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#2801 Ellios

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 10:32

New pictures:

 

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#2802 TEHNOS

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 10:52

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#2803 Requiem84

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 11:30

Wait.

It’s wet. You cant drive on banked corners in the wet, right?

#2804 Peat

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 11:33

Incorrect.

 

Oval racing doesn't take place in the wet because of the speeds involved and the way cars are setup to achieve that. It would be possible, theoretically, to run oval races in the wet but they just don't.

Zandvoort is a road course, this is just 1 corner. They moderate the speed as they would elsewhere. Take a look at the 2019 Daytona 24hrs if you want to see them racing (or at least trying too...) on high banks in the pee'ing rain. 


Edited by Peat, 09 February 2020 - 11:41.


#2805 ANF

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 11:58

Incorrect.
 
Oval racing doesn't take place in the wet because of the speeds involved and the way cars are setup to achieve that. It would be possible, theoretically, to run oval races in the wet but they just don't.

Zandvoort is a road course, this is just 1 corner. They moderate the speed as they would elsewhere. Take a look at the 2019 Daytona 24hrs if you want to see them racing (or at least trying too...) on high banks in the pee'ing rain.

Here it is: https://youtu.be/faxx22Id7Bc?t=13114



#2806 Requiem84

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 12:20

Incorrect.

Oval racing doesn't take place in the wet because of the speeds involved and the way cars are setup to achieve that. It would be possible, theoretically, to run oval races in the wet but they just don't.

Zandvoort is a road course, this is just 1 corner. They moderate the speed as they would elsewhere. Take a look at the 2019 Daytona 24hrs if you want to see them racing (or at least trying too...) on high banks in the pee'ing rain.


Duh 😄, just read back the last page to get the sarcasm in my post :).

#2807 Peat

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 12:36

Double bluff, OF COURSE i knew that................right?. :drunk:



#2808 Wolbo

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 14:42

Impressed with all the work going on but wondering about the budget. Have seen figures mentioned ranging from 10mln to 30mln but can't imagine they are doing all this renovation for that kind of money.



#2809 TEHNOS

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 15:03

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#2810 Bleu

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 15:45

Regarding racing in the oval in wet conditions Indianapolis had partly wet F1 races in 2000 and 2003.



#2811 BRG

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 16:05

I wonder how much sand has been blown away by the storm of this weekend?



#2812 TEHNOS

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 17:19

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https://youtu.be/KBqWYlGgMnk

 

Also on Jarno Zaffellis Twitter, link to article... 

 

https://t.co/6DdOfQW3Id?amp=1

 

Of course in Italian   :cool: 



#2813 Kalmake

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 18:48

The picture has some text wrong that the article itself doesn't. It's the parallel component (light blue) that decreases thanks to banking. The yellow line stays the same as both new and old corner are flat out.

 

I guess 40% speed increase is some theoretical number for how fast the corner could be driven if they arrived at high speed. 40% increase would mean over 350km/h.

 

I don't think the corner makes any difference for suspension setup. Laterally it's nowhere close to grip limit (that's why DRS can be open). Vertical loads will be higher at the end of the straight thanks to velocity squared.



#2814 TEHNOS

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 08:04

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#2815 Humbug

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 09:07

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#2816 F1FanForever

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 16:35

Very good news from the municipality of Zandvoort today.

Three event permits have been approved by the mayor, Mr Moolenburgh, the requests were submitted by the DutchGP organization:
- Race Festival
- Side Events
- Dutch Grand Prix Village (i.e. the camping site with tents).

At 23 February 2020 at the latest some extra documents must be delivered by DutchGP, like:
- Health Plan

- Points for attention with regard to the Mobility Plan
- Crowd Management Plan, Security Plan, Calamity Plan
- Construction data of temporary structures (stages, tents)

Any notices of objection must be submitted within 6 weeks.


Edited by F1FanForever, 14 February 2020 - 16:42.


#2817 BRG

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 16:52

Calamity Plan

This means in case Max doesn't win the race?



#2818 Beri

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 17:30

This means in case Max doesn't win the race?


Or does. I expect bigger issues when he actually does win the race.

#2819 BRG

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 17:33

Or does. I expect bigger issues when he actually does win the race.

You mean rioting and civil disorder in either case?  You could be right!



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#2820 F1FanForever

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 17:35

This means in case Max doesn't win the race?

 

LOL. I'm afraid the Calamity Plan will be necessary in that case indeed  :p 
Max crashing in the Tarzan corner in the first round is a nightmare scenario for the organizers.

One of the main concerns with regard to the mobility plan is a massive exodus immediately after the Formula 1 race. This is why a number of side events will be organised on the circuit and in Zandvoort. I'm pretty sure that a famous Dutch DJ (Martin Garrix, Tiësto, Armin van Buuren) will be added to the line-up for that reason.



#2821 Beri

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 17:39

You mean rioting and civil disorder in either case? You could be right!


Yes, that's what I mean. And I sincerely think the law will have serious issues to maintain order if he wins.

Edited by Beri, 14 February 2020 - 17:39.


#2822 JeePee

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 17:56

That's unfair against the Dutch F1 fans. 

 

We're known for partying. Not trashing.



#2823 Beri

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 18:44

That's unfair against the Dutch F1 fans.

We're known for partying. Not trashing.


It is because I'm Dutch I state this.

#2824 Heyli

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 19:48

It is because I'm Dutch I state this.

Was no problem in Austria at all, and there were a significant amount of Dutch people there (both when he dropped out after 1 lap and when he won.



#2825 Beri

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 20:55

Was no problem in Austria at all, and there were a significant amount of Dutch people there (both when he dropped out after 1 lap and when he won.


Ok. Because you say it, it is not gonna happen. I'm relieved.

#2826 Heyli

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 20:59

Ok. Because you say it, it is not gonna happen. I'm relieved.

You´re welcome.



#2827 PayasYouRace

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Posted 15 February 2020 - 11:24

That's unfair against the Dutch F1 fans. 

 

We're known for partying. Not trashing.

 

You must have very civilised parties then.



#2828 ElectricBoogie

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Posted 15 February 2020 - 18:10

I know Dutch supporters. The army better not wait to be asked to come assist. Really they should be seen arriving at the circuit. Plenty of "troops"personnel trucks, doors open. 

And Max should be asked to say some calming things about respect of the sport, all partificipants, friendship with all drivers, good relations with other teams. Else, "we" will find reasons to topple some motorhomes, drench them in urine, and worse. It would be the definite last Dutch GP.
One little spark of hope might be from the way the tickets were distributed. No large concentrations of football fans might have gotten access. There will be plenty of them, but not as organized as with games. But please arrange for key personnel of teams to be helicoptered in and out. Not for luxury.
Most of these fans arriving were not a racing fan 3 years ago.



#2829 SonGoku

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Posted 15 February 2020 - 18:23

It will be interesting to see how they react to rival drivers, especially with football fans involved.

#2830 Ivanhoe

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Posted 15 February 2020 - 19:11

I know Dutch supporters. The army better not wait to be asked to come assist. Really they should be seen arriving at the circuit. Plenty of "troops"personnel trucks, doors open. 

And Max should be asked to say some calming things about respect of the sport, all partificipants, friendship with all drivers, good relations with other teams. Else, "we" will find reasons to topple some motorhomes, drench them in urine, and worse. It would be the definite last Dutch GP.
One little spark of hope might be from the way the tickets were distributed. No large concentrations of football fans might have gotten access. There will be plenty of them, but not as organized as with games. But please arrange for key personnel of teams to be helicoptered in and out. Not for luxury.
Most of these fans arriving were not a racing fan 3 years ago.

The army, really?  :drunk:  :stoned:



#2831 ElectricBoogie

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Posted 15 February 2020 - 19:19

The army, really?  :drunk:  :stoned:

We have a wonderful tradition for terrible riots on the beach. 

The alternative is to just assume all will be fine in this very new reality in this specific location. 
i don't know the measures being taken, but it would not be a bad idea to make the champagne on the podium the only alcohol in the village allowed and on sale that weekend.



#2832 phrank

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Posted 15 February 2020 - 19:28

I know Dutch supporters. The army better not wait to be asked to come assist. Really they should be seen arriving at the circuit. Plenty of "troops"personnel trucks, doors open. 

And Max should be asked to say some calming things about respect of the sport, all partificipants, friendship with all drivers, good relations with other teams. Else, "we" will find reasons to topple some motorhomes, drench them in urine, and worse. It would be the definite last Dutch GP.
One little spark of hope might be from the way the tickets were distributed. No large concentrations of football fans might have gotten access. There will be plenty of them, but not as organized as with games. But please arrange for key personnel of teams to be helicoptered in and out. Not for luxury.
Most of these fans arriving were not a racing fan 3 years ago.

Lol what a nonsense



#2833 Beri

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Posted 15 February 2020 - 20:35

I know Dutch supporters. The army better not wait to be asked to come assist. Really they should be seen arriving at the circuit. Plenty of "troops"personnel trucks, doors open.

And Max should be asked to say some calming things about respect of the sport, all partificipants, friendship with all drivers, good relations with other teams. Else, "we" will find reasons to topple some motorhomes, drench them in urine, and worse. It would be the definite last Dutch GP.
One little spark of hope might be from the way the tickets were distributed. No large concentrations of football fans might have gotten access. There will be plenty of them, but not as organized as with games. But please arrange for key personnel of teams to be helicoptered in and out. Not for luxury.
Most of these fans arriving were not a racing fan 3 years ago.


Everything aside from your last sentence is a good tongue in cheek comment.
But most "Verstappen fans" or "racing fans" hardly know anything about the sport. Once I had a discussion with one on track who would boo-off every other driver than Verstappen. When asked if he could name the other drivers. He couldn't. If he could name a recent World Champion aside from Hamilton. He couldn't. If he even heard about teams like Ligier, Tyrrell or Lotus. It was like him seeing a volcano erupt.
A real racing fan who continued to be unkind, a drunk and just rude. Yeah that's the current state of Formula One hooliganism in the Netherlands.

I'm all for it for new people to start being a fan and who visit races. It is a whole other story if you start being a jerk and just make a fool out of yourself. Those are the people running off when Verstappen crashes out of the race or who stop watching F1 after the lad retires. Not real fans in my book. And most certainly not the kind of fan that 99.9% of all of us are.

#2834 Sterzo

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Posted 15 February 2020 - 21:46

^ You should have asked him if he knew Verstappen was a Belgian.



#2835 Beri

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Posted 15 February 2020 - 22:04

I couldn't wreck his life.

#2836 TEHNOS

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 21:14

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#2837 Humbug

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 09:13

Mmm, interesting. They put a piece of asphalt on the top-side of the Hugenholzcorner, to make it a bit higher. Also an extra piece on de Hunserug; excape-road, probably?


Edited by Humbug, 17 February 2020 - 10:20.


#2838 ANF

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 10:15

I believe that's the new tarmac run-off area at Hugenholtz. The barrier will be installed where the tarmac ends, so there won't be any gravel on the outside.

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 12:15



I believe that's the new tarmac run-off area at Hugenholtz. The barrier will be installed where the tarmac ends, so there won't be any gravel on the outside.

 

Exactly, only tarmac "runoff".  :cool:

 

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#2840 Goron3

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 12:31

They've done a really good job with the run off/ gravel here. If you miss the turn in of a corner, you've got a substantially slower route to take. For example, at turn 11, if you go straight on you end up taking a really tight hairpin back onto the track. 



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Posted 18 February 2020 - 14:45

https://www.youtube....h?v=24fPnDLfM0Q

 

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Edited by Humbug, 18 February 2020 - 15:28.


#2842 Peat

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