:31

And here it is...

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This pic was loaned to me by Tim Hocking, one of the number of 'people who were there' to whom I spoke.

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Posted 01 September 2018 - 18:04

Known as the 'Wirlinga-Thurgoona' circuit...

I've forgotten the details now, but one year the start/finish line was a quarter of a mile down the long Bowna Road straight, the southerly run to the right of the map.

The short curved link at the bottom of the map is a part of the Riverina Highway, provision being made for any through traffic during race meetings by the carving of a track along the Travelling Stock Reserve to the south of the road.


Well there you go, I've driven on those roads many times, never knew they were used for racing

#546 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 September 2018 - 14:57

Orphanage Lane, the stretch which heads North, is no longer driveable...

But it's clearly seen by the lines of trees and is intersected several times at the top end by local streets.

Bowna Road was used for much more than just racing. As a part of the Hume Highway prior to the construction of the Hume Weir it saw dozens of cars attempting the Sydney-Melbourne record during the twenties.

#547 ozpata

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 11:10

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#548 Rob Semmeling

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 15:43

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This circuit was used twice: for the first post-war motorcycle race in Belgium in September 1945, titled Grand Prix de la Cambre; and for the sports car Grand Prix of June 1946.

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The above layout was used for motorcycle racing from 1946-1952, and for a separate Formula 3 race in May 1952.

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 14:43

Looks like a fabulous track, judging from Google Streetview.  :clap: