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#1 ChrisD

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Posted 13 July 2017 - 09:39

The original RAC Tourist Trophy for cars was held on the Isle of Man on six occasions between 1905 and 1922.  There were no (car) TT races 1923 - 1927, and the race then moved to Ards in Northern Ireland. 

 

I have read of Harry Ferguson's influence in getting the TT to Ireland, but can find no references to why it stopped running in the IoM, especially given that the motorcycle TT survived and grew on The Island.

 

Can anyone tell me why the IoM was discontinued as the venue for the car TT, or point me in the direction of a good reference source?  Has a 'definitive' history of the RAC Tourist Trophy been written?  Again, I cannot find anything in (or out of) print.

 

As always, and info will be gratefully received.

 

Chris

 



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#2 Vitesse2

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Posted 13 July 2017 - 10:53

The nearest thing to a definitive history of all the early TTs is Richard Hough's 'Tourist Trophy', published by Hutchinson in 1957. Brief reports (generally 3-4 pages) on each year's race, with comprehensive entry lists and results. Available quite cheaply.

 

For the Manx races only - 'T.T. Pioneers: Early Car Racing In The Isle Of Man' by Robert Kelly. This covers all the races up to 1922 - including the Gordon Bennett Trials - and is well worth investing in; there's a copy on ABE for £25 + post at the moment, which, considering its scarcity, is very good value. They usually sell for anything between £35 and £100. I'm not at home at the moment, but can check whether it covers your query later.



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Posted 13 July 2017 - 13:18

The nearest thing to a definitive history of all the early TTs is Richard Hough's 'Tourist Trophy', published by Hutchinson in 1957. Brief reports (generally 3-4 pages) on each year's race, with comprehensive entry lists and results. Available quite cheaply.

 

For the Manx races only - 'T.T. Pioneers: Early Car Racing In The Isle Of Man' by Robert Kelly. This covers all the races up to 1922 - including the Gordon Bennett Trials - and is well worth investing in; there's a copy on ABE for £25 + post at the moment, which, considering its scarcity, is very good value. They usually sell for anything between £35 and £100. I'm not at home at the moment, but can check whether it covers your query later.

Thanks for that.  Look forward to hearing from you again.  Chris



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Posted 13 July 2017 - 19:27

From The Times, Monday, Feb 26, 1923; pg. 8

 

The Royal Automobile Club, after considering the request of the Junior Car Club for permission to hold a Tourist Trophy Race for light cars in the Isle of Man next July, has decided not to sanction such an event.

That would seem to imply that the RAC had by then already decided not to run a 1923 TT and that the JCC were seeking to salvage it as a more minor event.

 

Kelly records that the crowds had been poor and that reason, in combination with poor publicity, a small field and the bad weather during the 1922 race had more or less been the death knell, although Brigadier-General Holden of the RAC had initially held out the prospect of a 1923 event. The manufacturers, still rebuilding after war work, weren't keen and Kelly says that the SMMT opposed the JCC proposal, which he attributes to the Manx Motor Cycle Club, rather than the JCC, but perhaps they had enlisted the mainlanders' help, given that the MMCC wouldn't have been affiliated to the RAC. There was also opposition from the Lieutenant-Governor and from farming members of the Tynwald.

 

That's the short version. Chapter nine of Kelly's book is full of the politics of this, which had started during the build-up to the 1922 race. Much of the problem seems to stem from the RAC's reluctance to deal with the Manx MCC - who of course came under the authority of the Auto Cycle Union. In the long run though, this did lead to the establishment of the amateur version of the two-wheeled TT - aka the Manx GP.



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Posted 13 July 2017 - 20:07

The Daily Telegraph printed a similar report on the same date. First sentence is the same - so probably verbatim from an RAC announcement - but they added 'It is understood that the industry is opposed to the decision of a road race.'



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Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:35

Seems possible that there were actually two proposals. According to Rodney Walkerley's Brooklands to Goodwood (p58) 'That winter ... there was a suggestion of a 'Tourist Trophy' for cyclecars, which it was decided to chew over and which, in fact, came to nothing, if only because cyclecars by definition were dwindling in numbers and popularity.' (That may merely be Walkerley's opinion rather than documented fact, given the RAC statement.) The MMCC were more interested in running a race for amateur drivers.

 

But as I said above, there was a lot of politicking going on between the RAC, the ACU and the Manx authorities.



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Posted 17 July 2017 - 18:29

Seems possible that there were actually two proposals. According to Rodney Walkerley's Brooklands to Goodwood (p58) 'That winter ... there was a suggestion of a 'Tourist Trophy' for cyclecars, which it was decided to chew over and which, in fact, came to nothing, if only because cyclecars by definition were dwindling in numbers and popularity.' (That may merely be Walkerley's opinion rather than documented fact, given the RAC statement.) The MMCC were more interested in running a race for amateur drivers.

 

But as I said above, there was a lot of politicking going on between the RAC, the ACU and the Manx authorities.

Again, many thanks for all the info, which is most helpful.  I shall certainly get hold of Kelly's book.  Sounds interesting!!



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Posted 19 July 2017 - 00:16

There are also two small books on the Ulster races, which included arguably the greatest TTs.
The Ulster Vintage Car Club book of THE ARDS T.T. (Blackstaff Press, 1978) covers the 1928-36 races. It has plenty of photos.
The Dundrod TT Races 1950-1955 (Dreoilin, 1999). It has some errors.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:55

Again, many thanks for all the info, which is most helpful.  I shall certainly get hold of Kelly's book.  Sounds interesting!!

I have received my copy of Kelly's book, and it is just what I was looking for.  Again, many thanks.



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Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:55

There are also two small books on the Ulster races, which included arguably the greatest TTs.
The Ulster Vintage Car Club book of THE ARDS T.T. (Blackstaff Press, 1978) covers the 1928-36 races. It has plenty of photos.
The Dundrod TT Races 1950-1955 (Dreoilin, 1999). It has some errors.

Rob B

Thanks for that additional info.