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#3451 Enzoluis

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 11:49

Lack of pace in qualifying, lack of reliability, lack of outright speed in numerous races, only really excellent at one type of track.

 

There's more to Mercedes winning the titles races before the end of the season than Vettel's idiocy in Baku.

 

Unfortunatly the end of the season revealed that all the competitiveness of the SF70H was not more than the error that was the 2017 project of Mercedes. But they has a so big advantage that didn´t loose any WC and at Abu Dhabi restored the gap they have since 2015. 



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#3452 Mark123

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 13:40

Unfortunatly the end of the season revealed that all the competitiveness of the SF70H was not more than the error that was the 2017 project of Mercedes. But they has a so big advantage that didn´t loose any WC and at Abu Dhabi restored the gap they have since 2015.

Do you think Mercedes had that sort of pace all season and hid it until the last race?
Or do you think Mercedes got the diffuser from Malaysia to work and found the pace at Abu Dhabi?
Interesting because if they got the Malaysia diffuser to produce that dominant performance next year looks bleak.

#3453 Enzoluis

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 14:33

Do you think Mercedes had that sort of pace all season and hid it until the last race?
Or do you think Mercedes got the diffuser from Malaysia to work and found the pace at Abu Dhabi?
Interesting because if they got the Malaysia diffuser to produce that dominant performance next year looks bleak.

 

No, they didn´t hid anything. They started the season with a car with problems that solved trough the season and ended where they wanted to be at the start, 



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Posted 30 November 2017 - 14:49

Unfortunatly the end of the season revealed that all the competitiveness of the SF70H was not more than the error that was the 2017 project of Mercedes. But they has a so big advantage that didn´t loose any WC and at Abu Dhabi restored the gap they have since 2015. 

 

The gap during the Abu Dhabi race, however, seems to be caused at least partially by Ferrari needing to save fuel rather than outright pace.



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Posted 30 November 2017 - 15:04

The gap during the Abu Dhabi race, however, seems to be caused at least partially by Ferrari needing to save fuel rather than outright pace.

 
Right, but there's no points for qualifying. If Ferrari has to sacrifice pace to make it to the end, they've just not done a great job.

 

 

 


Unfortunatly the end of the season revealed that all the competitiveness of the SF70H was not more than the error that was the 2017 project of Mercedes.

 

I don't fully agree, because there were races where Ferrari was genuinely competitive and could - perhaps - have done better than they did.

 

But overall, once Mercedes got a handle on their tyre woes and then improved on that as the season went on, Ferrari dropped back and was just not in the same league on numerous occasions.

 

Let's not forget Vettel had already lost the WDC lead in Italy, before the three dreadful Asian races. These just sped up what was already looking inevitable.


Edited by Nonesuch, 30 November 2017 - 15:08.


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 15:40

 
Right, but there's no points for qualifying. If Ferrari has to sacrifice pace to make it to the end, they've just not done a great job.

 

 

 

 

I don't fully agree, because there were races where Ferrari was genuinely competitive and could - perhaps - have done better than they did.

 

But overall, once Mercedes got a handle on their tyre woes and then improved on that as the season went on, Ferrari dropped back and was just not in the same league on numerous occasions.

 

Let's not forget Vettel had already lost the WDC lead in Italy, before the three dreadful Asian races. These just sped up what was already looking inevitable.

 

I'm not so sure about that...

 

The three races where it collapsed can be debated until the cows come home regarding where he'd have finished, but I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that he'd have picked up two wins and a second place - 68 points, had they all been 'normal' weekends.



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Posted 30 November 2017 - 16:19

I'm not so sure about that...

 

The three races where it collapsed can be debated until the cows come home regarding where he'd have finished, but I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that he'd have picked up two wins and a second place - 68 points, had they all been 'normal' weekends.

 

Agree with you with a one two in Singapore there would be more pressure on Mercedes and the chances of they making mistakes and not us. There was a small chance but it was there. 



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Posted 30 November 2017 - 16:45

I'm not so sure about that...

 

It's unknowable, but after the summer Singapore had already been singled out as the best chance for Vettel to hang on. Other than the Toto Wolff adepts who saw Ferrari as the 'best package' everywhere, a lot of people seemed to consider the number of remaining races that were thought to favour Ferrari as small.

 

That things played out a bit differently, with a very strong Red Bull in numerous races, was somewhat of a surprise - but all the more reason not to 'claim' wins for 'what if'-scenarios that were never within grasp.



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Posted 01 December 2017 - 09:20

The gap during the Abu Dhabi race, however, seems to be caused at least partially by Ferrari needing to save fuel rather than outright pace.

 

it really dose not matter



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Posted 01 December 2017 - 12:07

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The gap during the Abu Dhabi race, however, seems to be caused at least partially by Ferrari needing to save fuel rather than outright pace.

 

it really dose not matter

 

I agree it does not matter for the final result, but it might give a less dire perspective to next year if it is a problem of the latest Ferrari engine (maybe linked to the oil saga, as F1AT suggests) rather than Ferrari not having been able to develop their car as the same rate as Mercedes. Clearly it's all speculation and there is no way to know for sure.


Edited by Forghieri, 01 December 2017 - 12:08.


#3461 Forghieri

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 12:10

 

I agree it does not matter for the final result, but it might give a less dire perspective to next year if it is a problem of the latest Ferrari engine (maybe linked to the oil saga, as F1AT suggests) rather than Ferrari not having been able to develop their car as the same rate as Mercedes. Clearly it's all speculation and there is no way to know for sure.

 

 

This is the article where F1AT claims that Ferrari was using the excess oil to cool down the combustion chamber in order to improve the engine efficiency (I admit I have no idea whether it makes sense technically or not).

 

http://www.f1analisi...za-olio-la.html


Edited by Forghieri, 01 December 2017 - 12:10.