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[f1paul]

We had an exciting qualifying session with the guy who has 1 emotion taking pole. His first since France 2008 (I'm sure most of you knew that already). Championship leader, Seb Vettel took second with Bottas taking third. The biggest surprise has to be Lewis Hamilton who had balance problems and could only qualify 14th. Red Bull were a little disappointing and they'll probably be in for a season that won't match there expectations.

 

 

Alright I'll stop with the review and get on with the nonsense. 

 

This is the championship standing which will probably look a little different unless Hamilton can do something miraculous

 

 

 

 

 

 

Qualy results

 

Qualifying Three

1. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 1:12.178
2. Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, +0.043
3. Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes, +0.045
4. Max Verstappen, Red Bull, +0.318
5. Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull, +0.820
6. Carlos Sainz, Toro Rosso, +0.984
7. Sergio Perez, Force India, +1.151
8. Romain Grosjean, Haas, +1.171
9. Jenson Button, McLaren, +1.435 *
10. Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren, no time set *

 

Knocked out in Q2
11. Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso, 1:13.516
12. Nico Hulkenberg, Renault, 1:13.628
13. Kevin Magnussen, Haas, 1:13.959
14. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1:14.106
15. Felipe Massa, Williams, 1:20.529

 

Knocked out in Q3
16. Esteban Ocon, Force India, 1:14.101
17. Jolyon Palmer, Renault, 1:14.696
18. Lance Stroll, Williams, 1:14.893
19. Pascal Wehrlein, Sauber, 1:15.159
20. Marcus Ericsson, Sauber, 1:15.276

 

* Both McLarens will receive grid penalties, with Vandoorne to be demoted three places due to his crash at the Spanish GP and Button 15 as a result of engine penalties.

 

Now since Kimi has taken pole at Monaco, I'm gonna pay a tribute to him. Take a deep breath and enjoy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since they locked out the front row......

 

 

Listen to that amazing noise (my goodness these engines are good)   

 

 

This thumbnail should make you look at Ted   

 

 

 

Okay that's enough videos

 

Best strategy is a 1 stopper but.........

• We may see some guys pitting early if they're near the back
• Some guys try to go for an undercut if they're stuck in traffic
• Drivers going long because the US tyre is the best
• Drivers waiting for a VSC so they can pit under it and gain 10 seconds compared to green flag conditions
• None of the above and yeah I've ran out of things to say about strategy

Anyway, it's not just this there's the Fernando 500 so even if this race is boring, a couple of hours later, a small race in America with a certain Spaniard in it will certainly wake you up. There's NASCAR, RX and the conclusion of the 24 hours around the Nordschleife as well. It's gonna be epic and it's just a sleep away!

 

Edited by f1paul, 28 May 2017 - 10:13.

[jonpollak]

Who's been looking at Indycar threads?

 

anyway..Question Time.

Who was the last American born driver to win a Grand Prix?

 

Jp

Edited by jonpollak, 27 May 2017 - 21:01.

[f1paul]

I'm off out so I hope the OP is to this forum's super high standards, I'll catch you guys tomorrow because I don't think I'll be back for quite a while. 

[LeClerc]

Best thread ever!

 

I feel that Ocon will carry the day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Back to his hotel early in the race, that is.

[RECKLESS]

Bwoah!

[jonpollak]

Best thread ever!

 

 

 

DaFuq?

Jp

[LeClerc]

DaFuq?

Jp

 

You made me do it. Shame on you, Pollak.

[TomNokoe]

Verstappen is a dark horse.

Hamilton DNF.

[scheivlak]

Who's been looking at Indycar threads?

 

anyway..Question Time.

Who was the last American born driver to win a Grand Prix?

 

 

 

Like the Indy Grand Prix of Alabama?

[KWSN - DSM]

Who's been looking at Indycar threads?

 

anyway..Question Time.

Who was the last American born driver to win a Grand Prix?

 

Jp

 

Pete Revson Canada 1973 I think.

 

[LeClerc]

We have a winner! Close thread!

[JHSingo]

Kimi is Hamilton's best friend tomorrow. Wonder if Ferrari will consider switching them to get maximum championship advantage if Lewis struggles to make progress? A repeat of Hockenheim 2010 on the cards, perhaps?

[Rob Miller]

The great thing about this circuit that is different from others is the scary, roller coaster like sensation during the in-car television shots.

[DutchQuicksilver]

Kimi is Hamilton's best friend tomorrow. Wonder if Ferrari will consider switching them to get maximum championship advantage if Lewis struggles to make progress? A repeat of Hockenheim 2010 on the cards, perhaps?

Except Kimi is no Massa.

[ArrowsLivery]

Hopefully we can get a perfectly timed safety car to help out Lewy.

[RPM40]

Hamilton would surely be best off starting on the harder compound, pitting to the US basically straight away and stretching that to the end. Pirelli have already said one set of US can do the whole race.

[HeadFirst]

Kimi is Hamilton's best friend tomorrow. Wonder if Ferrari will consider switching them to get maximum championship advantage if Lewis struggles to make progress? A repeat of Hockenheim 2010 on the cards, perhaps?

 

As I said in another thread .... Kimi usually gets decent starts, but Seb is the best starter in F1 at the moment. I see Vettel taking the lead in corner 1, fair and square.

[RedBaron]

I worry as a fan of his about Hamilton making it to lap 2.

[Ricardo F1]

**** that, when does the Indycar start?  The only plus side of Lewis starting 12th is that Ferrari might let Kimi win.

Edited by Ricardo F1, 28 May 2017 - 04:30.

[AustinF1]

Hamilton would surely be best off starting on the harder compound, pitting to the US basically straight away and stretching that to the end. Pirelli have already said one set of US can do the whole race.

Probably, but I bet he'll have a lot of company in the pit lane when he does that.

[Dimocash]

You should look at the qualifying times. It seems like you have taken them from the sky sports website as they have Ricciardo's time wrong. He was half a second behind Verstappen.

[BRK]

Why is Ted Kravitz very self-consciously trying to avert his eyes from the billboard model? 

 

Kimi was great yesterday. Disappointed with Seb's result, though there's still a chance to win today's race.

 

Also - MONACO! 

[kosmos]

Really curious about the Ferrari's start and strategy today. Rooting for Sainz to get his first podium.

[RECKLESS]

Open letter to Ferrari:

 

Let the Wookie win!!

[Jovanotti]

As I said in another thread .... Kimi usually gets decent starts, but Seb is the best starter in F1 at the moment. I see Vettel taking the lead in corner 1, fair and square.

You need a very superior start to be able to overtake into T1 here, especially as the polesitter has the inside line by default. I'm not seeing this unless Räikkönen mucks up big time.

[Niceone]

Interesting to see how will Ferrari screw Räikkönen's strategy so Vettel could get ahead? Assuming Vettel doesn't get ahead on his own.

[jonpollak]

As I said in another thread

 

Don't get caught short today.... Stock up now. It's a long day.

[RPM40]

I suspect Ferrari will engineer a Vettel victory here somehow.

Arrivabene didn't look especially happy that Kimi got pole

[RedBaron]

Rooting for Sainz to get his first podium.

 

That would be fantastic, possible too with potential SC, who knows where he could end up being so close to the front.

[STRFerrari4Ever]

Really curious about the Ferrari's start and strategy today. Rooting for Sainz to get his first podium.

Likewise, I'd love to see Carlos get on the podium, he had a chance last year but STR messed up strategy like Force India did on Hulkenberg's side of the garage.

[Marklar]

I think we jinxed Sainz' chances now :/

[Radion]

Question, would it make sense for the top guys to run with the ultrasofts until two laps until the chequered flag and put ss on?

[Marklar]

Question, would it make sense for the top guys to run with the ultrasofts until two laps until the chequered flag and put ss on?

It could make sense if no SC happens and if nobody of those guys who pitted for US is closing down on them. The former is very unlikely

[RedBaron]

I think we jinxed Sainz' chances now :/

No problem

[johnmhinds]

When was the last time Monaco had a race without a safety car?

[Marklar]

When was the last time Monaco had a race without a safety car?

2009

[Nonesuch]

2009

 

Also the last Monaco race Kimi Räikkönen led, albeit for just one lap during the pitstop.

[apoka]

Question, would it make sense for the top guys to run with the ultrasofts until two laps until the chequered flag and put ss on?

 

Mathematically speaking, if the US is a bit faster than the SS and there is no deg whatsoever, it makes sense to pit on the last lap if you are certain that there won't be any SCs or other disrupting events. In reality, teams will look for the right pit windows from very early on and make sure that they get free air (if race pace is good), maintain track position (stay ahead of others with better race pace) or save time under SC. So most drivers will have used the pit stop as strategic weapon before they get to the last lap.

[SophieB]

Alan Baldwin on twitter:

McLaren say @JensonButton will be starting from the pit lane after changing the set-up on his car.

[jjcale]

Hamilton would surely be best off starting on the harder compound, pitting to the US basically straight away and stretching that to the end. Pirelli have already said one set of US can do the whole race.

 

I expect at least half the grid to try this ....

[Jovanotti]

Is the SS really that much slower? For what it's worth, Kimi's longrun on SS on Friday was almost on par (<0.1s) with Vettel's on US, both over 15 laps. No idea about fuel levels though.

Edited by Jovanotti, 28 May 2017 - 09:13.

[l2k2]

Is the SS really that much slower? For what it's worth, Kimi's longrun on SS on Friday was almost on par (<0.1s) with Vettel's on US, both over 15 laps. No idea about fuel levels though.

Does it even matter, those starting on US will have their faster tyres on until their pit stop (after which, they'll still emerge ahead), and after that, the US will not be so much faster that one could pass a car ahead with SS.

[Marklar]

Is the SS really that much slower? For what it's worth, Kimi's longrun on SS on Friday was almost on par (<0.1s) with Vettel's on US, both over 15 laps. No idea about fuel levels though.

It doesnt matter that much whether if it's slower, they are definitely much harder and hence more difficult to warm up, thus you will lose a lot of time when you are pitting compared to those who will switch to the US and be immediately up to speed. Obviously this depends from car to car, though.

[TomNokoe]

I'm hoping the high track temp induces a tiny tiny bit of deg, giving us some fun around the one and only pitstop.

[ckolcz]

I suspect Ferrari will engineer a Vettel victory here somehow.

Arrivabene didn't look especially happy that Kimi got pole

And what if he wins fair and square? I suspect a better start will go down as Ferrari sabotaging Kimi's clutch. Poor Seb, a lose-lose situation for him.

Edited by juliuscaesar, 28 May 2017 - 09:30.

[Marklar]

Pirelli and the teams are usually predicting the strategy and the tyre live expectancy wrong, so I wouldnt be that surprised if those who are pitting on lap 1 for US will regret it.

 

Edit: Oh, Hamilton says that "he has nothing to lose" and that he has "to take some big risks". I hope he knows that the stewards can penalize him for the next race.

Edited by Marklar, 28 May 2017 - 09:32.

[as65p]

Pirelli and the teams are usually predicting the strategy and the tyre live expectancy wrong, so I wouldnt be that surprised if those who are pitting on lap 1 for US will regret it.

 

You're right about them being mosty wrong, but usually it's in the other direction, i.e. the tyres holding up much longer than predicted.

[jee]

Which is kind of a stupid strategy with the current safety car rules. If anyone pits right before a SC or VSC they will lose massive amounts of time to anyone who pits during those.

Edited by jee, 28 May 2017 - 09:32.

[PilotPlant91]

Which is kind of a stupid strategy with the current safety car rules. If anyone pits right before a SC or VSC they will lose massive amounts of time to anyone who pits during those.

 

^ its to create variation and unpredictability of the races. 

[ilferrari]

Nice to see drivers fighting their cars yesterday. The cars looked great also. After so many years of narrow, stupid-looking cars which barely tested the drivers, it's nice to see