Looks like a fabulous track, judging from Google Streetview.
Absolutely agree!
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Posted 09 September 2018 - 18:08
Link works fine for me - which browser are you trying to open it in?
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IE 11. W7Pro at work (ssshh!), and W10 at home. The strange thing is that all pictures up to June 18 are still visible, but nothing posted from July 2 onwards! I would really appreciate a fix.
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Posted 18 September 2018 - 10:34
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Posted 24 September 2018 - 14:21
That's like the Brands Hatch Indy circuit, but the other way around, and, presumably, flat as a pancake.
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Posted 24 September 2018 - 22:54
Indeed, in 1951/52 there would be a hairpin immediately at the northern end of the tribunes, so without that section on the open airport area.
Posted 25 September 2018 - 17:16
so basically this layout is good for 1949
I saw some results for 1951 noting 3km lap f2 or german championship, so they got another layout longer or is basically the 2.7 ?
Posted 29 September 2018 - 10:10
Again, in 1951 a shortened 2.3 km layout was used. The 3 km course refers to the 2.71 km layout used in 1949 only.
Posted 01 October 2018 - 10:46
Posted 05 October 2018 - 11:57
Didn't notice this last time but it's Skarpnäck without the s. Skarpnäcksloppet means the race at Skarpnäck.
Posted 08 October 2018 - 10:19
Posted 08 October 2018 - 10:24
Didn't notice this last time but it's Skarpnäck without the s. Skarpnäcksloppet means the race at Skarpnäck.
Keep up the good work!
Christer
Yes, that's right. It should be Skarpnäck. Check with a modern map. The resedential area that was built on the old airfield has the same name, Skarpnäck.
But the track map is not right for these years. There were at least three configurations between 1948 and 1970. In 1948-49 it was a 3 km track made up by haybales up and down the runways. The other were 1,7 and 2km long. The longer of these also went out on the western leg, with an hairpin before a longer start/finish-straight. It was finally abandoned after a car had went through the hay-bales in the fast left before the last hairpin and out on to the finish straight.
Posted 08 October 2018 - 10:28
Posted 08 October 2018 - 12:43
Yep, that's the 3km layout. But it was only used during the two big events in 1948 and 1949. And it should be "Skarpnäck" without the extra s.
Posted 08 October 2018 - 13:16
Originally posted by ozpata
Posted 08 October 2018 - 22:24
This triggers a few thoughts with me...
First of all, according to Terry Walker's book this circuit was only used for motorcycles. I guess it's reasonable to say that's where the 'TT' event title came from.
There was, however, a 'Tourist Trophy' race for cars held at Phillip Island, and surely it would have been held on the triangular course at the Western end of the mapped circuit. The start/finish straight was therefore the only common part with this circuit, also with the original Grand Prix circuit.
The triangular circuit described was used up to 1940, as I recall. Or do I have that wrong?
well I was doing some research and saw like 3 layouts, one for bikes "TT"
the triangular I got it from 36 to 40 and another one used from 1928 to 35 shorter than the TT at about 10.6 km but still using the same finish straight, hope it is correct
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Posted 18 October 2018 - 07:28
That's actually quite funny.
Posted 18 October 2018 - 08:01
Edited by Ray Bell, 18 October 2018 - 08:02.
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Posted 23 October 2018 - 21:45
I am doing the maps for the track, but I am not certain about starting points
1948: which direction and where was the starting point ?
1949-56: " inverted Y" 1956 start but was the races from 1949 to 1955 also starting there?
1957-62: is the direction correct ?
thanks for any help you can provide
Posted 24 October 2018 - 06:40
Very clearly I am mistaken re thinking that PI was on the same piece of land. From those Maps it was far closer to Cowes.
SO when did the current circuit come into use? It was in use in the 60s or before with the 500 mile race. And abandoned in the mid 70s. And reopened in the 90s for the bike GP with more than a few mods but still in esscence the same basic layout.
Those Euro circiuts give away the fact they are airfields,, and probably built during the war so some good came from the war.
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Posted 24 October 2018 - 22:08
Very clearly I am mistaken re thinking that PI was on the same piece of land. From those Maps it was far closer to Cowes.
SO when did the current circuit come into use? It was in use in the 60s or before with the 500 mile race. And abandoned in the mid 70s. And reopened in the 90s for the bike GP with more than a few mods but still in esscence the same basic layout.
Those Euro circiuts give away the fact they are airfields,, and probably built during the war so some good came from the war.
I think that you might be thinking of the actual racing circuit ( the maps I did are of circuits using normal roads) build around 1956 if I am not mistaken, if that is the one, is basically all the way south by the water and a little bit to the right of the triangle circuit, down by Pyramid road
Posted 24 October 2018 - 22:27
Edited by Ray Bell, 24 October 2018 - 22:30.
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Posted 05 November 2018 - 21:45
I personally measured this circuit in 1972, Oscar...
I was driving a Datsun 180BSSS and had done an all-night drive from Sydney. During that drive I verified everything I could in the instrumentation and the odometer was among those things. Yes, it was out, but I was able to correct the figures.
The actual circuit length was 9.65 miles, not 9.75. Hence it is 13.917kms.
Thanks Ray, I will fix that
Posted 06 November 2018 - 13:54
Posted 06 November 2018 - 15:49
The actual circuit length was 9.65 miles, not 9.75. Hence it is 13.917kms.
Clearly the 9.65 was a typo ... it ought to be 8.65.
Posted 06 November 2018 - 21:04
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Posted 13 November 2018 - 18:29
Edited by Radoye, 13 November 2018 - 18:30.
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Posted 14 November 2018 - 23:02
Wow this one hardly changed since https://www.google.c...m/data=!3m1!1e3
Outline of the circuit hasn't changed much if at all but a lot less trees these days following WW2 !
There's a rather impressive monument ( on the inside of the corner before the start area ) to Louis Trintignant and Guy Bouriat who perished during the 1933 meeting - can be seen on Google streetview.
Posted 23 November 2018 - 13:15
just a reminder
Fisherman's bend
I am doing the maps for the track, but I am not certain about starting points
1948: which direction and where was the starting point ?
1949-56: " inverted Y" 1956 start but was the races from 1949 to 1955 also starting there?
1957-62: is the direction correct ?
thanks for any help you can provide
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Posted 05 December 2018 - 03:11
Edited by Bikr7549, 05 December 2018 - 04:37.
Posted 05 December 2018 - 08:09
I assume you are able to read German, so thanks to google a race report is just two mouseclicks away...
https://www.neckar-c...adt-231490.html
Also a nice early colour picture
https://www.reutling...in.php?id=28960
Track map (with street names)
https://www.formel3g...0-tuebingen.jpg
And there even seems to be some film material available
https://doksite.de/v...Autorennen 1950
Posted 06 December 2018 - 20:25
Danke fuer die Auskuenfte uechtel! There is a motorcyclist in the family there who is of the age to have maybe seen these races, and I have sent him this info and asked if he had been there to see. Writing and speaking German is ok, reading is a bit slower but I will take a stab at the race report.
Bob