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Grosjean crash in Malaysia GP FP2 2017 [split topic]


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#1 RECKLESS

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:09

Hard hit for Grosjean.

 


Edited by RECKLESS, 29 September 2017 - 08:31.


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#2 Massa

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:10

Wow is the track fault

#3 RECKLESS

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:11

Cancel the session and start welding?



#4 RedBaron

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:12

That's very dangerous.

They should cancel all future races at this circuit.

Unacceptable.

#5 Massa

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:12

Räikkönen was lucky

#6 PilotPlant91

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:13

could've been kimi.............

 

FIA 's negligence strikes again



#7 RECKLESS

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:14

Woah! Had Massa hit that grate(?) right after Grosjean....



#8 string158

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:14

What happened?

#9 wonk123

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:14

Another reason for the Halo



#10 anyeis

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:14

Ferrari has too much downforce for the track



#11 Massa

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:15

What happened?


I don’t know how to say it in English but something on the track destroy Grosjean tyre. Kimi was lucky as hell like Massa.

#12 RedBaron

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:16

Another reason for the Halo


Exactly, I lost count of how many times objects struck Grosjean's helmet during that incident.

If he'd be running the Halo the whole thing could have been avoided.

#Halonow

#13 SophieB

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:16

What happened?

 

Looks like a drain cover on the kerb was sticking up, ripped the right rear off Grosjean's car at Turn 13 #F1



#14 SophieB

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:24

We're still trying to answer the request for more dedicated threads for small incidents so I've split this one out, especially if there's any further ramifications from this. As it's the last race F1 is holding here, seems unlikely but hey.



#15 Risil

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:26

Looks like I picked the wrong Friday morning to show up at work!

#16 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:33

Don't worry guys, I'm on it . . .

 

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Edited by RainyAfterlifeDaylight, 29 September 2017 - 08:39.


#17 SophieB

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:35

GRO: "I didn't see anything and then suddenly I had a big hit on the right rear. I'm good and fine, that's the main thing" #MalaysiaGP 1f1f2-1f1fe.png



#18 Muppetmad

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:45

That's a lucky escape. That could have been a lot, lot worse.



#19 Kristian

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:46

That would have been really nasty had it been asphalt all the way to the barrier, like most other modern tracks... 



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#20 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:48

They welded Monaco one back in 2016, so I guess it is going to be welded as well.



#21 george1981

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:51

I think something similar happened to Montoya in the first Chinese GP. It went right through a radiator, half a meter the other way and it would have been a very serious accident. 



#22 Ellios

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:52

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#23 sportyskells

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:53

here a question, loss 30 minutes to rain and how many minutes loss because of this drain issue? and will Grosjean get a new pirell as that was no thier fault either



#24 Brackets

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:53

That would have been really nasty had it been asphalt all the way to the barrier, like most other modern tracks... 

 

The car was slowing just fine ~until~ it hit the gravel. Had it dug in and consequently flipped, the gravel advocates would be having a really bad time.

 

There. Is. Nothing. Wrong. With. Tarmac. Run-off.

 

 

(Except of course Blondie not enforcing track limits)



#25 johnmhinds

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:56

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#26 Tsarwash

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:58

That's very dangerous.

They should cancel all future races at this circuit.

Unacceptable.

I hope that is sarcasm.



#27 RECKLESS

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:06

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#28 Ellios

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:06

I hope that is sarcasm.

 

We may never know ! 



#29 SophieB

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:07

Wow this could have been so much worse, a drain cover has lifted, inexcusable @sepangcircuit @F1 @fia #SEF4Driversafety #SEF4Circuitsafety

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:07

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#31 Mat13

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:08

Bloody Pirellis.



#32 Kristian

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:09

The car was slowing just fine ~until~ it hit the gravel. Had it dug in and consequently flipped, the gravel advocates would be having a really bad time.

 

There. Is. Nothing. Wrong. With. Tarmac. Run-off.

 

 

(Except of course Blondie not enforcing track limits)

 

That's not how I saw it. I barely saw any speed scrubbed off. Though I'm happy to see a speed trace to be proven wrong. 

 

And flipping isn't bad - it loses more energy before hitting the wall. It just looks more dramatic rather than dangerous. 


Edited by Kristian, 29 September 2017 - 09:10.


#33 Brackets

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:13

And flipping isn't bad - it loses more energy before hitting the wall

Yes, flying through thin air is generally accepted to be the best way to scrub off speed.



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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:13

The car was slowing just fine ~until~ it hit the gravel. Had it dug in and consequently flipped, the gravel advocates would be having a really bad time.

 

There. Is. Nothing. Wrong. With. Tarmac. Run-off.

 

 

(Except of course Blondie not enforcing track limits)

Saying there is nothing wrong with tarmac run off is ignorant. Gravel traps finish drivers' races, which makes the sport more interesting. 



#35 Brackets

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:15



Saying there is nothing wrong with tarmac run off is ignorant. 

 

From a safety point of view. But you knew that.



#36 SophieB

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:15

Had a look at @RGrosjean's damaged rear wheel rim - it had a slice taken clean out of it by the drain cover



#37 marcainley

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:19

FIA insists on bringing in the halo, but lets this slip through the net...



#38 Nonesuch

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:20

Who'd have thought? It's only been four weeks since we had another F1 driver call another circuit "not up to F1 standards".

 

And it's not like drain covers have never been an issue before. Another great success for the folks at the FIA doing the track inspection and approval.  :stoned: 

 

Grosjean understandably annoyed! :up:



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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:32

And flipping isn't bad


Flipping can be plenty bad when the car lands in unfortunate and hard ways. Concussions are not innocent, and especially in sports like F1 the risk of second-impact syndrome is quite high - and can have fatal consequences.

 

Rolling is less of an issue because most of the momentum will still be horizontal rather than vertical, but that too can still pose risks in its own ways.



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#40 Brackets

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:37

Rolling is less of an issue because most of the momentum will still be horizontal rather than vertical, but that too can still pose risks in its own ways.

 

Clearing the tire-wall and going head first into the barrier, to name it. Plenty of lethal examples, unfortunately.

 

 

(Which, ironically, would be lessened by the universally loved halo)


Edited by Brackets, 29 September 2017 - 09:37.


#41 MikeV1987

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:44

Nasty crash, could have been worse if the chassis dug into the gravel.

#42 Laster

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:47

Never good to see, but this isn't the first time a drain cover has been dislodged. It has happened at Monaco quite a few times. Good that Grosjean is completely fine.

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:48

Flipping can be plenty bad when the car lands in unfortunate and hard ways. Concussions are not innocent, and especially in sports like F1 the risk of second-impact syndrome is quite high - and can have fatal consequences.

 

Rolling is less of an issue because most of the momentum will still be horizontal rather than vertical, but that too can still pose risks in its own ways.

 

Sorry I meant rolling :) 

 

But gravel only will cause rolling (unless the car enters in a really freak way or is already flipped), and whilst it looks bad, with modern safety cells it is absolutely fine. 

 

Just the worst accidents are ones where wheels are shorn off, and then the car slides on the undertray (as with Grosjean above). Then gravel is the best way at scrubbing speed.

 

Asphalt only works if all 4 wheels are on the car. 



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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:51

I have to say that the ​gravel​ tarmac didn't look to take off much speed there at all. But of course it is impossible to tell anything for sure in those videos presented. Especially as they tend to change the frame rate also. 

 

Edited for stupidity. 


Edited by Tsarwash, 29 September 2017 - 09:57.


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:55

I have to say that the gravel didn't look to take off much speed there at all. But of course it is impossible to tell anything for sure in those videos presented. Especially as they tend to change the frame rate also.


While I felt the opposite. That it didnt slow down "at all" on the tarmac due to just skidding along

#46 Tsarwash

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:56

While I felt the opposite. That it didnt slow down "at all" on the tarmac due to just skidding along

Sorry, I meant to write tarmac, not gravel. Apologies. 



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Posted 29 September 2017 - 10:05

Luckily this is the last sepang race. 



#48 Brackets

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 10:10

I have to say that the tarmac didn't look to take off much speed there at all. But of course it is impossible to tell anything for sure in those videos presented. Especially as they tend to change the frame rate also. 

 

That's our mind playing tricks. Upon reaching the tarmac run-off, he was obviously still going at his fastest, so the deceleration is not obvious to the eye. Then, the slower you start to go, the harder you start to slow down (because there are all sorts of square relationships involved with momentum, grip and speed).

 

It will never cease to amaze me that there are people who'd prefer barrel rolling into whatever comes your - helmets' - way (unpredictable) versus sliding into a barrier that was designed to be slid into (predictable). I'd have thought that the ALO crash from last year would have been the wake-up call that finally broke the snooze-button, but alas.

 

 

(And yes, tarmac runoff is ugly - oh the humanity!, doesn’t punish mistakes, and is serially abused by VET, but you know, one of these days it might just save his life)



#49 MikeV1987

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 10:13

Tarmac runoff is there to make crashes more controllable, not to slow the car down.


Edited by MikeV1987, 29 September 2017 - 10:13.


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 10:16

Tarmac runoff is there so that the powers that be don't have to bother enforcing track limits. After all, it's all tarmac right? Inside the white line, outside the white line, meh ... potato, potahto.