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#51 ozpata

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Posted 28 March 2017 - 10:00

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#52 ray b

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Posted 28 March 2017 - 17:27

http://www.trilon.com/bapom/maps.htm

the big pile of maps project / GPL guys did these
many are also made as drivable tracks in the Grand Prix Legends SIM

keep up the good work on the track maps

thanks

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#53 ozpata

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 13:35

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#54 ozpata

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 12:31

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#55 Michael Ferner

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 16:04

I may be wrong, but isn't the direction of Brno wrong, i.e. it should be clockwise?



#56 D-Type

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 18:44

I may be wrong, but isn't the direction of Brno wrong, i.e. it should be clockwise?

As drawn, it's correct.  According to Peter Higham's International Motor Racing Guide, from 1930-37 it was anticlockwise, then from 1947-63 it was shortened from 18.109 miles to 11.061 miles and run clockwise, etc.  



#57 tsrwright

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 04:11

I do agree that this is exceptionally nice work; have I missed it or is there a list or catalogue somewhere -  would be a useful thing to have?


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#58 ozpata

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 11:12

added a list to the first post, some of the ones already done might get a little update and will be noted when posted

I will have to think on a more practical way because the list will get too long, have more than 200 tracks sort of ready to get started or close to



#59 wolf sun

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 20:12

If you're ever going to have these printed as a book I hereby place my order.

 

Bravo!!!



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#60 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 18:16

Just some technical questions: Oscar, what software do you use to create your masterpieces? What do you normally take as a basis starting to draw the contours - maps, or aerial photos, or space imagery? And how do you solve the problems of possibly different cartographic projections and untransformed imagery?



#61 ozpata

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 21:27

most of the time is done with a combo of Inkscape and Photoshop

 

I usually do a preliminar calendar, for example already doing the contacts on 52-53 season

then is a matter of contacting local authorities, send a few e mails, they most of the time point me to the right place to access some material, I prefer to get maps from the period and Ortho pictures, some places respond, some give you a link, others try to give some help, a lot of places are doing a digital update of some data, so in some cases will have to wait or look for alternatives, sometimes the data is only available by purchase

 

then will do a search for images in other places like some universities libraries, local historical societies or any place that might have old maps , pictures, a look into google earth or some alike to get an idea what the terrain is like today, since a lot of places are no longer around, can be hard to place them or as is normal, changes take over time, roads get wider, changes on where they are or some modification, maps from magazines and books help to get a general idea but usually are not exact representations, they are more like a general shape, and that can no resolve issues or questions about the layout, that is why period or close to, pictures and maps can help resolve those questions.

 

that is why I try to always have a good margin to work with, I have various amounts of data on well over 200 tracks( some have a few variations, so there are separate folders within each track) and adding more everyday, most of the time I have 15 to 20 maps already started, work on details or areas that might not be clear, I am not claiming that they are exact or the ultimate, but I try to figure out everything possible to present them as close as they were,so going by that calendar I set at the start, try to get the information that I need to keep going accordingly, some tracks have to be left behind until the more complete information is obtained

 

the trick is to find as much as possible, maps and pictures from the period, is not impossible, just requires time and then use everything to create the more complete image to work with

 

very rarely images from today or 20 years ago, can help with tracks that are no longer around or have change significantly


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#62 JacnGille

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 00:49

:up:



#63 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 09:38

Bueno, no tengo nada que añadir o preguntar más. Un trabajo enorme, de verdad, y estoy maravillado. ¡Que progreses!



#64 ozpata

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 10:21

some updates to tracks as the 51 rolls on

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#65 ozpata

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 10:25

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#66 ozpata

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 01:33

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#67 ozpata

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Posted 24 April 2017 - 10:33

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#68 ozpata

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 08:59

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#69 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 11:33

Applecross... another lovely circuit I've driven...

Obviously long after the racing was seen there. 39 years after in fact.

It has a couple of really tricky corners, but only when racing was held in a clockwise direction. Which it was the only time the circuit was used.

#70 ozpata

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 10:20

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#71 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 20:12

And a sheer delight for the whole 17.7kms...

A wonderful experience it was driving that circuit last year.

#72 ozpata

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Posted 03 May 2017 - 23:28

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#73 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 10:21

I really enjoy these images.  So very interesting.

 

With regard to the Nice, France posting above, I was admiring it when the thought suddenly occurred that the course route along the shore may well have been that which figured in the 2016 terror attack.  A little checking with Google Maps confirmed that it most assuredly does.  A key feature which is easy to zero-in upon was the park with circular feature.  Je me souviens...  RIP, mes amis...

 

https://en.wikipedia...016_Nice_attack

 

 



#74 Barry Boor

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 11:00

Yes, Manfred, this atrocity did occur along the part of the Promenade des Anglais that was part of the Nice circuit.

#75 ozpata

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 10:58

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#76 Allen Brown

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 17:08

These maps are SO impressive.  What an incredible achievement!



#77 Glengavel

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Posted 14 May 2017 - 20:54

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I had to look this one up, it seems so crazy, racing round a motorway junction!



#78 kayemod

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Posted 14 May 2017 - 22:04

I had to look this one up, it seems so crazy, racing round a motorway junction!

 

It does indeed, and it's all still there today, right next to Dresden airport, just outside the city. I drove along there several times the year before last, and nothing left to see of course. I'd have paid a bit more attention if I'd known about the junction's motor racing history, but those hairpin turns must have been very tight. There's a very interesting transport museum in Dresden itself, but nothing on any motor racing history as far as I can remember, all the cars on display seemed to be road-going Tatras.



#79 lustigson

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 07:22

I had to look this one up, it seems so crazy, racing round a motorway junction!

 

I once had a similar idea for this fine junction on the A27 near Hilversum, The Netherlands. However, they're currently in the process of tearing it up, since they're widening the A27 from 2x2 to 2x3 lanes.


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#80 ozpata

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 10:40

thanks to Terry Walker and Ray Bell in helping clarify some issues with Albany and Applecross

 

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#81 uechtel

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 10:02

I had to look this one up, it seems so crazy, racing round a motorway junction!

Such was very common at that time. There were similar races using highway parts and junctions in West (Junction Karlsruhe-Durlach 1946 to 1949, junction Cologne-Süd, 1948 / 1949) and East Germany (Dessau, 1949to 1956 1956, junction Dresden-Hellerau 1951 to 1954, junction Bernau 1952 to 1954, junction Karl-Marx-Stadt/Chemnitz 1952 / 1953) and also in Austria (Salzburg-Liefering, 1948 to 1952).

 

From the viewpoint of the time it may not have seemed so much crazy if you have in mind, that in the early years after the war individual traffic wasn´t allowed on Sundays anyway and that many highways were still under construction. So the junctions offered at least some good infrastructure until proper racetracks like the Nürburgurgring could be repaired.



#82 ozpata

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 11:09

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#83 ozpata

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 12:12

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#84 Ray Bell

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 12:31

I just about went mental trying to find the top section of the circuit when I went there...

What I was looking for was the larger curves that made up the extension used after 1954. I had no reference to the circuit as above, but I did drive it as shown.

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 20:22

I just about went mental trying to find the top section of the circuit when I went there...

What I was looking for was the larger curves that made up the extension used after 1954. I had no reference to the circuit as above, but I did drive it as shown.

According to the following link, that extension was abandoned when the Autoroute was constructed, with a new series of curves installed slightly further north than the original Chemin de l'Etoile straight:

http://www.gdecarli....var1=309&var2=2



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Posted 21 May 2017 - 10:07

I have no doubt Little Chris will be along soon to clarify the Rouen map, so I won't intervene.  And he will absolutely know.

 

But in the meantime, Herman Liesmeijer's  "Circuits of the Past" website initiative continues its way forward. An email earlier today, following his visits to Germany, suggest a number of Austrian, French and Italian journeys are scheduled and a YouTube channel could also be on the horizon.

 

I love all this, except I wish I could have seen all of these circuits in period. :cry:



#87 Barry Boor

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 20:51

It was possible to climb over some small barriers and walk around part of the big sweeping bend just under the bridge but after a few yards I came upon a wire fence, the other side of which is the motorway.

Such a shame.

#88 ozpata

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 10:27

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#89 ozpata

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 12:37

tracks done so far and the date to find them at the blog   https://oscarplada.blogspot.com/ will be updating the first post so it will be easier

 

Albi 1950 (FRA):2016 apr    1933:2017 may  
Aix-les-Bains (FRA):2016 aug
Albany 1936-40 (AUS):2017 may
Amaroo (AUS):2016 aug
Applecross 1940 (AUS):2017 may
Ardmore (NZL):2015 nov
Bari 1950 (ITA):2016 mar
Blandford (GBR):2016 oct
Bois de Boulogne 1951 (FRA):2017 may
Bordeaux 1951 (FRA):2017 apr
Bremgarten 1950 (SUI):2016 feb
Bridgehampton 1949-53 (USA):2017 apr
Brno Masaryk 1930-37 (CZE):2017 apr       1947-63:2017 may
Cadours (FRA):2017 jan
Chimay (BEL):2016 oct
Dessau (GER):2017 feb
Douglas (GBR):2016 mar  
Dresden 1951-54 (GER):2017 may
Dundrod (GBR):2016 may
Elkhart Lake 1950 (USA):2017 mar
Erlen 1950 (SUI):2016 jun
Garda (ITA):2017 feb
Geneva 1950 (SUI):2016 apr
Genoa 1951 (ITA):2017 apr
Goodwood 1948-51 (GBR):2017 may
Grenzlandring (GER):2017 jan
Halle (GER):2016 nov
Hockenheim 1938-63 (GER):2016 sep
Jersey St Helier 1950(GBR):2016 mar
Lakeside (AUS):2016 feb
Le Mans 1932-67 (FRA):2017 jan
Leipzig (GER):2016 nov
Lesparre-Medoc (FRA):2016 sep
Levin (NZL):2015 oct
Linas-Montlhery (FRA):2015 nov
Longford (AUS):2015 aug         
Marseille Parc Borely 1949 (FRA):2017 mar   1950:2017 apr   1951-52:2017 mar
Mettet (BEL):2017 jan
Modena 1950 (ITA):2016 jul
Monaco 1950 (MON):2016 jan
Mons 1950 (BEL):2016 aug
Monza (ITA):2016 sep
Naples (ITA):2016 nov
Nice 1932-35 (FRA):2017 may   Nice 1946-47 (FRA):2017 may
Nurburgring  Nordschleife (GER):2016 dec   Sudschleife:2016 dec
Ospedaletti (ITA):2015 oct
Pau (FRA):2017 apr  1930:2017 mar  1933:2017 mar
Parc Barbieux 1950 (FRA):2016 jul
Pebble Beach 1950 (USA):2017  mar 1951:2017 may
Pedralbes 1950 (ESP):2016 jul
Perigueux (FRA):2017 feb
Pescara (ITA):2016 jun
Pukekohe 1963 (NZL):2015 dec
Reims 1950 (FRA):2016 feb
Remparts 1950 (FRA):2016 oct
Rouen 1951-54 (FRA):2017 may
Sachsenring (GER):2016 dec
Silverstone 1948 (GBR):2017 mar    1949-51 (GBR):2015 jul
Solitude (GER):2016 nov
Spa-Francorchamps 1950 (BEL):2016 feb
Syracuse 1951 (ITA):2017 mar
Terme di Caracalla 1950 (ITA):2016 oct
Watkins Glen 1948-52 (USA):2017 jan
Wigram 1949 (NZL):2016 sep
Zandvoort (NED):2016 apr



#90 ozpata

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 20:41

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#91 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 21:22

Quite a circuit...

Even though you can't drive quite all of it today, well worth visiting. You can, of course, still drive the shorter version. It uses the top part and links across the road shown to the north of the lake.

#92 Michael Ferner

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 10:11

Where is Road America located on that map?

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 10:31

Where is Road America located on that map?

I'm not sure if it is; I believe it would be bottom right-hand corner, but perhaps mostly off the page.

#94 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 12:19

Google Earth shows it thus:

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#95 Michael Ferner

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 13:32

Thanks :up:

#96 cpbell

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 14:01

Quite a circuit...

Even though you can't drive quite all of it today, well worth visiting. You can, of course, still drive the shorter version. It uses the top part and links across the road shown to the north of the lake.

From the map, and given the lap length, some of those sections must have been seriously rapid, in particular the left-hander on the western shore of the lake.



#97 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 15:02

Seriously rapid, and not just there...

This is the approach to the right-hander in the East-West link across the South of the circuit:

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Long straights up the Western side, and as you say, some fast curves...

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But there are more fast curves, many more... this is heading back along the North-Eastern part:

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And this is the part you can't drive any more, on the Eastern edge of the lake:

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#98 rts

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 02:28

I am really loving these maps! Few questions:

 

1. For Silverstone, I see you have the 1950-1951 layout. Will you also end up doing the 1949 version, where they had a straw bale chicane at the Club corner? Or also the 1948 layout where they used the airfield?

2. On similar note to above, it would also be cool to see the Monza layout from 1949-54 where they had the longer straights and the two 90 degree corners instead of Parabolica. (Vedano circuit I think?)

 

I agree that this would make a great book.



#99 ozpata

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 10:09

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#100 GeoffR

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 11:14

Probably OT for this thread but I have a couple of in car videos of recently driving what can still be driven of the Charade road circuit and also the old Spa-Francorchamps circuit (Masta straight etc). However the format they are in doesn't seem to be liked by Photobucket!!


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