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#201 HairyScalextrix

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 18:26

Thinking about the effect this must have on Pasma also...

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#202 f1paul

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 18:28

Awful, awful news.

 

I really feel for him and what his family are going through. It was just a wrong place wrong time moment and sadly Billy has had severe consequences. My thoughts go out to him, his friends and his family.

 

I hope he can do something similar to Alex Zinardi and can be doing the thing he loves most in the near future which is racing.

 

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#203 coppilcus

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 18:29

Quite possibly the bones in his feet/lower legs were so badly broken that amputation was the only option? He may not have suffered any major blood loss.

How long did it take to extract Zanardi?


Totally different accident mechanics...

#204 stewie

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 18:29

I'm so sorry to hear this news about Billy, I hope he can dig deep and find inspiration to make life the best it can be for him.



#205 David Lightman

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 18:35

He'll certainly have a very different life from now on, but at least he has a life at all, which is a miracle really when you see the crash.



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 18:40

Autosport article saying that he's been put in an induced coma.
http://classic.autos...t.php/id/129070

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 18:45

Apologies if it has come out somewhere in this thread.  Why in God's name was that car sitting stationary on the racing surface?



#208 ArchieTech

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 18:45

That's so sad to hear, although obviously good that he's alive. But such a tough situation for a racer, particularly one that's 17 years old... incredibly unfortunate.

I hope in time he can draw some inspiration from Alex Zanardi:


Indeed how amazing would it be if in a few years he was driving a touring car in the BTCC with the kind of controls Alex is using there. (Incidentally that BBC documentary is worth a watch at pretty much any time, he's incredible...)

Wishing Billy the fullest recovery it's possible to have in the circumstances.



#209 HairyScalextrix

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 18:50

Apologies if it has come out somewhere in this thread. Why in God's name was that car sitting stationary on the racing surface?


He'd spun and it rolled into that position.

#210 LeClerc

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 18:51

He survived, and that is the only thing important right now.



#211 Wes350

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 18:52

Dreadful. My heart goes out to the young man.

Hopefully we are able to learn from this and prevent it in the future.

 

 

After thinking for a bit - as much as I wish there was something, I'm not sure there is much of anything to take away.

 

 

This is not like Bianchi in Japan where we can look at the circumstances of the accident and see a chain of preventable events that led to his horrific crash. (100% preventable IMHO.)

 

Young Mr. Monger just seems to be the victim of odd circumstances that can all too easily occur in motorsport.

 

The only thing that really comes to mind is that he did not see the car due to the nature of the corner. Maybe, if similar events like this have happened before they might look into changing the entry or flow of the corner on the circuit itself.

 

But even then there are no guarantees.

 

 

Now I'm about to express myself imperfectly:

 

Honestly I think that  in the past several years there seems to be a cultural trend in the West to "guarantee safety" - that has filtered down to motorsports.

 

There seems to be some sort of growing unwillingness to accept the fact that: "Motorsport is Dangerous".

 

It seems that people don't mind the appearance of danger, but when someone actually gets gravely injured or killed there seems to be a big push that something should/could have been done to prevent it all.

 

Not that safety isn't important - I believe it is.

 

But I also believe that there is space for Drivers to do their own risk-assessments and decide for themselves if the varying levels of danger involved in racing; be it Sports cars, motorcycles, or open-wheel/open-cockpit racing are acceptable to them.

 

What happened to Monger is tragic, he and his family have my sympathies.

 

But the potential for such an event was also part and parcel of the life/sport he chose to pursue.

 

 

 

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Edited by Wes350, 19 April 2017 - 18:54.


#212 LeClerc

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 19:04

Not so long ago, such an accident would have claimed at least one life. We have come a long way, but moving at high speed always carry a danger, but also great exhilaration. So some people weigh it up, and take their chances.

 

Honestly, I think a higher percentage of people get killed/injured playing ball-sports than in motorsports. Even angling is probably more dangerous.



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 19:09

Over £125,000 raised already for the young lad. The motorsport community really knows how to support its own.



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 19:14

I feared something like this when I saw it and then no immediate news after being airlifted to hospital. Especially with the time taken to extract him from the car. All the very best to this young man. Long road ahead but it could have been worse. I will visit the fundraising site too. Good luck Billy

#215 doc83

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 19:30

Over £125,000 raised already for the young lad. The motorsport community really knows how to support its own.


And of course 5 % goes straight into organizner's (justgiving.com) pockets. It's really sick how all the internet charities became money making machines for their owners. SICK!

#216 PayasYouRace

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 19:50

You'd be hard pressed to find any organised charity that doesn't take some percentage to cover its own costs.

#217 HairyScalextrix

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 19:54

I'd rather they take a cut compared to people not having an easy medium to make a donation...

#218 RekF1

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 19:57

So sad to hear this. He's just a kid ffs, but anyone who can move on or reorganise their self after something like this happens to them will be a much stronger person for it. I hope he and his family dig deep for some new found strength to rebuild their lives.

#219 Neno

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 19:59

So young, damn. Losing both his legs. Breaks my heart. 



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#220 Henri Greuter

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 19:59

Poor lad....

Best wishes for his recovery and his future.

 

Then...

What worries me a bit is that ever so often you read outcries over here for F1 cars to become lighter cars.

After a crash like this I once again am remembered why I don't want F1 cars to become featherweights like in the past anymore.

I know, there is a limit to what a monocoque, but most of all the human body put within it can endure and cope with once involved in a crash.

And I know that there is anything but a guarantee that within a monocoque of F1 quality for crashworthyness etc. nothing as severe as this had happened.

But still, the heavier and more sturdy a monocoque, the better chance for a driver up till a certain speed and certain G forces involved...

 

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 20:01

Henri, lighter cars carry less energy in an impact. There's sound reasoning outside of performance to want the car as light as possible. Obviously the safety cell shouldn't be compromised, but just making it heavier isn't automatically making it safer.

#222 Mat13

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 20:14

If I'd known the outcome, I wouldn't have watched the video at the start of the thread.
I don't know if any other Dads on here are the same, but ever since I had children I find myself far more troubled by children suffering than I used to; I don't want to imagine how his parents feel at the moment. I'll wait for payday, and I'll certainly be contributing. Poor little bugger.

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 20:14

It's very sad to hear he has suffered the loss of his legs at such a young age. :cry:

 

Wishing the best for his recovery.



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 20:18

Henri, lighter cars carry less energy in an impact. There's sound reasoning outside of performance to want the car as light as possible. Obviously the safety cell shouldn't be compromised, but just making it heavier isn't automatically making it safer.

 

I know. I don't ask for the cars to become NASCAR-like Tanks.

But a more heavy car also has a bit more mass to shed within the impact and thus take off energy from the wreck.

 

But reducing the minimum weight to challenging limits and as a result we see safety being compromised because of lighter constructions (Lotus was good in that in the heydays) isn't wat we want either I suppose.

 

Henri



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 20:28

I wish Billy and his family all the best. Reading this thread made me want to watch a few YouTube clips of Alex Zanardi. It's amazing what he has achieved since his terrible accident. His positivity is truly inspirational, not just for disabled people but for everybody. I hope Billy knows who Zanardi is and can take inspiration from him.

One of my favourite videos is of Alex Brooker paying tribute to Alex Zanardi on the last leg.

https://youtu.be/DAXBOcv6AS4

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 20:32

I know. I don't ask for the cars to become NASCAR-like Tanks.

But a more heavy car also has a bit more mass to shed within the impact and thus take off energy from the wreck.

 

But reducing the minimum weight to challenging limits and as a result we see safety being compromised because of lighter constructions (Lotus was good in that in the heydays) isn't wat we want either I suppose.

 

Henri

 

Not really sure now is the right time to be having this discussion, to be honest. It was such a hell of an impact I doubt he would have avoided injury in any type of Formula car.



#227 jimjimjeroo

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 20:33

You'd be hard pressed to find any organised charity that doesn't take some percentage to cover its own costs.


Virgin doesn't take a percentage

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 20:33

Over £125,000 raised already for the young lad. The motorsport community really knows how to support its own.

Now just passed £210,000. In only six hours. Average donation nearly £50.



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 20:39

Now just passed £210,000. In only six hours. Average donation nearly £50.

There has been some huge donations as well, I saw a 26k one. That's slightly insane! (In a good way)



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 20:47

Now just passed £210,000. In only six hours. Average donation nearly £50.

 

Incredible. Been very impressive to see all manner of racing drivers, from all different series, promoting it on social media.



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 20:55

Pretty surreal to see the litany of names on the donations list.  I see that Jenson Button has just donated £15,000, for example.



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 20:55

Absolutely awful, it was one of the most sickening crashes I've seen and it's really sad that someone so young is having to go through this.

As others have said, the main thing is that he's still with us, many in the past wouldn't have survived it. I hope one day he finds the strength to race again and he can take a lot of inspiration from drivers like Alex Zanardi. I hope he gets a visit from him.

Ive noticed on twitter a lot of big name drivers and commentators have shared and are contributing to his just giving page, so hopefully he'll get plenty from that to get him fixed and back up walking again eventually.

All the best, Billy

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 20:57

Gutted to read this news this evening but as said, he is also lucky to be alive. A few short years ago that would have been an unsurvivable impact. That poor girl from The Smiler crash could also probably help Billy with his recovery and Zanardi is an inspiration.



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 20:59

Jesus christ. I saw this thread and looked the kid up. He's so young. I hope that his youth is a positive, in a way, because he can hopefully adapt to a full life with as much normalcy as prosthetics will allow. Zanardi is obviously the gold standard for living well after traumatic injuries.



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:05

:up:

 

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https://www.justgivi...g/billymonger23


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:09

Great to see the community come together in support for him, I look forward to seeing that page exceed its next target as well ...


Edited by ArchieTech, 19 April 2017 - 21:10.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:11

Pretty surreal to see the litany of names on the donations list. I see that Jenson Button has just donated £15,000, for example.


While that is wonderful and good on Jense for helping this poor lad, £750 of his donation won't ever make it to Billy as that's the 'fee' for processing. He'd have been better sticking a cheque in the mail.

#238 LeClerc

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:11

Button put in 15K. Top man.



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:11

That's a hugely successful fundraising campaign. Great to see the community come together for someone so young.

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:11

Reaching £260,000 in a few hours is a real demonstration of the strength of the motorsport community. :up:

 

 

As I type, it's at £268,638, and it'll be a little higher still once I get my debit card out. 



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:12

While that is wonderful and good on Jense for helping this poor lad, £750 of his donation won't ever make it to Billy as that's the 'fee' for processing. He'd have been better sticking a cheque in the mail.

 

Honestly?



#242 Fisico54

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:15

Amazing how many people can put a negative slant on people coming together and raising over 260k in less than a day for this young lad

Edited by Fisico54, 19 April 2017 - 21:16.


#243 Graveltrappen

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:18

Honestly?


Yeah. 5% of this 270,000 (13,500) will go to the buisness that runs the justgiving website. They make a fortune out of people's drive to help people out.

#244 Marklar

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:20

Yeah. 5% of this 270,000 (13,500) will go to the buisness that runs the justgiving website. They make a fortune out of people's drive to help people out.

Because obviously it costs them absolutely nothing to provide this service.



#245 Myrvold

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:21

Yeah. 5% of this 270,000 (13,500) will go to the buisness that runs the justgiving website. They make a fortune out of people's drive to help people out.

 

Ye, it takes some money to host, fix etc. Also, people rarely starts up businesses to not get a salary out of it. I don't see the issue.



#246 Spillage

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:27

Terrible news. I wish him all the best for the future.



#247 TomNokoe

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:30

We wouldn't have raised nowhere near the amount without an accessible and user-friendly platform on which to facilitate the donations.

Raising £300,000 in under half a day is not only testament to the community, but to the technical ability to have it all raised digitally.

I hope the funds do not slow despite passing the target. Next stop is surely 7 figures, come on Billy. :up:

#248 Vitesse2

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:35

Yeah. 5% of this 270,000 (13,500) will go to the buisness that runs the justgiving website. They make a fortune out of people's drive to help people out.

A figure which pales into insignificance when compared to the fees charged by companies which employ chuggers.



#249 David Lightman

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:39

Could the whining about a companies business model be taken elsewhere perhaps?



#250 Pete_f1

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 21:41

As an aside, what (if any) insurance would pay out? Would the BARC have insurance for such a thing or would it be down to the individual?