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[Dalton007]

Some interesting quotes on Lewis from Jenson's book.

 

In his new autobiography, Life at the Limit, the 37-year-old - who was world champion in 2009 - describes Hamilton as "a brilliant, mercurial driver".

But he says the 32-year-old was "unpredictable" and he "regretted that despite our similarities, we were never really friends".

Button praises Hamilton for "really coming on over the past few years".

He added: "He's matured, become a bit of a statesman and a great representative of the sport."

Button describes three-time world champion Hamilton as "one of the greats", adding: "Of everybody on the grid, he's the guy who really has that 'gift'."

But he said their personal relationship was marked by tension throughout their three years as McLaren team-mates from 2010-12.

Button says he was warned by several people about joining McLaren because of Hamilton's talent and the way the team was perceived to be focused on him.

Button believes his arrival at McLaren with his entourage of close friends and his father changed the atmosphere, and that Hamilton feared it undermined his position with the team.

Describing their relationship early in their first season together, Button says: "Personally, he was fine with me, no issues at all at this stage of the game, but you could just tell he was a little bit peeved.

"That thing about it being his team? It was right on the money. And, if you ask me, he was finding it difficult to get a handle on the fact that it was our team now."

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/41528046

[Dabash]

Some interesting quotes on Lewis from Jenson's book.

 

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/41528046

 

You are already about 20 posts too late with the latest Hamilton scoop 

[gillesfan76]

Some interesting quotes on Lewis from Jenson's book.

 

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/41528046

 

I find everything that Jenson says there quite plausible and makes a lot of sense. However I find it strange that Jenson actually found any of it weird. After seeing off Alonso after an acrimonious season together, then dominating Heikki and winning a WDC with the team focused on him, did Jenson expect that Lewis would just love having a new WDC bringing his car number 1 over to "his" team? I don't see anything weird about it and I find it strange that Jenson found it strange, given that Jenson had team mates like Villeneuve a downright b@stard, and a completely paranoid Barrichello.

 

Jenson mentions that he was surprised about Lewis confronting him and reaction on the podium after Turkey. But from Lewis' perspective there was nothing strange. He was told by the team they were holding position and next thing he knows, Jenson attacks and overtakes him. Lewis took the spot back after an aggressive overtake back on Jenson and that's why he won the race, but that doesn't remove from his very valid reason to question Jenson whether he was told to hold position. From Lewis' perspective something very dodgy was going on within the team and he was quite right to question it.

 

Jenson also mentions awkward silences. Just seems like he's over analysing it. There's a significant age gap between them and they are two very different people. Jenson has always acted quite mature for his age, even when he was a young playboy. Whereas Lewis is still part kid even now. In some ways he's mature, but there's very much kid at heart with Lewis even now let alone 5 years ago. I don't think the two would have a lot to talk about especially back then.

 

Where I fully agree with Jenson being perplexed is the tweeting of telemetry in Spa 2012. That was downright weird and unnecessary. I still feel like there was something else going on behind Lewis doing that, whether it was an intentional payback to the team for perceived slights or whether he was trying to give his new team (Merc) valuable information to help them prepare the car to suit him for the upcoming season, without getting into a lot of trouble passing them info on the sly. Or maybe Jenson is completely right and Lewis was just plain dumb which is equally plausible.

Edited by gillesfan76, 16 October 2017 - 14:57.

[pingu666]

when jenson joined macca didnt they swap who crews? so lewis got heiki's guys and jenson got lewis?

 

breaking up that winning combo seems a odd move

[SonGoku]

I find everything that Jenson says there quite plausible and makes a lot of sense. However I find it strange that Jenson actually found any of it weird. After seeing off Alonso after an acrimonious season together, then dominating Heikki and winning a WDC with the team focused on him, did Jenson expect that Lewis would just love having a new WDC bringing his car number 1 over to "his" team? I don't see anything weird about it and I find it strange that Jenson found it strange, given that Jenson had team mates like Villeneuve a downright b@stard, and a completely paranoid Barrichello.

 

Jenson mentions that he was surprised about Lewis confronting him and reaction on the podium after Turkey. But from Lewis' perspective there was nothing strange. He was told by the team they were holding position and next thing he knows, Jenson attacks and overtakes him. Lewis took the spot back after an aggressive overtake back on Jenson and that's why he won the race, but that doesn't remove from his very valid reason to question Jenson whether he was told to hold position. From Lewis' perspective something very dodgy was going on within the team and he was quite right to question it.

 

Jenson also mentions awkward silences. Just seems like he's over analysing it. There's a significant age gap between them and they are two very different people. Jenson has always acted quite mature for his age, even when he was a young playboy. Whereas Lewis is still part kid even now. In some ways he's mature, but there's very much kid at heart with Lewis even now let alone 5 years ago. I don't think the two would have a lot to talk about especially back then.

 

Where I fully agree with Jenson being perplexed is the tweeting of telemetry in Spa 2012. That was downright weird and unnecessary. I still feel like there was something else going on behind Lewis doing that, whether it was an intentional payback to the team for perceived slights or whether he was trying to give his new team (Merc) valuable information to help them prepare the car to suit him for the upcoming season, without getting into a lot of trouble passing them info on the sly. Or maybe Jenson is completely right and Lewis was just plain dumb which is equally plausible.

 

Agree with you. One thing I notices about Lewis that he surely has his funny moments during a race weekend, but when the important part of the weekend starts, it's business for him. He is totally focused on his job and that's to beat everyone in the race. He isn't going to be ''buddy-buddy'' if Jenson meant that. Lewis has his ''funny moments'' off the race track, where the rest of the field seems to live an utter boring life.

Edited by SonGoku, 16 October 2017 - 15:15.

[GrumpyYoungMan]

when jenson joined macca didnt they swap who crews? so lewis got heiki's guys and jenson got lewis?

 

breaking up that winning combo seems a odd move

Well Mercedes did the same...

[HeadFirst]

Agree with you. One thing I notices about Lewis that he surely has his funny moments during a race weekend, but when the important part of the weekend starts, it's business for him. He is totally focused on his job and that's to beat everyone in the race. He isn't going to be ''buddy-buddy'' if Jenson meant that. Lewis has his ''funny moments'' off the race track, where the rest of the field seems to live an utter boring life.

 

Really? Off the top of my head .... Jenson did triathlons, and Fernando cycles with ex Olympic champs. I'm sure if you researched a little you would find most have interesting aspects to their lives, that just don't get the attention. Besides, I think being an F1 is exciting enough, that you might seek a little solace in the off-season.

[SonGoku]

Really? Off the top of my head .... Jenson did triathlons, and Fernando cycles with ex Olympic champs. I'm sure if you researched a little you would find most have interesting aspects to their lives, that just don't get the attention. Besides, I think being an F1 is exciting enough, that you might seek a little solace in the off-season.

 

Yeah superexciting....I prefer Lewis' life then hanging with Tom Brady, Steph Curry, watching superbowls and NBA games and the whole hip hop scene to party with.

[MasterOfCoin]

I find everything that Jenson says there quite plausible and makes a lot of sense. However I find it strange that Jenson actually found any of it weird. After seeing off Alonso after an acrimonious season together, then dominating Heikki and winning a WDC with the team focused on him, did Jenson expect that Lewis would just love having a new WDC bringing his car number 1 over to "his" team? I don't see anything weird about it and I find it strange that Jenson found it strange, given that Jenson had team mates like Villeneuve a downright b@stard, and a completely paranoid Barrichello.

 

Jenson mentions that he was surprised about Lewis confronting him and reaction on the podium after Turkey. But from Lewis' perspective there was nothing strange. He was told by the team they were holding position and next thing he knows, Jenson attacks and overtakes him. Lewis took the spot back after an aggressive overtake back on Jenson and that's why he won the race, but that doesn't remove from his very valid reason to question Jenson whether he was told to hold position. From Lewis' perspective something very dodgy was going on within the team and he was quite right to question it.

 

Jenson also mentions awkward silences. Just seems like he's over analysing it. There's a significant age gap between them and they are two very different people. Jenson has always acted quite mature for his age, even when he was a young playboy. Whereas Lewis is still part kid even now. In some ways he's mature, but there's very much kid at heart with Lewis even now let alone 5 years ago. I don't think the two would have a lot to talk about especially back then.

 

Where I fully agree with Jenson being perplexed is the tweeting of telemetry in Spa 2012. That was downright weird and unnecessary. I still feel like there was something else going on behind Lewis doing that, whether it was an intentional payback to the team for perceived slights or whether he was trying to give his new team (Merc) valuable information to help them prepare the car to suit him for the upcoming season, without getting into a lot of trouble passing them info on the sly. Or maybe Jenson is completely right and Lewis was just plain dumb which is equally plausible.

When Lewis writes his book we will get a clearer view of the events that led to the telemetry episode....

[Marklar]

Declaring Hamiltons life off the track to be better than the others is just as bad as criticising Hamilton for his personal life.

[monolulu]

When Lewis writes his book we will get a clearer view of the events that led to the telemetry episode....

Jenson has said fairly recently that the telemetry wasn’t as important as it appeared & it was more the fact he tweeted than its content. Unfortunately I can’t find the quote at present.

[TomNokoe]

Maybe Hamilton was peeved because McLaren did in fact restructure the entire engineering team upon Button's arrival seriously... and Turkey 2010 he still is pretending he's the good guy!!! This needs it's own thread, anyway.

Edited by TomNokoe, 16 October 2017 - 16:00.

[robefc]

JB'c comments on Turkey are disingenuous BS...evry now and then with him I wonder, especially when you hear the odd comment from a pundit/journo that his polished public image is not necessarily the reality...

[Dalton007]

JB'c comments on Turkey are disingenuous BS...evry now and then with him I wonder, especially when you hear the odd comment from a pundit/journo that his polished public image is not necessarily the reality...

 

They are all competitive animals and put on a show for the cameras.

 

I always looked at Lewis as someone who wasn't comfortable in his own skin, but since leaving McLaren he has become his own man, much more confident and now the complete driver.

[pingu666]

the press gave him a easy time with perez too

[Dabash]

Declaring Hamiltons life off the track to be better than the others is just as bad as criticising Hamilton for his personal life.

I don't think he said it was better, he said he just preferred it

[Retrofly]

I will take comfort in Lewis' retirement knowing we will get quite a juicy autobio, at least I hope we do anyway.

[sennafan24]

I will take comfort in Lewis' retirement knowing we will get quite a juicy autobio, at least I hope we do anyway.

[jjcale]

Declaring Hamiltons life off the track to be better than the others is just as bad as criticising Hamilton for his personal life.

 

Really?

 

Let's see .... would I prefer to be banging super models or not? .... gee its a tough choice....  Home with the wife and kids or out partying/travelling and banging super models? ..... which would I rather to be doing? ... honestly, can't decide.... since, y'know... all lifestyles are equally interesting/exciting. 

Edited by jjcale, 16 October 2017 - 16:38.

[P123]

When the headlines read that JB thought Lewis weird I was looking forward to a critique of his fashion sense, maybe that he held long drawn out discussions with Roscoe, or ate dog biscuits, but no, it's just that he wasn't really won over by JB's convivial manner and matesy bantz.

And the most controversial moments of their time together being the very public twittering, and a bit of Turkey miscommunication, although put in Lewis's shoes I'm not sure why JB would be confused by LH's subsequent mood, and LH's question to him on it seemed straight up and to the point...!

Perhaps there will be something more juicy on JV, or Sato, or Richards, or Rubens. 'Weird'.

[maverick69]

JB is full of **** in this instance (and I supported him as a driver).

 

The way he worked the room - and got in with "Marty" (his words not mine) blatantly made it a bit weird for a bit of a wet behind the ears Hamilton.

 

And the rhetoric that Hamilton is the fastest driver ever (he out-qualified me)..... and Fred is the most complete ever (he outraced me) is just more gumph to justify and/or support his place in the echelons of F1 history...... Which is not really necessary TBH.

 

I agree with P123: The "Dave" Richards stuff should be some of the most compelling reading......... If he's got the balls.......

[Zendroh]

Button was and still is a snake.

[P123]

Button was and still is a snake.

Nah, as with any autobiography things need a bit of polish. Hamilton generates headlines and is a good poster boy to flag up that 'hey look, JB has a book out', but if this is the most scathing JB can be about Hamilton and their time together, then there isn't much of story to tell. More interesting will be his Renault and BAR days, and the close of 2008 when Honda ran for the hills and it looked like he was out of F1.

[RECKLESS]

Yeah, c'mon Jens. That's not juicy enough!!

[SonGoku]

When the headlines read that JB thought Lewis weird I was looking forward to a critique of his fashion sense, maybe that he held long drawn out discussions with Roscoe, or ate dog biscuits, but no, it's just that he wasn't really won over by JB's convivial manner and matesy bantz.

And the most controversial moments of their time together being the very public twittering, and a bit of Turkey miscommunication, although put in Lewis's shoes I'm not sure why JB would be confused by LH's subsequent mood, and LH's question to him on it seemed straight up and to the point...!

Perhaps there will be something more juicy on JV, or Sato, or Richards, or Rubens. 'Weird'.

 

Agreed. You always have to ''hype up'' the book because you want to sell it. To be honest, except datagate it just wasn't a very exciting rivalry. No championship at stake, McLaren implosion and Lewis leaving. 

 

It was also well known that Jenson organised events for the press with all the journo's invited, so I doubt he has a lot to reveal.

[realracer200]

Button was and still is a snake.

 

Button was always one of the most fair drivers in this sport so your comment makes zero sense.

 

[ATM]

Fair racing yes, but a very shrewd person when it comes to politics (and I say that as a fan).

[Dabash]

Nah, as with any autobiography things need a bit of polish. Hamilton generates headlines and is a good poster boy to flag up that 'hey look, JB has a book out', but if this is the most scathing JB can be about Hamilton and their time together, then there isn't much of story to tell. More interesting will be his Renault and BAR days, and the close of 2008 when Honda ran for the hills and it looked like he was out of F1.

Guess we'll have to wait for Nico's book

Am sure by this time next year one should be out

[Piif]

And straight to the discount section of bookstores worldwide.

[DaytimeUTT]

Lewis is weird because of his adolescent drama towards things, not because he was miffed about the miscommunication in Turkey. "Did you pass me against team orders?" is a more loaded, confrontational question than "Did 'Frank' (whoever JB's engineer was) give you the OK to race me? Because Bob (whoever Lewis's engineer was) said we were going to hold station." This is the proper, non-drama way to ask the question to JB. I guess JB thought it's weird because he can be a right old teenager in a man's body. JB is right, when he's not acting like a Big Brother housemate over moments like Turkey '10 or Monaco '14, he's pining over his bird dumping him and self destructing in front of the world. Grow up Lewis, this is F1 not TOWIE.

 

Apparently McLaren higher and lower staff got fed up of him precisely because of this, and it looked like it was going that way in Mercedes after Monaco '14. He's a toxic presence, he's lucky he's the best driver of his generation.

Edited by DaytimeUTT, 16 October 2017 - 19:19.

[causeandeffect]

When JB first signed with Williams I was a rabid JB fan, but over the years that enthusiasm  faded. By the end of 2012 I recognised Button for being  a great racer but also for being a scheming, sly, machiavellian, back-stabbing team-mate who had had managed to totally ingratiate himself at McLaren and who had very effectively managed to isolate Hamilton as the spoilt Diva of the team. His seduction of Whitmarsh was magnificent- it was so complete that it was only at the end of that year when Hamilton signed for Mercedes that Whitmarsh realised what a massive cock up he had made and how he had got his priorities and loyalties all wrong. 2013 really brought those chickens home to roost with Jensen as the outright number 1!

[maverick69]

Lewis is weird because of his adolescent drama towards things, not because he was miffed about the miscommunication in Turkey. "Did you pass me against team orders?" is a more loaded, confrontational question than "Did 'Frank' (whoever JB's engineer was) give you the OK to race me? Because Bob (whoever Lewis's engineer was) said we were going to hold station." This is the proper, non-drama way to ask the question to JB. I guess JB thought it's weird because he can be a right old teenager in a man's body. JB is right, when he's not acting like a Big Brother housemate over moments like Turkey '10 or Monaco '14, he's pining over his bird dumping him and self destructing in front of the world. Grow up Lewis, this is F1 not TOWIE.

 

Apparently McLaren higher and lower staff got fed up of him precisely because of this, and it looked like it was going that way in Mercedes after Monaco '14. He's a toxic presence, he's lucky he's the best driver of his generation.

 

Lol. Merc must love punching themselves in the face!

[garoidb]

When JB first signed with Williams I was a rabid JB fan, but over the years that enthusiasm  faded. By the end of 2012 I recognised Button for being  a great racer but also for being a scheming, sly, machiavellian, back-stabbing team-mate who had had managed to totally ingratiate himself at McLaren and who had very effectively managed to isolate Hamilton as the spoilt Diva of the team. His seduction of Whitmarsh was magnificent- it was so complete that it was only at the end of that year when Hamilton signed for Mercedes that Whitmarsh realised what a massive cock up he had made and how he had got his priorities and loyalties all wrong. 2013 really brought those chickens home to roost with Jensen as the outright number 1!

 

So, a pretty effective F1 operator then. Was he supposed to be on Hamilton's side? 

[Marklar]

Congrats Jenson, your book got its own thread in the Autosport Forums 

[MasterOfCoin]

Lewis is weird because of his adolescent drama towards things, not because he was miffed about the miscommunication in Turkey. "Did you pass me against team orders?" is a more loaded, confrontational question than "Did 'Frank' (whoever JB's engineer was) give you the OK to race me? Because Bob (whoever Lewis's engineer was) said we were going to hold station." This is the proper, non-drama way to ask the question to JB. I guess JB thought it's weird because he can be a right old teenager in a man's body. JB is right, when he's not acting like a Big Brother housemate over moments like Turkey '10 or Monaco '14, he's pining over his bird dumping him and self destructing in front of the world. Grow up Lewis, this is F1 not TOWIE.

 

Apparently McLaren higher and lower staff got fed up of him precisely because of this, and it looked like it was going that way in Mercedes after Monaco '14. He's a toxic presence, he's lucky he's the best driver of his generation.

[OO7]

Lewis is weird because of his adolescent drama towards things, not because he was miffed about the miscommunication in Turkey. "Did you pass me against team orders?" is a more loaded, confrontational question than "Did 'Frank' (whoever JB's engineer was) give you the OK to race me? Because Bob (whoever Lewis's engineer was) said we were going to hold station." This is the proper, non-drama way to ask the question to JB. I guess JB thought it's weird because he can be a right old teenager in a man's body. JB is right, when he's not acting like a Big Brother housemate over moments like Turkey '10 or Monaco '14, he's pining over his bird dumping him and self destructing in front of the world. Grow up Lewis, this is F1 not TOWIE.

 

Apparently McLaren higher and lower staff got fed up of him precisely because of this, and it looked like it was going that way in Mercedes after Monaco '14. He's a toxic presence, he's lucky he's the best driver of his generation.

From James Allison:

"It has been a considerable pleasure joining Mercedes this year for many, many reasons but one of those was that it was my first opportunity to start working alongside Lewis," he said. "I think I'd only ever said hello to him once in all the years prior to that and the experience of working with him is very different to what I imagined it would be."

 

"I've found a racing driver of the sort of excellence that all of us can see from his statistics and the way he goes about his job, but what has been particularly good is that I've found a guy that conducts himself as a man in a way that makes you happy to work alongside him. And that's been an enjoyable and good thing about joining Mercedes."

[Lotus53B]

Never trust an autohagiography

[SonGoku]

The way Jenson describes the ''his vs my team'' confirmed my assumptions about him. He was busier fighting about the team than winning a championship. When Lewis left he was happy to announce he was ''McLaren team leader'' and what a glory days followed.

[Dabash]

Lewis is weird because of his adolescent drama towards things, not because he was miffed about the miscommunication in Turkey. "Did you pass me against team orders?" is a more loaded, confrontational question than "Did 'Frank' (whoever JB's engineer was) give you the OK to race me? Because Bob (whoever Lewis's engineer was) said we were going to hold station." This is the proper, non-drama way to ask the question to JB. I guess JB thought it's weird because he can be a right old teenager in a man's body. JB is right, when he's not acting like a Big Brother housemate over moments like Turkey '10 or Monaco '14, he's pining over his bird dumping him and self destructing in front of the world. Grow up Lewis, this is F1 not TOWIE.

 

Apparently McLaren higher and lower staff got fed up of him precisely because of this, and it looked like it was going that way in Mercedes after Monaco '14. He's a toxic presence, he's lucky he's the best driver of his generation.

 

You sound upset   

[ArchieTech]

Lewis is weird because of his adolescent drama towards things, not because he was miffed about the miscommunication in Turkey. "Did you pass me against team orders?" is a more loaded, confrontational question than "Did 'Frank' (whoever JB's engineer was) give you the OK to race me? Because Bob (whoever Lewis's engineer was) said we were going to hold station." This is the proper, non-drama way to ask the question to JB.

We all say things differently in the heat of the moment. They had just finished a wheel to wheel race, the adrenaline would be flowing anyway, let alone if you were passed by a team mate who you thought was going to hold position so you could both back off.

 

(I'm a Jenson fan by the way, but I don't see any problem with Lewis' reaction)

[JHSingo]

I've often felt that a lot of professional athletes, as gifted in their sport as they may be, are complex characters with a lot of issues.

 

Perhaps it is because they don't go through the same 'university of life' (to use a cliched phrase) as everyday folk that they struggle in certain scenarios, whether it's socially or whatever. I guess it is difficult to be friends with someone as an athlete, when your whole world revolves around training, competing, striving to be the best. Maybe that is why some have flaws in their characters, and are difficult people to be with behind closed doors.

 

It's difficult to say with certainty, just as an interested observer. But I consider Jenson to be one of the more grounded, mature and 'normal' drivers that F1 has had in recent years - a guy you could easily go to the pub with, and enjoy a pint in the company of. Mark Webber is another. Lewis, I suspect, would be rather more hard work, so it doesn't surprise me when I read comments like this. It's certainly interesting.

 

This post is not meant to be a dig at Hamilton. He's a phenomenal driver, but it's clear that with some of the things that have happened off track, he's a challenging person to deal with at times.

Edited by JHSingo, 16 October 2017 - 20:26.

[Dabash]

At first I used to think Jenson was harmless but he had his devious ways. one underhanded thing I can remember him doing was in Bahrain 2013 when he had an on track tussle with his team mate then (Sergio Perez)  and after the race Martin Whitmarsh was being interviewed by sky about the incident on track between the McLaren Drivers, next thing you know Jenson comes out of the motorhome and hijacks the interview with his arm around Whitmarsh smiling and laughing and saying something like

 

"Martin what did you tell him (sergio)  to motivate him cos he seems to have taken it to another level or somethign to that effect" 

 

It was strange to see a TP being interviewed about on track issues regarding his 2 drivers and one of them is actually present in the interview with his arms around the TP and more or less discussing the other driver, it was a bit shameful that Whitmarsh tolerated that kind of thing, especially in front of the sky cameras and certainly not fair on Sergio.

 

 

 

Jenson Joins the interview at 2.06

Edited by Dabash, 16 October 2017 - 20:35.

[Marklar]

I'm surprised that he didnt came up with more, but maybe there simply wasnt more besides the "incidents" we already knew.
 

It's difficult to say with certainty, just as an interested observer. But I consider Jenson to be one of the more grounded, mature and 'normal' drivers that F1 has had in recent years - a guy you could easily go to the pub with, and enjoy a pint in the company of. Mark Webber is another. Lewis, I suspect, would be rather more hard work, so it doesn't surprise me when I read comments like this. It's certainly interesting.

Ironically these two happen to have the best relationships to the press in recent years. And at least about Button you do hear from time to time that he isnt conducting himself as well behind the scenes as he does in the public eye.

Hamilton is definitely hard to work with, just like all good drivers (Alonso, Vettel, Verstappen, etc.) are, but I wouldnt trust Button's view much just because he appears to be "grounded".

Edited by Marklar, 16 October 2017 - 20:39.

[Ellios]

This post is not meant to be a dig at Hamilton. He's a phenomenal driver, but it's clear that with some of the things that have happened off track, he's a challenging person to deal with at times.

 

The same could be said about Mansell, certainly Senna, Prost, Nelson Piquet, probably even Nico Rosberg. 

 

In fact the guy that runs our warehouse at work is a moody bugger, but he only drives a forklift

Edited by Ellios, 16 October 2017 - 20:40.

[SophieB]

It's difficult to say with certainty, just as an interested observer. But I consider Jenson to be one of the more grounded, mature and 'normal' drivers that F1 has had in recent years - a guy you could easily go to the pub with, and enjoy a pint in the company of. Mark Webber is another. Lewis, I suspect, would be rather more hard work...
 

Well yeah, It's fun to treat the drivers like characters in a film and guess what they're really like but I don't think it's possible to draw definite conclusions. For example, Button himself said a couple of years ago that he finds meeting new people difficult and finds it hard to trust them, so possibly the pub night out with you might not be so easy for him. Or it might be, who knows.

[PayasYouRace]

At first I used to think Jenson was harmless but he had his devious ways. one underhanded thing I can remember him doing was in Bahrain 2013 when he had an on track tussle with his team mate then (Sergio Perez)  and after the race Martin Whitmarsh was being interviewed by sky about the incident on track between the McLaren Drivers, next thing you know Jenson comes out of the motorhome and hijacks the interview with his arm around Whitmarsh smiling and laughing and saying something like

 

"Martin what did you tell him (sergio)  to motivate him cos he seems to have taken it to another level or somethign to that effect" 

 

It was strange to see a TP being interviewed about on track issues regarding his 2 drivers and one of them is actually present in the interview with his arms around the TP and more or less discussing the other driver, it was a bit shameful that Whitmarsh tolerated that kind of thing, especially in front of the sky cameras and certainly not fair on Sergio.

 

 

 

Jenson Joins the interview at 2.06

 

I think you're seeing things that aren't there.

 

For a start, Whitmarsh put his arm around Jenson when he turned up. If anything Jenson's presence lightened the mood. You want to shame Whitmarsh for "tolerating" that? If anything he looks like he appreciates being taken out of the spotlight.

[Knowlesy]

Jenson’s comments seem to make sense tbh. I can well imagine Lewis was quite stand-offish and odd. Part of that is the rivalry teammates have but also Lewis was a young man who knew nothing other than motorsport really. Ally that to being inside the McLaren corporate machine the whole time and you have what Jenson described there.

And let’s not forget that their time together encompassed 2011. The less said the better!

Lewis has quite obviously grown more comfortable within himself since leaving the team and that shows in many ways. An even higher level of performance and an assured manner off track. I think if they were to team up tomorrow it would be a very different dynamic, especially as the two so obviously respect each other.

Edited by Knowlesy, 16 October 2017 - 20:43.

[Blocnog]

I always thought Button was a bit of a slimy git and this just adds to that belief, he always seems desperate to big up his results against Hamilton and Alonso which just sings insecurity to me. I think at the end of the day the party that suffered the most was McLaren, Button convinced Witmarsh to put all his chips on him which inadvertently set Lewis up to win far more than he ever would at McLaren. I'd supported McLaren for 20 years til that point but that decision really lost me.

Edited by Blocnog, 16 October 2017 - 20:46.

[PayasYouRace]

I always thought Button was a bit of a slimy git and this just adds to that belief, he always seems desperate to big up his results against Hamilton and Alonso which just sings insecurity to me. I think at the end of the day the party that suffered the most was McLaren, Button convinced Witmarsh to put all his chips on him which inadvertently set Lewis up to win far more than he ever would at McLaren. I'd supported McLaren for 20 years til that point but that decision really lost me.

 

Sometimes I think we have been watching different realities because that didn't happen in mine. The bold in particular.

 

Though I struggle to think of any racing driver who wouldn't want to increase their win and championship tally. That's not insecurity. That's doing their job.

[Lights]

Never thought Jenson would do so well in frustrating people so much many years later over some unexciting quotes.

Such a bastard. I'd say he's even using these evil tactics to promote his book.