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[Tarzaan]

MotoGP 2018 teams & riders:

 

Repsol Honda Team - Honda

Dani Pedrosa

Marc Marquez

 

Ducati Team - Ducati 

Andrea Dovizioso

Jorge Lorenzo

 

Movistar Yamaha MotoGP - Yamaha

Maverick Viñales

Valentino Rossi

 

Red Bull KTM Factory Racing - KTM

Bradley Smith

Pol Espargaró

 

Team Suzuki Ecstar - Suzuki

Andrea Iannone

Álex Rins

 

Aprilia Racing Team Gresini - Aprilia

Aleix Espargaró

Scott Redding

 

Monster Yamaha Tech 3 - Yamaha

Johann Zarco

Jonas Folger

 

Octo Pramac Racing - Ducati 

Danilo Petrucci

Jack Miller

 

LCR Honda - Honda

Takaaki Nakagami

Cal Crutchlow

 

Reale Avintia Racing - Ducati 

Esteve Rabat

Xavier Siméon

 

Pull&Bear Aspar Team - Ducati

Karel Abraham

Álvaro Bautista

 

Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS - Honda

Thomas Lüthi

Franco Morbidelli

 

 

 

calendar:

 

1 18 March Losail International Circuit, Lusail

2 8 April Autódromo Termas de Río Hondo, Santiago del Estero

3 22 April Circuit of the Americas, Austin

4 6 May Circuito de Jerez, Jerez de la Frontera

5 20 May Circuit Bugatti, Le Mans

6 3 June Mugello Circuit, Scarperia e San Piero

7 17 June Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya, Montmeló

8 1 July TT Circuit Assen, Assen

9 15 July Sachsenring, Hohenstein-Ernstthal

10 5 August Automotodrom Brno, Brno

11 12 August Red Bull Ring, Spielberg

12 26 August United Kingdom Octo British Grand Prix TBA

13 9 September Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli, Misano Adriatico

14 23 September Motorland Aragón, Alcañiz

15 7 October Buriram United International Circuit

16 21 October Twin Ring Motegi, Motegi

17 28 October Phillip Island Grand Prix Circuit, Phillip Island

18 4 November Sepang International Circuit, Selangor

19 18 November Circuit Ricardo Tormo, Valencia

 

https://en.wikipedia...8_MotoGP_season

 

Moto2:

https://en.wikipedia...eams_and_riders

 

http://www.crash.net...to3-entry-lists

 

 

SBK 2018 teams & riders

 

 

Kawasaki Racing Team (Provec)

Jonathan Rea

Tom Sykes

 

Aruba.it Racing Ducati

Chaz Davies

Marco Melandri

 

Pata Yamaha Official WorldSBK Team (Crescent)

Alex Lowes

Michael Van de Mark

 

Millwaukee Aprilia SMR

Eugene Laverty

Lorenzo Savadori

 

Honda World Superbike Team (Ten Kate)

Leon Camier

Jacob Gagne

 

MV Agusta Reparto Corse (Forward Racing)

Jordi Torres

 

Althea BMW Racing Team

Loris Baz

 

Kawasaki Puccetti Racing

Toprak Razgatlioglu

 

Triple-M Honda

P.J. Jacobsen

 

BARNI Racing Ducati

Javier Forés

 

Team Kawasaki GO ELEVEN 

Romain Ramos

 

Orelac VerdNatura Kawasaki

Leandro Mercado

 

Guandalini Yamaha

Ondrej Jezek

 

Pedercini Racing SC-Project Kawasaki

Yonni Hernandez

 

Grillini Racing Team Suzuki

Roberto Rolfo

Gabriele Ruiu

 

 

gone/defunct:

IODARacing Project Aprilia

VFT Racing Ducati

 

 

Provisional WorldSBK Calendar 2018

 

26/27th February – Australia – Phillip Island

Mid-late March - Thailand - Buriram

April – Aragon - Spain

April – Assen - Netherlands

April/May – Imola – Italy (some indicate Imola before Assen, but probably not)

26/27th May – Donington - UK

9/10th June – Brno – Czech Republic

June – Misano – Riviera Di Rimini

Early July – Laguna Seca - USA

Early September – San Juan Argentina (Jerez will replace if new circuit not ready).

Magny Cours – France – hoping to be moved earlier in the season than now.

Mid-September – Portimao – Portugal

Mid-October – Losail – Qatar

 

 

WSS 2018 teams & riders

 

GRT Yamaha Official WorldSSP Team

Lucas Mahias

Federico Caricasulo

 

Kallio Racing Yamaha

Loris Cresson 

Sandro Cortese

 

NRT Yamaha

Jules Cluzel 

Thomas Gradinger

 

BARDAHL Evan Bros WorldSSP Yamaha

Randy Krummenacher

 

GMT94 Yamaha

Mike di Meglio

 

Kawasaki Puccetti Racing

Keenan Sogouglu

Hikari Okubo

 

Team GoEleven Kawasaki

Michael Canducci

Lachlan Epis

 

EAB Antwest Racingn Kawasaki

Anthony West

 

Orelac Racing VerdNatura Kawasaki

Nacho Calero 

 

CIA Landlords Insurance Honda (PTR)

Niki Tuuli

Andrew Irwin

 

GEMAR Team Lorini Honda

Kyle Smith

Jaimie van Sikkelerus

 

WilSport Racedays Honda

Hannes Soomer

 

MV Agusta Reparto corse by VAMAG

Raffaele De Rosa

Ayrton Badovini

 

Profile Racing Triumph

Luke Stapleford

Stefan Hill

 

 

ESS

 

 

Scuola Italiana Piloti MV Agusta

Christian Gamarino

Walter Sulis

 

SSP Hungary Racing Kawasaki

Alex Bassiani

Peter sebestyen

 

GRT Yamaha Official WorldSSP Junior Team

Alfonso Coppola

 

Team Hartog - Against Cancer - Kawasaki

Robert Hartog

 

MTM/Wayne Racing Team Kawasaki

Wayne Tessels

 

http://resources.wor...dSSP_2018_2.pdf

Edited by Tarzaan, 31 January 2018 - 11:21.

[Tarzaan]

I screw the thread title. I send a report to the moderation and ask help :S

[goingthedistance]

Fixed for you Tarzaan. 

[Tarzaan]

Fixed for you Tarzaan. 

 

Thank you, that was fast!

[LucaP]

Wasn't Kimyring in Finland supposed to have a race?

[Tarzaan]

Yeah, I also remember that, but I find this on wiki:

 

 

In July 2017, Kymi Ring and Dorna Sports, the commercial rights holder of MotoGP, signed a five-year contract for organising the Finnish Grand Prix. The first Finnish Grand Prix is due to take place in 2019.

 

https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Kymi_Ring

 

BTW it is Kymi Ring, imho after it's location:

https://en.wikipedia...iki/Kymenlaakso

Edited by Tarzaan, 24 October 2017 - 17:44.

[Tarzaan]

Oh Jesus. I just read the new SBK rules - in hungarian. Dorna desperately wants to kill this championsip.

 

Here is short anarticle about it in english:

http://www.worldsbk....ld Championship

 

The base rev limits by manufacturers: 

 

Aprilia, BMW, MV Agusta, Suzuki, Yamaha: 14700

Honda: 14300

Kawasaki: 14100

Ducati: 12400

 

http://www.p1race.hu...balyok_20171025

[chunder27]

Lol, ban electronics, that would fix a lot of the problems.

 

there is nothing else.

 

A decent electronics package and engineers costs more than running most teams in SBK, so start there eh.

[Tarzaan]

Lol, ban electronics, that would fix a lot of the problems.

 

there is nothing else.

 

A decent electronics package and engineers costs more than running most teams in SBK, so start there eh.

 

Product/street legal versions has advanced electonics, so it would be weird if the race versions would be less developed/advanced...

Edited by Tarzaan, 26 October 2017 - 20:39.

[Tarzaan]

Althea will continue with BMW in 2018. They are waiting for the new rules.

They doesn't have contracted riders, but the article mentions Loris Baz and Javier Fores.

 

 

http://www.speedweek...itermachen.html

[Tarzaan]

Official.

Randy Krummenacher - SSP 600 -  Evan Bros Team ***

 

http://www.speedweek...SP-WM-2018.html

 

 

Sylvain Guintoli has 2 options for 2018:

Puccetti Kawasaki in SBK (without factory support) or Bennets Suzuki in BSB + the Suzuki MotoGP test team.

 

http://www.speedweek...ptet-luegt.html

 

 

***

So these will be the 4 factory supported Yamaha WSS teams:

 

Giansanti Racing Team (GRT) Yamaha

Lucas Mahias

Federico Caricasulo

 

Kallio Racing Yamaha

Sheridan Morais

Niki Tuuli

 

Team Nerds Racing Yamaha

Jules Cluzel 

Thomas Gradinger

 

Evan Bros Team Yamaha

Randy Krummenacher

Christian Gamarino

Edited by Tarzaan, 27 October 2017 - 18:09.

[Tarzaan]

Guintoli is also negotiating for the Red Bull Ten Kate Honda ride (just like Bradl and Gagne)

http://www.speedweek...und-Suzuki.html

[Tarzaan]

It seems not 'm the onlyone who think that the main aim of the new SBK rules to force out of the the factory teams from the series and turn it to a cheap TCR like series.

 

http://www.speedweek...Werksteams.html

 

If there will be no factoryteams there will be no teams who can pay decent salary to proper riders.

Edited by Tarzaan, 29 October 2017 - 20:10.

[chunder27]

What on earth is wrong with that? I would think Rea Sykes et al are probably getting paid more than everyone in MotoGP other than the factory Yam, Honda and Ducati riders anyway. How can that be right in such a woeful series.

 

It is exactly BECAUSE Kawasaki and Ducaii are are full factory teams that the racing has been garbage, the crowds are abysmal and no-one is even the slightest bit interested in the series, apart from you bless you. A guy on an MV built down some blokes shed can get top 6 places routinely!  Its boring, predictable and the guy doing it all is quite happy picking up a pay cheque than pushing himself. Its like AMA when Mladin was winning.

 

Factory teams used to work in SBK, but the world has changed it was bigger than 500 racing back then, MotoGP has expanded to be closing in on F1 as the premier motorsport that FANS watch, factories want that, not a two bit amateur series.

[Risil]

Zarco 4 world championship

[Tarzaan]

What on earth is wrong with that? I would think Rea Sykes et al are probably getting paid more than everyone in MotoGP other than the factory Yam, Honda and Ducati riders anyway. How can that be right in such a woeful series.

 

It is exactly BECAUSE Kawasaki and Ducaii are are full factory teams that the racing has been garbage, the crowds are abysmal and no-one is even the slightest bit interested in the series, apart from you bless you. A guy on an MV built down some blokes shed can get top 6 places routinely!  Its boring, predictable and the guy doing it all is quite happy picking up a pay cheque than pushing himself. Its like AMA when Mladin was winning.

 

Factory teams used to work in SBK, but the world has changed it was bigger than 500 racing back then, MotoGP has expanded to be closing in on F1 as the premier motorsport that FANS watch, factories want that, not a two bit amateur series.

 

No.

 

The racing is garbage, because other teams put so few effort to their project. The Kawsaki and the Ducati represents the standard what this championship need.

 

Before Dorna stepst their smelly feet to the SBK in order to minorize the rival of their prefered MotoGP, other competitors put the necessary level to their projects too. 

 

"The world is changed". No. The series owner is changed. And MotoGP could grow in the past 15 years because they steel the rules of the Superbike.

[chunder27]

Oh cmon

 

You cannot complete with the money Kawasaki and Ducati are spending. They are spending budgets that probably match Avintia and Marc VDSMotoGP teams.

 

What do you think MV are spending!!

 

Dorna I agree have not helped, but it was falling apart long before they got involved in it. 

 

Get rid of Superbikes, make them Superstock on slicks with better forks, exhausts suspension etc, spec clectronics with no TC and stuff, sped tyres.

 

Naked class

 

Something to replace 600

 

and they moved in the right way with the 300 class

 

That is what they need, not cow towing to Kawasaki and Ducati coz they spent and invested, that's their problem, not Dorna's

[Tarzaan]

Oh cmon

 

You cannot complete with the money Kawasaki and Ducati are spending. They are spending budgets that probably match Avintia and Marc VDSMotoGP teams.

 

What do you think MV are spending!!

 

Dorna I agree have not helped, but it was falling apart long before they got involved in it. 

 

Get rid of Superbikes, make them Superstock on slicks with better forks, exhausts suspension etc, spec clectronics with no TC and stuff, sped tyres.

 

Naked class

 

Something to replace 600

 

and they moved in the right way with the 300 class

 

That is what they need, not cow towing to Kawasaki and Ducati coz they spent and invested, that's their problem, not Dorna's

 

What is the problem?

 

Before the Dorna steps in other factory teams also spend at this level, and it'sormal, because they do developement work not just racing. A private team just do racing even in the GP.

 

I don't know how much MV Agusta spending, this is their problem. But they just shut down their SSP factory team.

 

Why do you want to turn the Superbike to superstock? Superstock already exist since decades, and nobody gives a ***about that category.

 

+ if you force the teams to race with stock bikes that means much more onesided racing, because teams hase marginal space to develope their homologizated production bikes.

 

Superbike rules give a chance to the manufacturers to race with their 4 or 5 years old models, and not to have to develop new base models for racing, because they have space to develope. Thats why Honda sucks since the Evo rules, because they tied to their street version bike.

 

300 class will never raplace the 600 class.SSP bikes has about 130bhp, 300 bikes about a half or less. SSP = Moto2 300class = Moto3. 300 class is only fit to close the place in the race weekend schedule.

 

Naked bikes.

 

Were can the private teams paint their sponsors logo?

Edited by Tarzaan, 31 October 2017 - 17:42.

[Tarzaan]

MV Agusta close down their SSP factory effort. Next year they will concentrate t their single WSB bike but contiunie to cooperate with the Vamag team in WSS.

http://www.speedweek...usgelagert.html

[Tarzaan]

Guintoli said no to Puccetti Racing

http://www.speedweek...-abblitzen.html

Dorna pressure the team to deal with Loris Baz

 

Mercado fix in Orelac VerdNatura Kawasaki

http://www.speedweek...M-2018-auf.html

 

Itt seems Bradl will not continue with the Ten Kate honda. Gagne and Baz are the candidates. 

http://www.speedweek...Honda-2018.html

 

Pedercini want Yonni Hernandet for 2018

http://www.speedweek...i-Kawasaki.html

 

German HPC Power Suzuki wants to enter 2 Suzuki next year.

http://www.speedweek...WM-genannt.html

Theyare wainting for Dorna's accept.

 

According to Eurosport commentators West could ride with Jacobsens MV next season.

Edited by Tarzaan, 05 November 2017 - 19:03.

[Tarzaan]

Althea Racing will enter only one bike in 2018:

http://www.speedweek...RR-im-Feld.html

[chunder27]

Are Dorna paying you to do this? 

[Tarzaan]

To bashing them?

[Tarzaan]

MotoGP Teams & Riders, all 3 cathegory

 

http://www.crash.net...to3-entry-lists

 

http://www.p1race.hu...stajat_20171109

[Tarzaan]

Loris Baz - Althea BMW

http://www.speedweek...und-grinst.html

+

 

translated byGoogle:

 

Except for the team HPC-Power Suzuki by Denis Hertrampf, all applicants for the Superbike World Cup 2018 have received an acceptance or refusal from Promoter Dorna. The reprieve ends next Monday.

In 2018 we will certainly see two new teams in the Superbike World Championship: Orelac VerdNatura Kawasaki with Leandro Mercado and Triple-M Honda with Patrick Jacobsen.

 

The third team could be HPC-Power Suzuki from Denis Hertrampf. The North German got the Dorna a deadline until next Monday granted, then his budget for 2018 must be. If that succeeds, the sponsorship negotiations are in full swing, then we will not only see two Suzuki GSX-R1000R in the World Cup, but also a Swiss with Dominic Schmitter.

 

If Suzuki Japan's support turns out to be what Hertrampf thinks, then former World Champion Sylvain Guintoli is the ideal candidate for the second machine. The Frenchman has been working for months on a contract as a Suzuki MotoGP test driver. This work could be combined with the start in the Superbike World Championship.

 

***

 

Kawasaki team principal Lucio Pedercini would like to work with Yonny Hernandez, but the Colombian is uncertain about the competitiveness of the material. Hernandez is scheduled to test for Pedercini in Jerez at the end of November, after which he will decide. If no deal is made, Davide Giugliano could come to the train.

 

http://www.speedweek...Zeit-davon.html

 

 

So it seems Ioda Racing is gone

[Tarzaan]

Grillini will race with Suzuki next year (with zero factory support).

http://www.speedweek...2018-dabei.html

[DS27]

Moto 2 should be interesting next year, even though KTM could be dominant. 

 

Marquez, Oliveira, Binder, Bagnaia, Pasini, Lowes & Barbera will all be in with a shout and of course Mir should not be ruled out.

[Atreiu]

I think a lot depends on how quickly Fenati and Mir adapt to the bigger bikes. Sure Oliveira should win a lot, but maybe not dominate entirely.

 

And let's not forget Binder. And Lowes... He'll crash but he'll also be fast.

[Tarzaan]

SBK rev limits for 2018

 

Aprilia 14.700/min

BMW 14.700/min

MV Agusta 14.700/min

Yamaha 14.700/min

Suzuki 14.700/min

Honda 14.300/min

Kawasaki 14.100/min

Ducati Twin 12.400/min

 

 

The situation in 2017:

 

Aprilia 15.800/min

Kawasaki 15.200/min

Yamaha 15.000/min

BMW 14.800/min

Suzuki 14.800/min

MV Agusta 14.500/min

Honda 14.350/min

Ducati Twin 13.200/min

 

The change:

 

Aprilia -1100/min

Kawasaki -1100/min

Ducati -800/min

Yamaha -300/min

BMW -100/min

Suzuki -100/min

Honda -50/min

MV Agusta +200/min

 

 

After every 3 event the rev limits will be modified depending the performance of the bikes by +/- 250/min.

 

Source::

http://www.speedweek...ich-drehen.html

 

Imho this kind of BoP sístem isa very unfair way to balanced a competition. 

[chunder27]

They have to do something as right now SBK is a very unwatchable, boring affair.

 

They did this in the past with restrictiors, so it could be OK, amazed Ducati and Kawasaki agreed to it without throwing their toys.

When the new rules came in 2003 they all disappeared in a huff, but to be fair MotoGP was new then and a lot of money was going there to develop bikes.

 

But the market has changed now, sports bikes are no longer the biggest sellers for all makes, so budgets are harder to find

[realracer200]

Interesting idea. In my opinion it will only work on the faster circuits, on slower circuits those changes will not make much of a difference.

[realracer200]

Those numbers are weird by the way. Wasn't for example Ducati faster than the Aprilia this season?

[Tarzaan]

They have to do something as right now SBK is a very unwatchable, boring affair.

 

They did this in the past with restrictiors, so it could be OK, amazed Ducati and Kawasaki agreed to it without throwing their toys.

When the new rules came in 2003 they all disappeared in a huff, but to be fair MotoGP was new then and a lot of money was going there to develop bikes.

 

But the market has changed now, sports bikes are no longer the biggest sellers for all makes, so budgets are harder to find

 

SBK sucks since Dorna introduce the EVO rules.

Edited by Tarzaan, 14 November 2017 - 15:59.

[JRodrigues]

So.. Zarco fastest so far on the 2017 Yamaha?

[Atreiu]

Apparently Zarco was on a 2017 bike and Maverick on a 2016. And I think Rossi trashed a 2016 bike. It must be incredibly confusing for the guys in the Yamaha garage.

[Tarzaan]

Apparently Zarco was on a 2017 bike and Maverick on a 2016. And I think Rossi trashed a 2016 bike. It must be incredibly confusing for the guys in the Yamaha garage.

 

Vinales take his fastest lap with a 2016 bike and a 2018 engine combo. 

 

Zarco's time is inpressive. A bit slower then his qualy lap, but almost half a sec faster then the factory riders + it was his first try with the 2017 model. Yamahashould give him a 2018 modell if they want to fight for the title.

 

Miller was also impressive.

 

Espargaro continues his good form in the aprilia. A hope next season he can finish their races after the flag.

 

Reddig starts definately better than Lowes on that Aprilia.

[Tarzaan]

Private teams sour: New Superbike rule a disadvantage?

 

Some private teams worried about the new tech rules. Go Eleven team boss said if the factory Kawa riders wil lbe fast, the "rev limit penalty" will effect on their performance too.

 

Ducati boss Gigi Dall'Igna also expressed their concern about the new regulations. He said they put a lot of resources to their project, but with this new rules to run a factory team and developement might be pointless.

 

Full article in german:

http://www.speedweek...n-Nachteil.html

[DS27]

I have a suspicion Tom Sykes may not be very happy right now, and there's a man who already thought the world was against him.

[Ncedi]

Crutchlow and Marquez already quite happy with the Honda engine and it’s electronics...now that is ominous

If the others don’t step up and the engine is that good, we’re in for another 2014 all over again after some classics. Even as a Marquez fan, I don’t want that

[messy]

Zarco made a hell of a case for himself recently on the 2017 Yamaha.

 

If Yamaha give him the right backing, he could be a real factor next season couldn't he? He had a brilliant rookie season, damn near won in Valencia and looks like a ready made title contender where Vinales has for me struggled to convince badly after that first handful of races. At the moment Yamaha have an ageing Rossi who I doubt will be a factor in the title battle and Vinales - their strongest rider may well be the one on the satellite bike. It's not an easy situation for them really. 

[chunder27]

They tested countless chassis over the two days.

 

So I wouldn't read too much into the results from Valencia. Zarco would have just been on the newer bike, not the 16 bike he was using all year.

 

The factory riders tested all sorts of stuff, as you can imagine with their troubled year.

[realracer200]

When was the last time a rookie on a satellite bike showed the level of competitiveness that Zarco showed this season? And the way he was immediately fast on the 2017 bike was again really impressive.

[Tarzaan]

I have a suspicion Tom Sykes may not be very happy right now, and there's a man who already thought the world was against him.

 

I think Sykes not happy since Rea arrives to the team.

 

***

As we suspected Jack Gagne wil lride the secong Ten Kate Honda.

Bradl will be a HRC test and spare rider.

http://www.speedweek...Jake-Gagne.html

 

Baz is also official on the Althea BMW

http://www.speedweek...uer-Althea.html

 

So all "factory" rides are filled.

Edited by Tarzaan, 16 November 2017 - 11:45.

[Tarzaan]

When was the last time a rookie on a satellite bike showed the level of competitiveness that Zarco showed this season? And the way he was immediately fast on the 2017 bike was again really impressive.

 

Biaggi in 1998. But he was way better then Zarco, he almost won the championship.

 

Stoner was also fast but with lot of DNFs.

 

No others with your criterea I found in the last 15-20 season.

[chunder27]

Biaggi was not on a satellite bike, it was a full 98 spec Honda run by Erv Kanemoto. The deal did come together late but his bike was not a 97 bike or anything. it just wasn't a Repsol bike, but at that time would have been the same as Doohan's (other than Max not wanting the screamer spec engine Mick ran, he never ran it I think, and would never want to).  Him winning for me on that is the same as Crafar, McCoy, Abe winning on Yamaha's for their teams in the same period.

.

I think Barros and Capirossi won races in 99/00 on year old bikes run by Pons. Can't recall sadly of they were year old, might only have been 99 and not 2000.

Stoner I am not so sure, that bike was a 2006 bike as far as I know. But these guys were not rookies really.

 

Crafar winning in 98 was a rookie win and he was superb for several races though he did a few GP's before that and a half season on 250's.

 

Saarinen apparently in the 70's was on a private bike when he did well.

Edited by chunder27, 16 November 2017 - 12:58.

[GSiebert]

When was the last time a rookie on a satellite bike showed the level of competitiveness that Zarco showed this season? And the way he was immediately fast on the 2017 bike was again really impressive.

Spies maybe ? Zarco was helped by the fact that all teams seemed to struggle with the tires at some points of the season whereas Spies arrived when factory Yamaha & Honda factory riders had a very clear edge over the rest of the grid.

Edited by GSiebert, 16 November 2017 - 14:04.

[Tarzaan]

Biaggi was not on a satellite bike, it was a full 98 spec Honda run by Erv Kanemoto. The deal did come together late but his bike was not a 97 bike or anything. it just wasn't a Repsol bike, but at that time would have been the same as Doohan's (other than Max not wanting the screamer spec engine Mick ran, he never ran it I think, and would never want to).  Him winning for me on that is the same as Crafar, McCoy, Abe winning on Yamaha's for their teams in the same period.

.

I think Barros and Capirossi won races in 99/00 on year old bikes run by Pons. Can't recall sadly of they were year old, might only have been 99 and not 2000.

Stoner I am not so sure, that bike was a 2006 bike as far as I know. But these guys were not rookies really.

 

Crafar winning in 98 was a rookie win and he was superb for several races though he did a few GP's before that and a half season on 250's.

 

Saarinen apparently in the 70's was on a private bike when he did well.

 

OMG.

 

That was not a full factory spec Honda. It was more or less the same spec that the MovieStar Pont team runs in 98 (Checa and Kochinski)

 

Crafar's win was a rookie win and more important that was a Dunlop win.

[Tarzaan]

SBK Jerez test, day 1

 

 

 

 

http://www.speedweek...rk-auf-BMW.html

 

Rea was about 0,7 sec slower then a month agi in the superpole.I don't know they use the bike with the rev limit or not.

 

1sec gap behind the factory Kawa's, but the others are close to each other.

 

 

Hernandez still doesn't signed his contract. his bike was 2017 spec with no rev limit.

http://www.speedweek...rtrag-nein.html

[chunder27]

Tarzaan are you serious?

 

You do know who Erv Kanemoto was don't you?  Probably the best two stroke tuner ever and heavily linked to HRC olver several seasons, in fact running Rothmans bikes on several occasions.

 

The bike was a full 98 spec bike.  There was hardly any difference between factory Honda's in those days, they were leased out to whoever wanted one and Erv managed to secure Max a couple with heavy backing from Marlboro and others, just as he had with Cadalora a few years before. the NSR from 94-98 was hardly changed, Mick did not need to change it.

 

The bike was a full spec as any other factory NSR at the time. It wasn't a Repsol bike., but was certainly not below spec or years behind what Mick was riding.

 

The ONLY difference would have been the firing order, Mick was using the screamer unit by then, even his team-mates rejected it and I am sure Max could have tried it if he wanted to.

[ehagar]

And in other news, Josh Hayes steps aside to be a Yamaha test rider. Garrett Gerloff is taking his slot.

 

I like Josh Hayes. My Dad and I talked to him a few times back when I used to go the WSBK races in Utah. Class guy