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[gold333]

This is INSANE

I didn't think it was possible but you CAN watch F1 in 3D. Here's how:

Usually I use a 3D projector for lifesize Nvidia 3D Vision wallgaming and 3D movies in my man cave.

But I found out that we can use something like PowerDVD 16 to upscale recorded content from 2D to 3D. Even content not shot in native 3D.

Because F1 footage is geometrically very simple it works amazingly well! The interaxial and convergence you can adjust so that it has lifelike depth on your screen size. The shots below were before I found out you can set it even higher.

Toyification is amazing, the cars really look like hyper realistic little 1:18 scale cars going round in your room. Sky F1's on screen graphics also pop out close to you, infront of the cars like you can touch it.

The Ultra HD resolution this year also helps to sharpen up the 3D nicely.

These images won't mean much without glasses but it shows the essence. The confetti shot at the end really looks like you're there in it. The barstool is for scale. I'm looking around to install Atmos next so that the sound will also be realistic.

But for anyone wondering if watching F1 in 3D is possible, it sure is. Every race has become like a popcorn and beer film premiere for all my F1 mates. I've now hired someone to see if I can convert a livestream Sky feed to 3D as well. Fingers crossed.

[pdac]

If that's what floats your boat.

[OO7]

This is INSANE

I didn't think it was possible but you CAN watch F1 in 3D. Here's how:

Usually I use a 3D projector for lifesize Nvidia 3D Vision wallgaming and 3D movies in my man cave.

But I found out that we can use something like PowerDVD 16 to upscale recorded content from 2D to 3D. Even content not shot in native 3D.

Because F1 footage is geometrically very simple it works amazingly well! The interaxial and convergence you can adjust so that it has lifelike depth on your screen size. The shots below were before I found out you can set it even higher.

Toyification is amazing, the cars really look like hyper realistic little 1:18 scale cars going round in your room. Sky F1's on screen graphics also pop out close to you, infront of the cars like you can touch it.

The Ultra HD resolution this year also helps to sharpen up the 3D nicely.

These images won't mean much without glasses but it shows the essence. The confetti shot at the end really looks like you're there in it. The barstool is for scale. I'm looking around to install Atmos next so that the sound will also be realistic.

But for anyone wondering if watching F1 in 3D is possible, it sure is. Every race has become like a popcorn and beer film premiere for all my F1 mates. I've now hired someone to see if I can convert a livestream Sky feed to 3D as well. Fingers crossed.

I'll see you on the April 9th mate!  BTW I accidentally deleted your address, so please PM it to me again mate.  Cheers mate!   

[Clatter]

I think this has been posted a few days early.

[917k]

too many pints...

[Laura23]

How to watch F1 in 3D:

 

Go to a race and sit in a grandstand.

[RedBaron]

Question for anyone here that owns a 3D TV, do you know where your 3D glasses are that came with the TV?

 

I mean after that first time you used them and realised it was ****, what did you do with the 3D glasses?

 

Yeh, same. No idea.

 

gold333, well done on achieving 3D Formula 1, if you enjoy it then super.

 

However 3D TV is garbage.

[jonpollak]

Poor guy .. Comes on here to share his joy and is met with the usual Autosport negativity...What a black cloud you people are.

[RedBaron]

Poor guy .. Comes on here to share his joy and is met with the usual Autosport negativity...What a black cloud you people are.

 

Well, he didn't even invite us to his 3D F1 popcorn viewing party, rude!

[johnmhinds]

Isn't feeling like you're there a little odd when the camera is floating up above the car?

[Graveltrappen]

A lot of that went right over my head.... however, I'm impressed at the tv/projector size... and the fact you've got a man-cave.

[Collombin]

Is there more overtaking in 3D?

[Kristian]

This might be a stupid question, but how can 3D be obtained when a picture has not been created using two points of view? Genuine question, not bashing OP. 

[YoungGun]

Refer to a short youtube video on CyberLink's PowerDVD - TrueTheater 3D: Converting 2D to 3D.

[RedBaron]

This might be a stupid question, but how can 3D be obtained when a picture has not been created using two points of view? Genuine question, not bashing OP. 

 

It's not 3D like you'd get at the IMAX in London or a movie made for 3D. 

 

It's quite a poor experience, not a dig, but reality. Incredibly underwhelming.

 

3D TV or TV converted to 3D is basically like a pop-up book. You don't get the you reach out and grab it sensation.

 

In 2017 it's generally considered that 3D TV is dead. Samsung, LG and Sony will no longer support 3D in their new TVs, not even high end models.

 

[Kristian]

It's not 3D like you'd get at the IMAX in London or a movie made for 3D. 

 

It's quite a poor experience, not a dig, but reality. Incredibly underwhelming.

 

3D TV or TV converted to 3D is basically like a pop-up book. You don't get the you reach out and grab it sensation.

 

In 2017 it's generally considered that 3D TV is dead. Samsung, LG and Sony will no longer support 3D in their new TVs, not even high end models.

 

Ah OK. 

 

I've never seen the fad for 3D, its just too distracting. I went to see Avatar in 3D in 2009, while it was an interesting experience, it took me 20mins to fully adjust, and I've watched it since in 2D and not felt I was missing anything. 

 

I think the film industry persists because they can put a whacking great markup on it, but for home viewing, what is the point of 3D if you're not immersed in it? I found Sky Sports' attempt at 3D football laughable. 

[RedBaron]

I think the film industry persists because they can put a whacking great markup on it, but for home viewing, what is the point of 3D if you're not immersed in it?

 

Yeh agreed. It's £2-£3 more for 3D movies isn't it?

 

Again, well done to gold333 for the set up. Especially the big projector that's impressive, but I guarantee the initial novelty of 3D F1 will wear off and you won't be watching in 3D come the end of the season. 

 

What's more impressive is that you have a gathering of friends that actually like F1.

[MikeV1987]

Ignore the detractors, that looks like a kick ass man cave.

[highdownforce]

3D TV's are gimmicks as post-processed 3D effect is, ok, we all get it.

 

But this a very interesting application indeed, as @gold333 remarked.

The content itself is very angular and defined so upscaling to 3D has better results than regular movies.

 

He says (yes, I'm assuming his gender) that toyification is happening so for those that like "things poping out of the screen" this will be interesting but personally I think that it's the onboards that could bring better results.

This method could really increase the sense of speed. Those NASCAR-like fixed cameras with cars passing by should also bring good results.

 

Nice project @gold333 

[Archer]

3D only?, I don't want to see static images, at least 4D.

[HairyScalextrix]

Is there more overtaking in 3D?

No, just more vomit.

[markelov74]

Poor guy .. Comes on here to share his joy and is met with the usual Autosport negativity...What a black cloud you people are.

 

Agree. Can't people be nice on these forums?

[Tsarwash]

3D TV or games are great. I just never thought that enough of the population would toss their recently purchased existing sets away and buy into it considering the cost. I had a 3DS and it was great fun for a few months.

[superden]

When you get 3D TV that functions in the same way as a 3DS (i.e. without the need for glasses or worn equipment) you might get a larger number of people to buy into 3D. Maybe this already exists, I don't know as I don't have any interest in 3D games or TV. Even then though, it's a niche market, just as it always had been.

[gold333]

Thanks for the replies. I've actually had this projector for a while to play 3D games on and watch 3D movies. With games, esp 3rd person games (Assassin's Creed, etc) its awesome to see the character lifesize and in 3D. Looks like somesort of huge, real moving action figure lol. You look up at a church tower or whatever and it looks like your outside looking at a church tower thinking there's no way I'm climbing that high.

I only recently discovered that you can upscale 2D content not shot in 3D to 3D. Hence I tried it with F1 footage and it works. What's especially cool is the onboards. I ride a GSXR1000 and watching F1 onboards on Sky it never gave that feeling of tunnelvision you get above 120mph in real life. Upscaled to 3D it approaches real life a lot more onboard.

Yeah, obviously sitting trackside is the best experience, but then again you're stuck to your seat and your viewing angle. For the whole event, no onboards no action shots. So 3D projection I think is the closest we have now, (or even surpasses in it in terms of experience).

I want to experiment with the HTC vive or similar headset though. Alas there's no way to view video content in VR yet. Which is strange as even 15 years ago they had those prototype iPIX movies cameras. The video camera that shot through two 180 fish eye lenses back to back, captured 360 degrees which ever spot you recorded in. F1 should just dig those up and improve them and shoot F1 in 360, get a VR headset and presto you're in there. Heck add interaxial convergence between both eyeviews and you've got VR with lifelike 3D depth.

Listening Liberty media?? dig up those iPIX movies cameras from 2001/2002 and give us enthousiasts a couple of 360 streams to VR.

Edited by gold333, 30 March 2017 - 01:49.

[highdownforce]

Thanks for the replies. I've actually had this projector for a while to play 3D games on and watch 3D movies. With games, esp 3rd person games (Assassin's Creed, etc) its awesome to see the character lifesize and in 3D. Looks like somesort of huge, real moving action figure lol. You look up at a church tower or whatever and it looks like your outside looking at a church tower thinking there's no way I'm climbing that high.

I only recently discovered that you can upscale 2D content not shot in 3D to 3D. Hence I tried it with F1 footage and it works. What's especially cool is the onboards. I ride a GSXR1000 and watching F1 onboards on Sky it never gave that feeling of tunnelvision you get above 120mph in real life. Upscaled to 3D it approaches real life a lot more onboard.

Yeah, obviously sitting trackside is the best experience, but then again you're stuck to your seat and your viewing angle. For the whole event, no onboards no action shots. So 3D projection I think is the closest we have now, (or even surpasses in it in terms of experience).

I want to experiment with the HTC vive or similar headset though. Alas there's no way to view video content in VR yet. Which is strange as even 15 years ago they had those prototype iPIX movies cameras. The video camera that shot through two 180 fish eye lenses back to back, captured 360 degrees which ever spot you recorded in. F1 should just dig those up and improve them and shoot F1 in 360, get a VR headset and presto you're in there. Heck add interaxial convergence between both eyeviews and you've got VR with lifelike 3D depth.

Listening Liberty media?? dig up those iPIX movies cameras from 2001/2002 and give us enthousiasts a couple of 360 streams to VR.

 

IIRC, there are some FE videos in 360 on its Youtube page.

Worth trying it on a cheap smartphone-adapter headset first (and no need for something like a Samsung Gear VR, you'll find more affordable alternatives on eBay).

[RedBaron]

Listening Liberty media?? dig up those iPIX movies cameras from 2001/2002 and give us enthousiasts a couple of 360 streams to VR.

 

This is would be a very exciting way to watch Formula 1 especially onboard and much more immersive.

 

Static 360 track side cameras as well as onboards would be fantastic too, that would be like being at the GP.

[Szoelloe]

Movies 3D is a thing, but 3D television is dead for the next decade or so

[ExFlagMan]

Is there more overtaking in 3D?

Turn your head too quickly and one part of the image will overtake the other.

[GhostR]

IIRC, there are some FE videos in 360 on its Youtube page.

Worth trying it on a cheap smartphone-adapter headset first (and no need for something like a Samsung Gear VR, you'll find more affordable alternatives on eBay).

 

Those headsets that are cheaper than a Gear VR are all sub-par to the Gear VR on one key aspect: the Gear VR was co-developed with Oculus, and includes it's own hardware and thus is not 100% reliant on the processing power of the mobile phone (although the mobile is providing the battery power). If you own a Samsung mobile then the Gear VR is without a doubt the best value-for-money option if you're intending to do any gaming. If all you want to do is watch 3D or VR video, then sure go for one of the cheaper options (you won't see the benefit of the additional hardware and Oculus software). But then, if you're going for "just as a test run" then cheapest option would be a Google Cardboard / Daydream headset, which you'll be happy to throw away afterwards and replace with a higher end device (Gear VR if you're already a Samsung owner, cheaper alternative if not).

 

Suspect there's probably plenty of barely used second hand Gear VR devices on eBay as well, at good prices, given that a whole lot of them were given away free as a pre-order bonus for the Galaxy S7 last year.

[GhostR]

Listening Liberty media?? dig up those iPIX movies cameras from 2001/2002 and give us enthousiasts a couple of 360 streams to VR.

 

Forget the old cameras. Just invest in the new technology, and stick some 360 cameras on the roll hoop of all the cars and make the feeds available via VR headsets - and allow us to choose which car we want to view from. Now that might actually tempt me to pay for the official F1 app, and get my Gear VR out of storage.

[highdownforce]

Those headsets that are cheaper than a Gear VR are all sub-par to the Gear VR on one key aspect: the Gear VR was co-developed with Oculus, and includes it's own hardware and thus is not 100% reliant on the processing power of the mobile phone (although the mobile is providing the battery power). If you own a Samsung mobile then the Gear VR is without a doubt the best value-for-money option if you're intending to do any gaming. If all you want to do is watch 3D or VR video, then sure go for one of the cheaper options (you won't see the benefit of the additional hardware and Oculus software). But then, if you're going for "just as a test run" then cheapest option would be a Google Cardboard / Daydream headset, which you'll be happy to throw away afterwards and replace with a higher end device (Gear VR if you're already a Samsung owner, cheaper alternative if not).

 

Suspect there's probably plenty of barely used second hand Gear VR devices on eBay as well, at good prices, given that a whole lot of them were given away free as a pre-order bonus for the Galaxy S7 last year.

 

I don't and I don't know if he owns one. I was talking about one of those Google cardboard clones that are dirty cheap.

 

However, I would advise against Gear VR and Oculus anyway.

If your budget is restricted, Gear VR will be superfluous and you better keep that money.

If you are in for a good headset, has the PC powerhouse for it, plan to play VR games and has the money: go for HTC Vive.

Edited by highdownforce, 30 March 2017 - 18:42.

[highdownforce]

Listening Liberty media?? dig up those iPIX movies cameras from 2001/2002 and give us enthousiasts a couple of 360 streams to VR.

 

Funny thing: here I was, dismissing Samsung and I've just stumbled upon the last iteration of its palm-of-your-hand-360-camera-that-kinda-of-streams-VR-in-4K.

Surely there are much more robust solutions in the market but the technology is there.

We don't have something like the service you described available because of... reasons.

 

And no need to dust those iPIX's.

Edited by highdownforce, 31 March 2017 - 02:45.

[scolbourne]

Movies 3D is a thing, but 3D television is dead for the next decade or so

 

You are probably right but it is a shame. David Attenboroughs wildlife films and Dr Who showed that it can be very impressive.

I have not tried converting 2D F1 races to 3D but will give it a go next race. I dont think it something I would try for more than a few minutes but I agree it is the sort of program that should convert fairly well.

Most programs and films that work best in 3D have shots that are designed to highlight the effect (Avatar for instance) where objects appear to come right out of the screen to within a few inches of the viewer.

[GhostR]

I don't and I don't know if he owns one. I was talking about one of those Google cardboard clones that are dirty cheap.

 

However, I would advise against Gear VR and Oculus anyway.

If your budget is restricted, Gear VR will be superfluous and you better keep that money.

If you are in for a good headset, has the PC powerhouse for it, plan to play VR games and has the money: go for HTC Vive.

 

The world isn't quite as black-and-white as "can afford full-on VR" vs "can't afford anything more than Google Cardboard". Gear VR headsets sit at a price point, and quality point, that means it's a decent option for those who already own Samsung (or intend to with their next mobile upgrade). Samsung's got their foot in the door in every aspect of VR, which makes it a great opportunity for the hobbyist who can't / won't lay down the cash on a Rift or Vive.

 

I own both, I know what I'm talking about here: Google Cardboard doesn't even come close to matching Gear VR. A quick check shows that Gear VR can be bought for under £50 on Ebay (for a new one), so they aren't that expensive. If you have a Samsung mobile (or intend to get one). I wouldn't advise going out and buying a Gear VR and a Samsung S7 (or s* once they are available) if you're doing it purely for the VR. In that instance, I'd definitely say save your money or invest in a Rift or Vive.

[cheekybru]

Thanks for the insight guys very helpful to those of us with virtually no 3d / vr experience