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#1 rts

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 03:01

Hello all, 

 

I always wondered whether there exists a video of every F1 (and '52/'53 F2) world championship race that was held, and I figured this might be the right place to ask! For the 1970-80, there are the Grand Prix Collection season reviews that have nice color footage of most of the races in this era, and the few races they don't have are elsewhere. From 1981 onward the official season reviews cover every race, so that is straightforward. That leaves the 1950's and 1960's. Here it gets more interesting. I've seen footage (either color or b/w) of all the races, except the following:

 

1. 1950 Swiss GP

- The closest to the first two Swiss GP's I've seen is the awesome 1948 Swiss GP footage that shows the Alfettas flying through Bremgarten.

2. 1951 Swiss GP

- Weather was bad for this race, so that could be why there is no video. Though, the 1951 International Trophy does have video, so that is probably not a factor.

3. 1952 Belgian GP

4. 1952 Dutch GP

5. 1954 Argentine GP

- There is a YouTube video about the city of Buenos Aires in 1954, that shows a cool color footage of a race, but sadly it is not the 1954 GP. It must be some non-championship race that took place around the same time.

6. 1961 US GP

- On the Watkins Glen website, under Track Info/History/Glen Timeline, there is a tiny video that I believe shows the start of this race around 0:45 of the video. The video is really small though!

7. 1963 Italian GP

- I am surprised this one is so difficult to find. This is the race that clinched Jim Clark the title. Was everyone just bored of Clark winning everything and noone took any video of this race?

8. 1963 US GP

9. 1964 US GP

- On Youtube, the user Bob Dinkins posted some videos he took when he attended this GP. However, It is not clear to me if it shows any race footage, or just the drivers practicing before the race. 

10. 1966 Mexican GP

11. 1969 Canadian GP

 

Does anyone know if footage from these races exists, or is it lost to time? Or perhaps for some of them, it never existed?

 

 



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#2 D-Type

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 20:01

You haven't mentioned Indianapolis.  Is that because videos exist of all races from 1950 to 1960?



#3 rts

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 04:05

Yes, Indy 500 footage exists for all of those years. The video reviews for Indy 500 are actually quite good/long for that era.



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 16:44

Yes, Indy 500 footage exists for all of those years. The video reviews for Indy 500 are actually quite good/long for that era.

 

That has to do with the video-system used for television in the States, I believe. The states used the NTSC-system, while in Europe one used the PAL-system. NTSC is much better transferable to video-capture software on a computer than PAL. There is a ton of excellent footage of vintage tennis in the States, while the footage of tennis in Europe looks awful on youtube, often.


Edited by Nemo1965, 01 June 2017 - 16:45.


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Posted 01 June 2017 - 18:47

I do have as much as 8 seconds of footage from the 1966 Mexican GP. 



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Posted 03 June 2017 - 18:26

Sweet, so that is one race off the list. Out of curiosity, is the footage you have part of some broadcast of the race? Or did you personally take it?



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Posted 04 June 2017 - 09:32

The International Motor Racing Research Center near Watkins Glen should have the 2(?) hour CBS(?) broadcast highlighting the 1964 season and the USGP.

 

The '63 Italian GP should've been shown by RAI and Eurovision members but probably did not survive the years. Not sure if Belgian TV covered it (they seem to have shown the most racing back then on European TV), perhaps their archives still have a copy.



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Posted 04 June 2017 - 14:18

The '63 Italian GP should've been shown by RAI and Eurovision members but probably did not survive the years. Not sure if Belgian TV covered it (they seem to have shown the most racing back then on European TV), perhaps their archives still have a copy.

RAI showed the whole of the 1963 Italian GP live (at least according to the schedule in La Stampa). BBC showed brief highlights only: a 45 minute programme which also included tennis from Dublin (Radio Times via BBC Genome).



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Posted 05 June 2017 - 23:58

So the RAI lead actually turned out to be fruitful! I've had bad luck with archives in the past, but after I searched through theirs online, I stumbled on a "1963: year of sport" review. Near the end of the video, they have some highlights from their broadcast of the 1963 Italian GP. So that is another one down! Here is a link to their online archive if anyone is interested (skip to 17:07):

 

http://www.teche.rai...-anno-di-sport/

 

The footage there is already nice, but I should learn some Italian so I can ask if they maybe have the full race somewhere...

 

Assuming the Motor Racing Center at Watkins Glen has the 3 US GP's (I need to take a trip there), that would leave the 1969 Canadian GP as the only 1960's F1 world championship race where the footage status is unknown as far as I am aware. This is interesting, because that is one of the last races of the 60's decade.



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Posted 06 June 2017 - 18:51

Hi,

 

just watched the cinema journal of the '52 Dutch Grand Prix comprised in a funny 4-CD set "Cars in the 50's and 60's" I obtained for just a fistfull of euro's a couple of years ago.

Featuring Ascari and Prince Bernhard, of course.

 

So there IS some footage, but what I have - do not ask me how to copy and put on youtube :confused:

 

Could be on the Zandvoort book/CD produced by FormulaOnce as well - but right now he is busy with his elderly drivers Lammers/Barichello/van Eerd in LMP2 Le Mans :evil:

 

Jan.



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Posted 06 June 2017 - 19:24

On the Polygoon cinema news clips site I only found the 1963 Dutch Grand Prix - pretty boring as Jim Clark won without serious competition: http://www.beeldenge...2608/grand-prix or racing driver Rob Slotemaker teaching truck drivers http://www.beeldengeluid.nl/media/8835/anti-slip-geheimen-van-r-slotemaker. and the '52 Amsterdam RAI 2CV introduction
http://www.beeldenge...onstelling-1952 - so no '52 Zandvoort clip for you as yet :(.



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Posted 06 June 2017 - 22:34

Hi,

 

just watched the cinema journal of the '52 Dutch Grand Prix comprised in a funny 4-CD set "Cars in the 50's and 60's" I obtained for just a fistfull of euro's a couple of years ago.

Featuring Ascari and Prince Bernhard, of course.

 

So there IS some footage, but what I have - do not ask me how to copy and put on youtube :confused:

 

Could be on the Zandvoort book/CD produced by FormulaOnce as well - but right now he is busy with his elderly drivers Lammers/Barichello/van Eerd in LMP2 Le Mans :evil:

 

Jan.

 

 

I can confirm there is a clip lasting less than a minute about the 1952 Dutch GP in the DVD accompanying the the Mark Koense's Zandvoort book.



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Posted 06 June 2017 - 23:37

About 1:15 mins here, including Ascari being handed the laurels. So highly likely the same clip from the original cinema news item.



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Posted 07 June 2017 - 15:39

That is great news! I will try to get my hands on that book/DVD, sounds like a good one to have in my collection. That just leaves these 5 races:

 

1950 Swiss GP

1951 Swiss GP

1952 Belgian GP

1954 Argentine GP

1969 Canadian GP

 

and potentially some of the US GPs at Watkins Glen (61/63/64), depending on if the museum has them. I am pretty sure the 1969 Canadian GP is out there somewhere, while the others are probably hit/miss. I am the least optimistic about the 2 Swiss GPs.



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 15:13

After more digging, it turns out that the 1954 Argentine GP footage does exist. Les Actualités Françaises (www.ina.fr) have a 36 second highlight clip of this race, dated 28 Jan 1954 and titled "Fangio enlève le Grand Prix automobile de Buenos Aires."



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 02:36

So it turns out that 1951 Swiss GP footage has also survived. The Watkins Glen museum seems to have all of the US GP's from the 1960's according to their online list, although I have not personally seen all of them. I am also currently following a potential lead for the 1969 Canadian GP, so we will see. The list of races is rapidly dwindling!



#17 Gary C

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Posted 25 December 2017 - 04:41

there's these;

Donington 1938 

 

various British GPs 1969-1973