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#1 Tarzaan

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Posted 24 October 2017 - 15:43

MotoGP 2018 teams & riders:
 
Repsol Honda Team - Honda
Dani Pedrosa
Marc Marquez
 
Ducati Team - Ducati 
Andrea Dovizioso
Jorge Lorenzo
 
Movistar Yamaha MotoGP - Yamaha
Maverick Viñales
Valentino Rossi
 
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing - KTM
Bradley Smith
Pol Espargaró
 
Team Suzuki Ecstar - Suzuki
Andrea Iannone
Álex Rins
 
Aprilia Racing Team Gresini - Aprilia
Aleix Espargaró
Scott Redding
 
Monster Yamaha Tech 3 - Yamaha
Johann Zarco
Jonas Folger
 
Octo Pramac Racing - Ducati 
Danilo Petrucci
Jack Miller
 
LCR Honda - Honda
Takaaki Nakagami
Cal Crutchlow
 
Reale Avintia Racing - Ducati 
Esteve Rabat
Xavier Siméon
 
Pull&Bear Aspar Team - Ducati
Karel Abraham
Álvaro Bautista
 
Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS - Honda
Thomas Lüthi
Franco Morbidelli
 
 
 
calendar:
 
1 18 March Losail International Circuit, Lusail
2 8 April Autódromo Termas de Río Hondo, Santiago del Estero
3 22 April Circuit of the Americas, Austin
4 6 May Circuito de Jerez, Jerez de la Frontera
5 20 May Circuit Bugatti, Le Mans
6 3 June Mugello Circuit, Scarperia e San Piero
7 17 June Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya, Montmeló
8 1 July TT Circuit Assen, Assen
9 15 July Sachsenring, Hohenstein-Ernstthal
10 5 August Automotodrom Brno, Brno
11 12 August Red Bull Ring, Spielberg
12 26 August United Kingdom Octo British Grand Prix TBA
13 9 September Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli, Misano Adriatico
14 23 September Motorland Aragón, Alcañiz
15 7 October Buriram United International Circuit
16 21 October Twin Ring Motegi, Motegi
17 28 October Phillip Island Grand Prix Circuit, Phillip Island
18 4 November Sepang International Circuit, Selangor
19 18 November Circuit Ricardo Tormo, Valencia
 
 
Moto2:
 
 
 
SBK 2018 teams & riders
 
 
Kawasaki Racing Team (Provec)
Jonathan Rea
Tom Sykes
 
Aruba.it Racing Ducati
Chaz Davies
Marco Melandri
 
Pata Yamaha Official WorldSBK Team (Crescent)
Alex Lowes
Michael Van de Mark
 
Millwaukee Aprilia SMR
Eugene Laverty
Lorenzo Savadori
 
Honda World Superbike Team (Ten Kate)
Leon Camier
Jacob Gagne
 
MV Agusta Reparto Corse (Forward Racing)
Jordi Torres
 
Althea BMW Racing Team
Loris Baz
 
Kawasaki Puccetti Racing
Toprak Razgatlioglu
 
Triple-M Honda
P.J. Jacobsen
 
BARNI Racing Ducati
Javier Forés
 
Team Kawasaki GO ELEVEN 
Romain Ramos
 
Orelac VerdNatura Kawasaki
Leandro Mercado
 
Guandalini Yamaha
Ondrej Jezek
 
Pedercini Racing SC-Project Kawasaki
Yonni Hernandez
 
Grillini Racing Team Suzuki
Roberto Rolfo
Gabriele Ruiu
 
 
gone/defunct:
IODARacing Project Aprilia
VFT Racing Ducati
 
 
Provisional WorldSBK Calendar 2018
 
26/27th February – Australia – Phillip Island
Mid-late March - Thailand - Buriram
April – Aragon - Spain
April – Assen - Netherlands
April/May – Imola – Italy (some indicate Imola before Assen, but probably not)
26/27th May – Donington - UK
9/10th June – Brno – Czech Republic
June – Misano – Riviera Di Rimini
Early July – Laguna Seca - USA
Early September – San Juan Argentina (Jerez will replace if new circuit not ready).
Magny Cours – France – hoping to be moved earlier in the season than now.
Mid-September – Portimao – Portugal
Mid-October – Losail – Qatar

 

 

WSS 2018 teams & riders

 
GRT Yamaha Official WorldSSP Team
Lucas Mahias
Federico Caricasulo
 
Kallio Racing Yamaha
Loris Cresson 
Sandro Cortese
 
NRT Yamaha
Jules Cluzel 
Thomas Gradinger
 
BARDAHL Evan Bros WorldSSP Yamaha
Randy Krummenacher
 
GMT94 Yamaha
Mike di Meglio
 
Kawasaki Puccetti Racing
Keenan Sogouglu
Hikari Okubo
 
Team GoEleven Kawasaki
Michael Canducci
Lachlan Epis
 
EAB Antwest Racingn Kawasaki
Anthony West
 
Orelac Racing VerdNatura Kawasaki
Nacho Calero 
 
CIA Landlords Insurance Honda (PTR)
Niki Tuuli
Andrew Irwin
 
GEMAR Team Lorini Honda
Kyle Smith
Jaimie van Sikkelerus
 
WilSport Racedays Honda
Hannes Soomer
 
MV Agusta Reparto corse by VAMAG
Raffaele De Rosa
Ayrton Badovini
 
Profile Racing Triumph
Luke Stapleford
Stefan Hill
 
 
ESS
 
 
Scuola Italiana Piloti MV Agusta
Christian Gamarino
Walter Sulis
 
SSP Hungary Racing Kawasaki
Alex Bassiani
Peter sebestyen
 
GRT Yamaha Official WorldSSP Junior Team
Alfonso Coppola
 
Team Hartog - Against Cancer - Kawasaki
Robert Hartog
 
MTM/Wayne Racing Team Kawasaki
Wayne Tessels
 

Edited by Tarzaan, 31 January 2018 - 11:21.


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#2 Tarzaan

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Posted 24 October 2017 - 15:47

I screw the thread title. I send a report to the moderation and ask help :S



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Posted 24 October 2017 - 15:50

Fixed for you Tarzaan. 



#4 Tarzaan

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Posted 24 October 2017 - 15:54

Fixed for you Tarzaan. 

 

Thank you, that was fast!



#5 Luca Pacchiarini

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Posted 24 October 2017 - 16:31

Wasn't Kimyring in Finland supposed to have a race?

#6 Tarzaan

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Posted 24 October 2017 - 17:43

Yeah, I also remember that, but I find this on wiki:
 
 
In July 2017, Kymi Ring and Dorna Sports, the commercial rights holder of MotoGP, signed a five-year contract for organising the Finnish Grand Prix. The first Finnish Grand Prix is due to take place in 2019.
 
 
BTW it is Kymi Ring, imho after it's location:

Edited by Tarzaan, 24 October 2017 - 17:44.


#7 Tarzaan

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 19:35

Oh Jesus. I just read the new SBK rules - in hungarian. Dorna desperately wants to kill this championsip.

 

Here is short anarticle about it in english:

http://www.worldsbk....ld Championship

 

The base rev limits by manufacturers: 

 

Aprilia, BMW, MV Agusta, Suzuki, Yamaha: 14700
Honda: 14300
Kawasaki: 14100
Ducati: 12400
 

http://www.p1race.hu...balyok_20171025



#8 chunder27

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 07:16

Lol, ban electronics, that would fix a lot of the problems.

 

there is nothing else.

 

A decent electronics package and engineers costs more than running most teams in SBK, so start there eh.



#9 Tarzaan

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 20:27

Lol, ban electronics, that would fix a lot of the problems.

 

there is nothing else.

 

A decent electronics package and engineers costs more than running most teams in SBK, so start there eh.

 

Product/street legal versions has advanced electonics, so it would be weird if the race versions would be less developed/advanced...


Edited by Tarzaan, 26 October 2017 - 20:39.


#10 Tarzaan

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 21:13

Althea will continue with BMW in 2018. They are waiting for the new rules.

They doesn't have contracted riders, but the article mentions Loris Baz and Javier Fores.

 

 

http://www.speedweek...itermachen.html



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Posted 27 October 2017 - 18:02

Official.

Randy Krummenacher - SSP 600 -  Evan Bros Team ***

 

http://www.speedweek...SP-WM-2018.html

 

 

Sylvain Guintoli has 2 options for 2018:

Puccetti Kawasaki in SBK (without factory support) or Bennets Suzuki in BSB + the Suzuki MotoGP test team.

 

http://www.speedweek...ptet-luegt.html

 

 

***

So these will be the 4 factory supported Yamaha WSS teams:

 

Giansanti Racing Team (GRT) Yamaha
Lucas Mahias
Federico Caricasulo
 
Kallio Racing Yamaha
Sheridan Morais
Niki Tuuli
 
Team Nerds Racing Yamaha
Jules Cluzel 
Thomas Gradinger
 
Evan Bros Team Yamaha
Randy Krummenacher
Christian Gamarino

Edited by Tarzaan, 27 October 2017 - 18:09.


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Posted 28 October 2017 - 16:27

Guintoli is also negotiating for the Red Bull Ten Kate Honda ride (just like Bradl and Gagne)

http://www.speedweek...und-Suzuki.html



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Posted 29 October 2017 - 20:09

It seems not 'm the onlyone who think that the main aim of the new SBK rules to force out of the the factory teams from the series and turn it to a cheap TCR like series.

 

http://www.speedweek...Werksteams.html

 

If there will be no factoryteams there will be no teams who can pay decent salary to proper riders.


Edited by Tarzaan, 29 October 2017 - 20:10.


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Posted 29 October 2017 - 21:11

What on earth is wrong with that? I would think Rea Sykes et al are probably getting paid more than everyone in MotoGP other than the factory Yam, Honda and Ducati riders anyway. How can that be right in such a woeful series.

 

It is exactly BECAUSE Kawasaki and Ducaii are are full factory teams that the racing has been garbage, the crowds are abysmal and no-one is even the slightest bit interested in the series, apart from you bless you. A guy on an MV built down some blokes shed can get top 6 places routinely!  Its boring, predictable and the guy doing it all is quite happy picking up a pay cheque than pushing himself. Its like AMA when Mladin was winning.

 

Factory teams used to work in SBK, but the world has changed it was bigger than 500 racing back then, MotoGP has expanded to be closing in on F1 as the premier motorsport that FANS watch, factories want that, not a two bit amateur series.



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Posted 29 October 2017 - 21:11

Zarco 4 world championship



#16 Tarzaan

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 10:02

What on earth is wrong with that? I would think Rea Sykes et al are probably getting paid more than everyone in MotoGP other than the factory Yam, Honda and Ducati riders anyway. How can that be right in such a woeful series.

 

It is exactly BECAUSE Kawasaki and Ducaii are are full factory teams that the racing has been garbage, the crowds are abysmal and no-one is even the slightest bit interested in the series, apart from you bless you. A guy on an MV built down some blokes shed can get top 6 places routinely!  Its boring, predictable and the guy doing it all is quite happy picking up a pay cheque than pushing himself. Its like AMA when Mladin was winning.

 

Factory teams used to work in SBK, but the world has changed it was bigger than 500 racing back then, MotoGP has expanded to be closing in on F1 as the premier motorsport that FANS watch, factories want that, not a two bit amateur series.

 

No.

 

The racing is garbage, because other teams put so few effort to their project. The Kawsaki and the Ducati represents the standard what this championship need.

 

Before Dorna stepst their smelly feet to the SBK in order to minorize the rival of their prefered MotoGP, other competitors put the necessary level to their projects too. 

 

"The world is changed". No. The series owner is changed. And MotoGP could grow in the past 15 years because they steel the rules of the Superbike.



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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:58

Oh cmon

 

You cannot complete with the money Kawasaki and Ducati are spending. They are spending budgets that probably match Avintia and Marc VDSMotoGP teams.

 

What do you think MV are spending!!

 

Dorna I agree have not helped, but it was falling apart long before they got involved in it. 

 

Get rid of Superbikes, make them Superstock on slicks with better forks, exhausts suspension etc, spec clectronics with no TC and stuff, sped tyres.

 

Naked class

 

Something to replace 600

 

and they moved in the right way with the 300 class

 

That is what they need, not cow towing to Kawasaki and Ducati coz they spent and invested, that's their problem, not Dorna's



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Posted 31 October 2017 - 17:39

Oh cmon

 

You cannot complete with the money Kawasaki and Ducati are spending. They are spending budgets that probably match Avintia and Marc VDSMotoGP teams.

 

What do you think MV are spending!!

 

Dorna I agree have not helped, but it was falling apart long before they got involved in it. 

 

Get rid of Superbikes, make them Superstock on slicks with better forks, exhausts suspension etc, spec clectronics with no TC and stuff, sped tyres.

 

Naked class

 

Something to replace 600

 

and they moved in the right way with the 300 class

 

That is what they need, not cow towing to Kawasaki and Ducati coz they spent and invested, that's their problem, not Dorna's

 

What is the problem?

 

Before the Dorna steps in other factory teams also spend at this level, and it'sormal, because they do developement work not just racing. A private team just do racing even in the GP.

 

I don't know how much MV Agusta spending, this is their problem. But they just shut down their SSP factory team.

 

Why do you want to turn the Superbike to superstock? Superstock already exist since decades, and nobody gives a ***about that category.

 

+ if you force the teams to race with stock bikes that means much more onesided racing, because teams hase marginal space to develope their homologizated production bikes.

 

Superbike rules give a chance to the manufacturers to race with their 4 or 5 years old models, and not to have to develop new base models for racing, because they have space to develope. Thats why Honda sucks since the Evo rules, because they tied to their street version bike.

 

300 class will never raplace the 600 class.SSP bikes has about 130bhp, 300 bikes about a half or less. SSP = Moto2 300class = Moto3. 300 class is only fit to close the place in the race weekend schedule.

 

Naked bikes.

 

Were can the private teams paint their sponsors logo?


Edited by Tarzaan, 31 October 2017 - 17:42.


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 17:40

MV Agusta close down their SSP factory effort. Next year they will concentrate t their single WSB bike but contiunie to cooperate with the Vamag team in WSS.

http://www.speedweek...usgelagert.html



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#20 Tarzaan

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 18:38

Guintoli said no to Puccetti Racing

http://www.speedweek...-abblitzen.html

Dorna pressure the team to deal with Loris Baz

 

Mercado fix in Orelac VerdNatura Kawasaki

http://www.speedweek...M-2018-auf.html

 

Itt seems Bradl will not continue with the Ten Kate honda. Gagne and Baz are the candidates. 

http://www.speedweek...Honda-2018.html

 

Pedercini want Yonni Hernandet for 2018

http://www.speedweek...i-Kawasaki.html

 

German HPC Power Suzuki wants to enter 2 Suzuki next year.

http://www.speedweek...WM-genannt.html

Theyare wainting for Dorna's accept.

 

According to Eurosport commentators West could ride with Jacobsens MV next season.


Edited by Tarzaan, 05 November 2017 - 19:03.


#21 Tarzaan

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 07:21

Althea Racing will enter only one bike in 2018:

http://www.speedweek...RR-im-Feld.html



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Posted 06 November 2017 - 08:11

Are Dorna paying you to do this? 



#23 Tarzaan

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 08:25

To bashing them?



#24 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 22:50

MotoGP Teams & Riders, all 3 cathegory

 

http://www.crash.net...to3-entry-lists

 

http://www.p1race.hu...stajat_20171109



#25 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 22:59

Loris Baz - Althea BMW

http://www.speedweek...und-grinst.html

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translated byGoogle:

 

Except for the team HPC-Power Suzuki by Denis Hertrampf, all applicants for the Superbike World Cup 2018 have received an acceptance or refusal from Promoter Dorna. The reprieve ends next Monday.
In 2018 we will certainly see two new teams in the Superbike World Championship: Orelac VerdNatura Kawasaki with Leandro Mercado and Triple-M Honda with Patrick Jacobsen.
 
The third team could be HPC-Power Suzuki from Denis Hertrampf. The North German got the Dorna a deadline until next Monday granted, then his budget for 2018 must be. If that succeeds, the sponsorship negotiations are in full swing, then we will not only see two Suzuki GSX-R1000R in the World Cup, but also a Swiss with Dominic Schmitter.
 
If Suzuki Japan's support turns out to be what Hertrampf thinks, then former World Champion Sylvain Guintoli is the ideal candidate for the second machine. The Frenchman has been working for months on a contract as a Suzuki MotoGP test driver. This work could be combined with the start in the Superbike World Championship.

 

***

 

Kawasaki team principal Lucio Pedercini would like to work with Yonny Hernandez, but the Colombian is uncertain about the competitiveness of the material. Hernandez is scheduled to test for Pedercini in Jerez at the end of November, after which he will decide. If no deal is made, Davide Giugliano could come to the train.

 

http://www.speedweek...Zeit-davon.html

 

 

So it seems Ioda Racing is gone :(



#26 Tarzaan

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:51

Grillini will race with Suzuki next year (with zero factory support).

http://www.speedweek...2018-dabei.html



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 14:56

Moto 2 should be interesting next year, even though KTM could be dominant. 

 

Marquez, Oliveira, Binder, Bagnaia, Pasini, Lowes & Barbera will all be in with a shout and of course Mir should not be ruled out.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 15:43

I think a lot depends on how quickly Fenati and Mir adapt to the bigger bikes. Sure Oliveira should win a lot, but maybe not dominate entirely.

 

And let's not forget Binder. And Lowes... He'll crash but he'll also be fast.



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 15:20

SBK rev limits for 2018

 

Aprilia 14.700/min
BMW 14.700/min
MV Agusta 14.700/min
Yamaha 14.700/min
Suzuki 14.700/min
Honda 14.300/min
Kawasaki 14.100/min
Ducati Twin 12.400/min
 
 
The situation in 2017:
 
Aprilia 15.800/min
Kawasaki 15.200/min
Yamaha 15.000/min
BMW 14.800/min
Suzuki 14.800/min
MV Agusta 14.500/min
Honda 14.350/min
Ducati Twin 13.200/min
 
The change:
 
Aprilia -1100/min
Kawasaki -1100/min
Ducati -800/min
Yamaha -300/min
BMW -100/min
Suzuki -100/min
Honda -50/min
MV Agusta +200/min
 
 
After every 3 event the rev limits will be modified depending the performance of the bikes by +/- 250/min.
 
Source::
 
Imho this kind of BoP sístem isa very unfair way to balanced a competition. 


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Posted 14 November 2017 - 15:29

They have to do something as right now SBK is a very unwatchable, boring affair.

 

They did this in the past with restrictiors, so it could be OK, amazed Ducati and Kawasaki agreed to it without throwing their toys.

When the new rules came in 2003 they all disappeared in a huff, but to be fair MotoGP was new then and a lot of money was going there to develop bikes.

 

But the market has changed now, sports bikes are no longer the biggest sellers for all makes, so budgets are harder to find



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 15:33

Interesting idea. In my opinion it will only work on the faster circuits, on slower circuits those changes will not make much of a difference.



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 15:35

Those numbers are weird by the way. Wasn't for example Ducati faster than the Aprilia this season?



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 15:59

They have to do something as right now SBK is a very unwatchable, boring affair.

 

They did this in the past with restrictiors, so it could be OK, amazed Ducati and Kawasaki agreed to it without throwing their toys.

When the new rules came in 2003 they all disappeared in a huff, but to be fair MotoGP was new then and a lot of money was going there to develop bikes.

 

But the market has changed now, sports bikes are no longer the biggest sellers for all makes, so budgets are harder to find

 

SBK sucks since Dorna introduce the EVO rules.


Edited by Tarzaan, 14 November 2017 - 15:59.


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Posted 14 November 2017 - 16:09

So.. Zarco fastest so far on the 2017 Yamaha? :drunk:



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 16:47

Apparently Zarco was on a 2017 bike and Maverick on a 2016. And I think Rossi trashed a 2016 bike. It must be incredibly confusing for the guys in the Yamaha garage.



#36 Tarzaan

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 19:31

Apparently Zarco was on a 2017 bike and Maverick on a 2016. And I think Rossi trashed a 2016 bike. It must be incredibly confusing for the guys in the Yamaha garage.

 

Vinales take his fastest lap with a 2016 bike and a 2018 engine combo. 

 

Zarco's time is inpressive. A bit slower then his qualy lap, but almost half a sec faster then the factory riders + it was his first try with the 2017 model. Yamahashould give him a 2018 modell if they want to fight for the title.

 

Miller was also impressive.

 

Espargaro continues his good form in the aprilia. A hope next season he can finish their races after the flag.

 

Reddig starts definately better than Lowes on that Aprilia.



#37 Tarzaan

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 12:55

Private teams sour: New Superbike rule a disadvantage?

 

Some private teams worried about the new tech rules. Go Eleven team boss said if the factory Kawa riders wil lbe fast, the "rev limit penalty" will effect on their performance too.

 

Ducati boss Gigi Dall'Igna also expressed their concern about the new regulations. He said they put a lot of resources to their project, but with this new rules to run a factory team and developement might be pointless.

 

Full article in german:

http://www.speedweek...n-Nachteil.html



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Posted 15 November 2017 - 20:29

I have a suspicion Tom Sykes may not be very happy right now, and there's a man who already thought the world was against him.



#39 Ncedi

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 04:09

Crutchlow and Marquez already quite happy with the Honda engine and it’s electronics...now that is ominous

If the others don’t step up and the engine is that good, we’re in for another 2014 all over again after some classics. Even as a Marquez fan, I don’t want that

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 07:59

Zarco made a hell of a case for himself recently on the 2017 Yamaha.

 

If Yamaha give him the right backing, he could be a real factor next season couldn't he? He had a brilliant rookie season, damn near won in Valencia and looks like a ready made title contender where Vinales has for me struggled to convince badly after that first handful of races. At the moment Yamaha have an ageing Rossi who I doubt will be a factor in the title battle and Vinales - their strongest rider may well be the one on the satellite bike. It's not an easy situation for them really. 



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Posted 16 November 2017 - 08:25

They tested countless chassis over the two days.

 

So I wouldn't read too much into the results from Valencia. Zarco would have just been on the newer bike, not the 16 bike he was using all year.

 

The factory riders tested all sorts of stuff, as you can imagine with their troubled year.



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Posted 16 November 2017 - 10:51

When was the last time a rookie on a satellite bike showed the level of competitiveness that Zarco showed this season? And the way he was immediately fast on the 2017 bike was again really impressive.



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Posted 16 November 2017 - 11:43

I have a suspicion Tom Sykes may not be very happy right now, and there's a man who already thought the world was against him.

 

I think Sykes not happy since Rea arrives to the team.

 

***

As we suspected Jack Gagne wil lride the secong Ten Kate Honda.

Bradl will be a HRC test and spare rider.

http://www.speedweek...Jake-Gagne.html

 

Baz is also official on the Althea BMW

http://www.speedweek...uer-Althea.html

 

So all "factory" rides are filled.


Edited by Tarzaan, 16 November 2017 - 11:45.


#44 Tarzaan

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 12:03

When was the last time a rookie on a satellite bike showed the level of competitiveness that Zarco showed this season? And the way he was immediately fast on the 2017 bike was again really impressive.

 

Biaggi in 1998. But he was way better then Zarco, he almost won the championship.

 

Stoner was also fast but with lot of DNFs.

 

No others with your criterea I found in the last 15-20 season.



#45 chunder27

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 12:54

Biaggi was not on a satellite bike, it was a full 98 spec Honda run by Erv Kanemoto. The deal did come together late but his bike was not a 97 bike or anything. it just wasn't a Repsol bike, but at that time would have been the same as Doohan's (other than Max not wanting the screamer spec engine Mick ran, he never ran it I think, and would never want to).  Him winning for me on that is the same as Crafar, McCoy, Abe winning on Yamaha's for their teams in the same period.

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I think Barros and Capirossi won races in 99/00 on year old bikes run by Pons. Can't recall sadly of they were year old, might only have been 99 and not 2000.

Stoner I am not so sure, that bike was a 2006 bike as far as I know. But these guys were not rookies really.

 

Crafar winning in 98 was a rookie win and he was superb for several races though he did a few GP's before that and a half season on 250's.

 

Saarinen apparently in the 70's was on a private bike when he did well.


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Posted 16 November 2017 - 13:01

When was the last time a rookie on a satellite bike showed the level of competitiveness that Zarco showed this season? And the way he was immediately fast on the 2017 bike was again really impressive.

Spies maybe ? Zarco was helped by the fact that all teams seemed to struggle with the tires at some points of the season whereas Spies arrived when factory Yamaha & Honda factory riders had a very clear edge over the rest of the grid.


Edited by GSiebert, 16 November 2017 - 14:04.


#47 Tarzaan

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 15:43

Biaggi was not on a satellite bike, it was a full 98 spec Honda run by Erv Kanemoto. The deal did come together late but his bike was not a 97 bike or anything. it just wasn't a Repsol bike, but at that time would have been the same as Doohan's (other than Max not wanting the screamer spec engine Mick ran, he never ran it I think, and would never want to).  Him winning for me on that is the same as Crafar, McCoy, Abe winning on Yamaha's for their teams in the same period.

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I think Barros and Capirossi won races in 99/00 on year old bikes run by Pons. Can't recall sadly of they were year old, might only have been 99 and not 2000.

Stoner I am not so sure, that bike was a 2006 bike as far as I know. But these guys were not rookies really.

 

Crafar winning in 98 was a rookie win and he was superb for several races though he did a few GP's before that and a half season on 250's.

 

Saarinen apparently in the 70's was on a private bike when he did well.

 

OMG.

 

That was not a full factory spec Honda. It was more or less the same spec that the MovieStar Pont team runs in 98 (Checa and Kochinski)

 

Crafar's win was a rookie win and more important that was a Dunlop win.



#48 Tarzaan

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 18:42

SBK Jerez test, day 1

 

 

 

 

http://www.speedweek...rk-auf-BMW.html

 

Rea was about 0,7 sec slower then a month agi in the superpole.I don't know they use the bike with the rev limit or not.

 

1sec gap behind the factory Kawa's, but the others are close to each other.

 

 

Hernandez still doesn't signed his contract. his bike was 2017 spec with no rev limit.

http://www.speedweek...rtrag-nein.html



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Posted 20 November 2017 - 19:51

Tarzaan are you serious?

 

You do know who Erv Kanemoto was don't you?  Probably the best two stroke tuner ever and heavily linked to HRC olver several seasons, in fact running Rothmans bikes on several occasions.

 

The bike was a full 98 spec bike.  There was hardly any difference between factory Honda's in those days, they were leased out to whoever wanted one and Erv managed to secure Max a couple with heavy backing from Marlboro and others, just as he had with Cadalora a few years before. the NSR from 94-98 was hardly changed, Mick did not need to change it.

 

The bike was a full spec as any other factory NSR at the time. It wasn't a Repsol bike., but was certainly not below spec or years behind what Mick was riding.

 

The ONLY difference would have been the firing order, Mick was using the screamer unit by then, even his team-mates rejected it and I am sure Max could have tried it if he wanted to.



#50 ehagar

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 19:55

And in other news, Josh Hayes steps aside to be a Yamaha test rider. Garrett Gerloff is taking his slot.

 

I like Josh Hayes. My Dad and I talked to him a few times back when I used to go the WSBK races in Utah. Class guy  :up: